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I would have liked to add to this list but with the ANKC Anatolian Shepherd / Kangal fiasco decided not to breed.

On 10/5/2018 at 5:56 PM, asal said:

Yep.
 

My bitch Stood for servicing for 4 days from the 4th day it was 64 days ago she has enlarged breast tho not full of milk (can't expel any) she has refused food for 4days now she is always digging around in her whelping box but her vulva isn't very enlarged I have been taking her temp it's usually upward of 38 but this morning was down to 37.6 bout 8 am then at 10am was back to 37.9 She isn't showing much at all and is trying to steal soft toys I have a vet app for tomorrow arvo but just wondering as I've never had a bitch go through one just wondering is there any way to tell if she is having a false pregnancy she has had clear discharge practically all the time for about a week but other than these no signs of labour is it possible that she is only having 1or 2 pups or is it a phantom just looking for thought and maybe some advice she is otherwise very clingy atm and always licking me and the furniture

No there is no way for you to tell.

You should take her to the vet.

Hope the outcome is good.

Might be, there are 2 or 3 puppies that are dead inside.

Godspeed to the vet!!!

It was a very cute dog but looked a handful.

Sort of looked like this one, which is coming up as a TM.

oh no totally not Anatolian :)

I'll read all the posts better next time :D:)

I saw an interesting dog yesterday and can't work out what it could be. Could be a cross obviously but I don't think so.

It was similar to a Finnish Lapphund. Black and tan and furry. Tail curled over back. But a bit bigger than a lappie and it had floppy ears that were very fluffy. Was fluffier around the face in general. Had a harder more intent look than a lappie too. I wouldn't have wanted the owner to have let go of it!

Can anyone think of a possible breed?

Rough coat Anatolian?

Hi everyone

I don't have a dog - yet - but we are at the 'seriously planning' stage. I am wondering if anyone can give me some insight.

Our youngest child is 3. We also have cats. We think that it might be folly to get a puppy, so we are thinking about a mature dog.

Based on information I have read, I have sent a couple of emails to breeders advertising dogs we are interested in with information about us and our intentions for the dog and have asked in turn about the dog (health screening and the results, if it is desexed, if it is cat/kid friendly, if it has had any training, if it has lived as a member of the family or in a kennel etc) so I know what sort of previous life the dog has had so I can decide if it will be the right dog for us.

I am curious as to why my questions aren't actually answered. As in health checks are stated as done, but no indication if they were good or bad, hip scores not provided even thought they state the dogs have hip scores or they say they 'think' the dog will be OK with cats but they don't know, or will be OK with kids if they don't make sudden movements/shout/act like kids. I am left wondering if I am oversharing about our doggy plans, or asking too many questions - except I really don't think I am. Am I expecting too much information from the breeders? Except, again, I don't think I am. If I am looking to buy a dog that is not a puppy, am I correct to think that the seller would want to answer my questions about its health and life to date? I think that given I expect the dog to be with us until my kids are grown, it isn't too much to ask about health and individual temperament so as to make sure we are all a good match. But then I second guess myself and think "well if I get a rescue dog I won't necessarily have all this information" but to be honest, I feel that the rescue dogs often seem to have far more information offered about them and their temperament than the mature dogs offered by the breeders.

So, my questions is - to those of you who sell your mature dogs - how do you like people to ask about your dog? Am I doing the right thing and just got a couple of odd replies? Is it OK to ask about health and temperament of a dog in the first email? Is it appropriate to discuss the dogs potential new life, or should I wait for you to ask me? If I ask about health tests, when should I expect to be told the results? Is that a follow on correspondence type question? Also, is it OK to ask why the dog is being sold? Or is that considered a bit rude?

Oh, and one more, if a dog has been used for stud and the breeder says he is still intact, does that mean the dog will be sold without being desexed? I thought dogs had to be desexed if not being sold to a breeder with a licence? Who is responsible for desexing the dog?

Thanks, I thought I had better check with you all because I feel like I might be doing this wrong!

I think its great you are asking all these questions, but maybe ring and ask the questions, a lot of questions take a lot of time to answer via email (ie essay), so perhaps an introductory email, and ask or suggest a convenient time to call.

:)

I am quite aware of how different purebred dog breeding is from the ideal of natural selection and randomised breeding. It is a very different animal.

If you think that closing a genepool and consistently artificially select for various traits with no new blood for generation after generation and using only a small percentage of the population to further their genes each time is a better way than mother nature figured out, maybe you need to have another look at population genetics.

population genetics facebook course seem to base a lot of the theory on plants. And not on mammals.

Purebreeding as we know it in dogs is a closed system. You cannot get back what you have lost, and there is no way of predicting which vital bits that you cant see when you select for or against certain traits are dragged along behind the scenes and just start going missing, or popping up 'unexpectedly' The closer the genepool is when you need to go 'fix' some problem, the less likelihood you have of still having enough diversity there to be able to avoid it..

Yes and no. UK Kennel club allows dogs with no pedigree to be added on to the register and so do some FCI members for some breeds.

So hypothetically one could breed 1 x breed 2, and in two or three gens (depending on the colour/cross) get the non pedigree outcross close enough to pass the appraisal system.

The limited register is the worst thing that could have happened to our breeds and is responsible for each year seeing smaller and smaller gene pools.

But can't dogs be updated at any time?

My understanding in Vic is that a dog can be upgraded from Ltd to Main at any age.

That said, I tend to put more on main reg in co-own these days.

Many of the standards were written before colour was really understood. For example Staffordshire terriers dont have solid black, as far as I know they're all brindle, but they still have classes for blacks.

Until recently I believe it said blue whippets were supposed to have black noses. As dilutes, that is impossible, they might look black, but they aren't.

In their country of origin Azawakhs can be any colour, but some standards now have restrictions on the amount of white they can have. Surely limiting things like this will limit the gene pool, and for what reason?

The Italian greyhound has different colour standards for different countries.

Anyway, I dont think you need to worry, I'm sure you know it's very hard to change standards for any reason. I think the only time it might happen is if the breed is in such danger of dying out will they consider allowing fresh blood in and by then it might be too late for some breeds anyway.

Yes the new FCI Azawakhs breed standard has dramatic changes to the amount of white allowed on a dog.

As I understand, the FCI changes prevent Azawakh from country of origin being accepted through the FCI grading system ie where dogs from country of origin without pedigree undergo judge appraisal - and those which meet the standard can be entered in the stud books. So Azawakhs with a lot of white will no longer be accepted. ie white stockings, chest etc

Try an import agent in Australia.

Some vets will also liase and do all the requirements on the client's behalf.

Monash Veterinary clinic in Victoria are great:

Speak to Melanie or Stuart.

MONASH CLINIC

I recently imported semen through Monash and they were fab

ETA: There is significant cost difference between importing a live dog and importing frozen semen in a group shipment. If the dog is young and your bitch is young, imported semen can work quite well. Just make sure you get the entire ejaculate or 4 - 5 breeding units.

The Solvit XL Deluxe telescoping ramps are on ebay for about $260 AUD

EBAY SOLVIT RAMP FOR SALE

I am looking at a ramp as well!

My concern is the width of the commercial ramps (max 50cm) - so this ramp might be an option to make:

ETA:

Beautiful GSD in the vid :)

weblink for Antoan's Schedule

and Master Handling Seminar

including Progam and Video.

Antoan Hlebarov's Handling Seminar

There is also an Anatolian Easter Picnic

& Anatolian Specialty Championship Show on Good Friday at KCC Park

~ Group 6 Trainee Judges welcome to attend.

Approx 25 Anatolians entered in the Specialty Show

and about 30 dogs at the picnic

ASDCV Inc

Anatolian Shepherd Breed Club -

based in Victoria, members australia wide

ASDCV Inc has a significant pet focus, hence our shows and events are catered to this membership.

ASDs have never been highly represented in All Breed Dog Shows, so ASDCV make events and generate interest by creating breed/club specific activities.

Anatolian Shepherd Dog Club

On Boxing day I took Puck to the vet (yes expensive after hours ) because I thought he'd perforated something by eating raw turkey legs bones. Before I rang the vet I watched him doing the prayer posture, which incidentally he does alot as a behaviour, but he was whimpering as well and that's what had me concerned. The vet just gave him a meloxicam injection and sent us home. Well Puck didn't get any better but I came to realise it wasn't his gut that is hurting, it's his neck. Every time he shakes his head he cries or if he jumps off the bed (which I'm trying to stop) he cries. I also observed his neck muscles trembling and the hair standing stiff on end on part of his neck, and it wasn't his hackles up.

So I took him back to the vets yesterday and asked for an x-ray to be done of his neck so that if I take him to an osteopath or chiropractor I can show them. The vet talked me out of it and said it wont tell me anything and I'd really need an MRI or some other test, cant remember what it's called, where they inject the dye. It would have to be done at a specialist vet and I dont have that kind of money.

While there he examined Pucks ears, took a swab and determined he has a yeast infection. I've now got 2 lots of drops I'm supposed to put in his ears twice a day, which I can easily manage as he's very compliant with things like that. The problem is he naturally wants to shake his head to get the drops out and then screams in agony because it hurts his neck. I'm worried he's going to damage his neck even more! It's already cost me just under $300 and all I've come away with is ear drops that are hurting his neck and possibly causing more damage to it.

Any suggestions as to my next move? Something that doesn't cost a fortune.

Canasten works for yeast infections in the ear, but first get Puck to allow an ear massage.

Use a 3ML syringe to apply the cream in the ear.

Does not make the dogs shake their heads like drops.

Hope Puck is on the mend soon

I've heard good things about Monsimbee also. Raennik is also another breeder that I have seen some lovely dogs from, as well as Brooksvale. There a lots of nice GSDs around, just take your time, meet the dogs and speak to the breeder.

My recommendation is to do the puppy raising program with K9 Pro ( http://www.k9protraining.com.au/ ) . I did this with my working GSD and it was amazing!

My Cooper is from Raennik :)

Looking on the Raennik site, and the life span of two of the bitches was rather poor with one passing away at 9 years of age and another at 6 years of age. My Diesel has had a score of health issues and is nearly 11 years old.

What's the average lifespan of GSD?

The Samoyede people call their dogs "bjelkier" (byel-kee-er) which translates to "white (dog) that breeds white." In Russian, the dogs are called "voinaika" which means lead or direction dog. The Samoyedes incorporated their dogs into every aspect of their daily lives and trained and depended on them year round for hunting, herding, guarding, and as sledge (sled-pulling) dogs. Their dogs were considered part of their family. They included them in meals and even brought them in to sleep (especially with the children) for warmth on cold Arctic nights. The Samoyede so trusted their dogs that they would leave them to guard their children and posessions (including their valuable reindeer) while they were out hunting.

OT question;

As Aboriginal / native Samoyed dogs were many colours, were the white dogs a strain of this hence the name?

You only need RKF information.

You can call them and they will provide their documents in English for you for a fee.

Will they?! None on their website.

At the moment I am doing what ANKC advised me to do. Getting an official translation from RKF website of the breed standard for use by ANKC.

Have you contacted the RKF?

Address: Moscow, Gostinichnaya st., 9, 5th floor

Post Address: 127106, Moscow, P.O. Box 28

common address: [email protected]

international department: [email protected]

WEBSITE IN ENGLISH:

http://www.rkf.org.ru/en/index.html?PHPSESSID=852de37f5604d7c2bcb559e44c5efa2e

They are an international organisation, and FCI documents are prepared in English.

Laika is a type of dog you cannot put in the brackets of breeding rules.

Why are you still going on about that discussion?

That's not really friendly, Alexsandr.

You sound like you are trying to put Yonjuro down.

On a forum, people are allowed to have different thoughts.

I have replied to

dotdashdot

with my opinion about Laika dogs. I think I can because I know this type of dog. I raised them and I use to hunt with them.

Besides I would never bring one to Australia it will be just simply cruel to the dog which is developed to love the snow 9 months a year and not feeling comfortable on +25C heat.

Nobody trying to put anybody down. Apologize if it sounds like. In fact I have a great respect to Yonjuro He've got a russian missus and i've got one too! I believe we both know how tough live can be! :)<br style="font-size: 9pt;">

As someone who breeds Samoyeds I don't believe that to be the case at all. The samoyeds in Australia cope extremely well with our hot climate and I don't believe they suffer in the slightest with proper care

I'm biased. But I wont send CAS to humid climate. I appreciate that a special effort can be made by the person to counteract the climate, but CAS morphology is not meant for humid, tropical areas of Aus.

You're on a vertical learning curve Aleksandr.

Many folk who import a new breed are already ANKC members and aware of the import regulations before the process starts.

Is the EES recognised in any English speaking country?

The Dog Registry of America does. But what standing would /could they have here?

None. If it had been the KC or the AKC or similar, it would possibly have been easier.

Aleksandr that fine print about "full export pedigrees" is very important.

Prefix and suffix are not required.

Mutual recognition of Pedigrees - FCI standing orders applies.

Export pedigree is whatever the country of origin issues wrt accepted as pedigree from the country of origin.

This is the ANKC Requirement:

ANKC Ltd recognises new breeds, which are recognised by the Recognised Overseas Controlling Body provided that:

That each individual dog to be re-registered is registered with a overseas Canine Control Body that is recognised by ANKC Ltd and accompanied by the original registration issued by the controlling body in the country in which the animal was last registered and by an “Export Certified/Pedigree”. (10/06, 6.1.2

You should be corresponding with the RKF Breed Club Rep.

Your dog's pedigree papers will have FCI logo on them.

You only need RKF information.

You can call them and they will provide their documents in English for you for a fee.

Great Danes and other giant breeds tend to have short lives, which veterinarians attribute to the strain that their huge bodies put on the heart and other organs.

I think it has more to do with their genetics than size.

Friends of mine have just imported the first Estrela Mountain Dog into the country :) he's lovely.

work or show cassie?

You cant have one state making up its own rules - its all under one banner - the ANKC - you may find some differences in requirements for the codes and policies re membership etc but never the registry.

:)

No steve, alas