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  1. On 24/05/2019 at 8:26 PM, FootprintsinSand said:

    Sorry but how do you know where the fish I eat come from?

    If they come from the water, they're going to have died in a way that would not be considered humane for other animals. Simple as that.

    You can get snitty about it if you want, but the fact remains that eating fish (living, breathing, feeling creatures) does not make you a vegetarian. You. Eat. Meat.

  2. On 16/05/2019 at 10:28 AM, FootprintsinSand said:

    You know we really don't have to eat animals. I have been a vegetarian (not a vegan) for seven years and my health is excellent for someone in their middle to late seventies. I do eat a lot of chick peas and lentils and I drink soy milk with calcium added. I don't eat eggs but I do eat fish once a week and I have a little milk in my coffee. I really don't need meat but unfortunately my dogs do and I have to cope with that. As some early posters have said people are eating too much meat and it is shameful to see it being thrown away. I also think people eating less meat would be better for our environment as fewer grazing animals and more growing of vegetables and legumes etc would be better for the planet.


    Sorry powerlegs we posted at the same time.

    Sorry, but you are not a vegetarian. You're eating an animal that may have been suffocated to death, crushed to death under the weight of other fish, frozen to death or otherwise caught/killed in a way that would be totally unacceptable if the animal in question was cute and furry. A fish is not a vegetable.

    The way fish are harvested (or farmed, in the case of things like salmon) is horrendously inhumane, destructive and wasteful. And if you want to talk about environmental harm, commercial fishing is responsible for a considerable amount of it.

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  3. 3 hours ago, asal said:



    this is a purebred dog forum, not a coven of dog rescues, despising breeders or anyone asking for help and advice, in case you are not aware of it?

    Huh, it's almost like you do have a thing against rescues and my point in that other thread was entirely valid.
    As an aside though, you don't have to be a dog rescuer to give a crap about animal welfare. 


    Anyway, the OP got the information they needed, so they don't really have much reason to come back :shrug: If they were actually interested in doing the right thing by the puppies, numerous suggestions were made and information/contacts given. Help and advice was given. 

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  4. 1 hour ago, sandgrubber said:

    Biosecurity is harder if you're not an island, especially if wildlife freely crosses borders and wild species are closely related to domesticated species. It'd take a substantial and uninterrupted wall to keep coyotes, raccoons, wild pigs, etc. from carrying diseases to the US from Mexico... or from the US to Canada. 

    Don't point that out to Donald Trump. All those Mexican coyotes, coming into the US and stealing the jobs of hardworking, patriotic American coyotes, it's even more reason to build a wall.


    @Two Best Dogs! I've often wondered if perhaps Australia doesn't have rabies (historically) because perhaps marsupials do not readily contract it? I recall reading that opossums in the US are the only mammal in North American not known to easily contract rabies, and the only difference between them and everything else is that they're marsupial. On a continent predominantly populated with marsupials, it'd make it hard for the virus to get much footing. Obviously though, with feral cats, foxes, wild dogs, rabbits, pigs, goats, camels, etcs, running around now, the potential pool of vectors has gotten a lot bigger. Perhaps big enough that natural sources (such as bats from nearby islands) may be sufficient for the virus to establish in northern Australia and then spread south. 

    I'd like to think that being in Tasmania would make us a bit safer but honestly, given how careless so many people are even basic biosecurity (we are literally called the Apple Isle. We have many apples.You don't need to bring 5kgs of apples from NSW in your carry-on baggage, christ), I don't think it would take long for something like rabies to spread to us through tourists who feel the need to cart their dogs with them on holidays.


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  5. 14 hours ago, Diva said:

    There was the canine influenza outbreak in the US a couple of years ago traced to Korean rescues as well as the current distemper case, and according to this Cornell article the only requirement for entry is a rabies certificate that is fairly easily forged in some countries. Dogs with rabies have been imported into the US. Bringing in dogs from different populations with vastly different disease incidence, possibly different viral strains, and vaccination status is a quite different level of biosecurity risk to moving them within the one country where populations mix all the time. The regulators in the US are as culpable as the rescues, I am so glad for this country’s strict requirements.


    Given the potential economic impact of disease outbreak (especially for zoonotics), I'm honestly surprised that the rabies certificate is the only requirement for entry. Despite the fact that North America is crawling with interesting diseases anyway (yersinia pestis in prairie dogs, prions in the deer, fun!) you'd think they'd have some quarantine period, even if only two weeks or so. 

    Australia's requirements might be more strict on paper, but enforcement seems to be very hit or miss. Not long ago, someone in the south of the state found some sort of turtle. Because of things like the Astacopsis gouldi and assorted other endangered, crunchy little creatures, turtles are banned entirely in Tasmania. Given a living creature can't be sealed up in an airtight bag for smuggling in, you'd think the sniffer dogs would have been able to detect it. But that relies on the handler getting through all the people coming off a plane, and it just doesn't happen. One handler for ~200 people is insufficient. Inadequate resources is how places like Tasmania- which should be very easy to maintain biosecurity for- are once again home to Echinococcus granulosus. Millions of dollars were spent on eradicating a terrible parasite, but underfunded biosecurity allowed it to return. Eventually, some human will get unlucky and catch themselves a case of worms in the brain or heart, and then the public will demand to know why it failed. The same public that will fight like hell to fund an AFL football team to play in Tasmania, have zero interest in supporting BT and will even purposely break containment zones for things like fruitfly, all while complaining about BT and the terrible inconvenience of being sniffed at an airport :shrug: 

    The problem, is that many people don't understand the implications of certain things getting in. And this includes rescue groups. You have rescue groups in Tasmania, bringing dogs down from the mainland, possibly carrying hydatids or strains of parvo that we don't have. Neither of those things sound that serious but the hydatids can and will kill humans. There is no malice intended (of course) but it's a lack of education. If governments put more funding in enforcing biosecurity, and also into educating the public about the risks, I'm sure the average person would comply, once they understood the reasoning behind it. And this applies to the US, too. If one or two major groups aren't doing the right thing, many smaller groups will follow, assuming it is the legitimate way of doing things. Education is the cheapest and most effective means of improving biosecurity. And let's be honest, asal's post was never really about biosecurity anyway. It was about her own issue with the RSPCA and any group she perceives to be animal rights or welfare.

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  6. I couldn't say whether or not proper vaccination/quarantine happens because I don't know the details for the groups involved. That said, given it is the law in the US that dogs be vaccinated at least for rabies, I have to assume certain requirements must be met on import? 

    I don't see it as being much different to moving dogs around interstate within Australia- there is still the risk of undiagnosed/incubating disease, and perhaps even more so because there is virtually nothing in place for movement of dogs between states of Australia. The only real exception is Tasmania and hydatids, but even that can be lax, depending on how the dog enters the state. Distemper and parvo still exist here (distemper was diagnosed in the south of Tasmania earlier this year, from memory) and with some groups/people starting to drift away from the practice of  prophylactically worming/flea treating dogs (only treating when infestation is so severe that it is immediately obvious), disease and parasites will spread locally. Poor practices are poor practices, regardless of how far the animal is travelling. 

    One case of distemper does not confirm overall poor practices, nor does one photo of improper transport. It's no different to the photos from Storybook, they were terrible but they weren't indicative of the care provided by the average rescue group. I'll reserve judgement of individual groups and their importation/transport practices until actual evidence is brought forward.

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  7. 19 hours ago, Little Gifts said:

    I have a friend in the US whose sister fosters dogs. They are in Washington and her fosters are often large breed dogs 'saved' from poorer European areas. I just saw it as them providing a rescue service to areas that had none. All it takes is someone with connections in a European city. I know the same happens with the UK because of how freely the English travel throughout Europe. Quarantine laws are also very different.

    This. My aunt is currently living/working in Kazakhstan and the situation for street dogs there is terrible. Recently, she posted pictures of two stray dogs she'd been feeding, both dogs had newborn litters in a nearby culvert. Only a few days after birth, most of those poor babies are already dead. Any survivors will face a short, brutal life on the streets. If they are impounded, they may die immediately due to horrendous care conditions and if they survive that, no one wants to own mongrel dogs, and so they will be killed anyway. In some of these countries, things like humane societies simply don't exist. For the dogs who live there, there is no possibility of salvation. 

    If those dogs can be helped by removing them to countries where they could be rehomed, provided the proper procedures are in place, why not? 


    Below is a photo of "Mummy", one of the strays. My aunt and some local children have been caring for these dogs as best they can, there is simply no other help available. Despite being a stray, Mummy allows humans to handle her remaining puppy and would likely make a good companion for someone. But because of people like Asal, people who hate welfare groups so vigorously that they'll go as far as to attack rescue groups, dogs like Mummy will live and die on the streets.


    Asal, I'm trying so hard to be tolerant of you and your issues, but this is not the first time you have purposely gone after rescue groups. You don't consider the harm you do to rescue (or to the animals they help) because you are selfishly obsessed with your own experience of the RSPCA. YOU had a bad experience, but that does not negate the immeasurable help some of these groups provide for animals.


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  8. 22 hours ago, Loving my Oldies said:

    I have given up on Rose Hip Vital.  The dogs don’t like it and I had to hide it in so much food, Mezza gained nearly 300grams :( :(.  I am now trying 4Cyte which the dogs will eat on its own and they are given only six little “bullets” of it a day.  So if anyone wants to buy one unopened 500g powder and one opened, but hardly used, make me an offer :).  I paid $100 total for them both.   

    That was pretty much the experience I had. Maybe it does work if you can get enough of it into them or have a garbage guts dog who will eat it willingly, but the taste seems to be so bad, that even a small amount mixed through peanut butter and smeared on a big slice of honey ham, it's still not palatable.

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  9. Pete Evans is crazy.

    Anyone who thinks feeding homemade bone broth to babies, instead of correctly balanced baby formula (in cases where breastfeeding isn't possible) should not be allowed to have care of children. End of story. And that one is probably the least of his crazy. The "evils" of big pharma sunscreen, the autism garbage, the scare campaign against fluoridated water, etc., etc., etc.

    Regardless of the quality- or otherwise- of the food, buying it is supporting Pete Evans in putting other peoples' health (and children) at risk.


    Then there's the hypocrisy of him being involved in kibble at all. Were paleolithic wolves eating those little brown nuggets? I'm fairly sure the answer to that is very obvious. According to him, humans should be eating this particular diet, based on prehistoric diets (because.. paleolithic people were super healthy before they died at the age of 30?) because that's natural and good and whatever. But dogs? Those things directly descended from wolves, that chase down and eat their prey raw? Nah, cook those little jerks up some brown nuggets. Oh, and bone broth, because dogs couldn't just eat actual bones or anything.


    @PANDI-GIRL No different from the Meals for Mutts owner (presumed) coming on here and chucking a tanty before getting a thread that contained criticism of their product scrubbed so clean, it was like the gestapo went through it. In either case, I saw nothing that I would have thought was legally iffy (from Troy's point of view) but I guess if someone throws enough threats around, perhaps he capitulates just for the sake of not dealing with crazy people. Understandable, really. 


    To the person who allegedly harassed CDL about her opinion... :coffee: 

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  10. 5 hours ago, ~Anne~ said:

    Writing a piece of legislation might sound easy but in truth, it’s not an easy process. Yearly inspections would require manpower and resources. I’m not sure about other states but I do know a little about how NSW companion animal legislation and governance works and there is barely enough at state or local level to support anything more than what currently exists. It’s why microchipping has such mediocre compliance too. 


    Obviously it would be just like most things related to animal welfare, people would have to lobby for it to happen and to get resources. If rescues don''t bother to have a voice in the conversation, organisations like the RSPCA will lobby, and small rescues will not come out better for it :shrug: 

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  11. 2 hours ago, Powerlegs said:

    I agree. Problem is, how do you find these 'pop-up' FB rescues?  


    We've got lots of things out there. We've got online ACNC and fundraiser licence checks, state microchip registries and reporting, dog ownership council regs & state regs, AWL & RSPCA will go out per reports, rangers will too. But nobody is working together to govern rescues in particular. It could be done with what is in place currently and wouldn't have to be so heavy that rescues couldn't operate at all. Maybe the majority of those that are running as a complete shambles could be helped if there was something concrete in place.


    I'm getting to where I trust maybe a handful of rescues. Despite some having thousands of supporters (or likers and followers), some of the stuff happening in facebook rescue makes me cringe but nobody notices what's going on amongst the 'you're an angel' posts. 

    It seems like what happened at Storybook would have been uncovered a lot sooner if someone was allowed to go there and just have a good look around.

    And you'd think.. let's say yearly inspections, wouldn't be too hard to write legislation requiring that rescue premises be inspected once a year, just to make sure everything is okay. It doesn't need to be a restrictive, cumbersome system (like legislating down to the minutiae), just basic checks to make sure everyone has adequate food, water, shelter and care, and that no one is walking around with only three and a half legs. It shouldn't be that hard to manage.

    And rescues should want this, because hell-holes like Storybook damage the reputation of rescue, as a whole.

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  12. 30 minutes ago, crazydoglady99 said:

    Um -sorry, what??  Wowee.


    It seems you* have edited your post, so who knows?


    *Or aliens.


    In all seriousness though.. claims of "unwanted attention" are pretty serious. If you're going to make a claim like that, be prepared for people to ask questions. This shady "Oh, can't name anyone, because *dundundun*" thing (which includes the business about not naming the dodgy internet diploma mill you're getting a "qualification" from. Which was weird in itself- bad enough to complain about, but won't name them in case of mysterious repercussions but also staying in the course that was bad enough to complain about? Do you see what I'm getting at here?), doesn't exactly make a lot of sense. It doesn't sound like a normal thing for someone to become the victim of "unwanted attention" over a discussion about dog food, if that attention is as serious as it was made to sound.

    Anyway. If someone was harassing you via PM:

    Step 1: Forward messages to Troy. He takes things like that seriously.

    Step 2: Polite reply to the question on this thread. "Oh, some person took offense at my comment regarding X and sent me an abusive private message."

    Step 3: Job done. 

    If the Kibble Yakuza are after you.. well, I'm afraid you're on your own there.


    From reading some of what you post, it's beginning to come across as a bit.. tin foil hat. Maybe that's not the intended tone (in fact, I'm sure it's not) but when you refuse to actually answer these sort of questions, it doesn't exactly clear anything up. And stealth editing your post actually makes it look even worse.

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  13. Not wanting to sound snarky, but if you're going to claim that you're receiving "unwanted attention", you really need to be willing to back that up with some actual details, rather than posting vague, mysterious warnings and then disappearing dramatically (presumably to pack a few things for a new life on the run, barely one step ahead of Big Pet Food, who have presumably sent out the Kibble Yakuza to assassinate some random person over their opinions on dog food, on a forum)


    If you're not willing to actually say what the unwanted attention was, I'm going to have to assume the material-anti-locational antenna on your tin foil hat needs adjusting.

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  14. 1 hour ago, ~Anne~ said:

    To be fair to PR, it’s a different contact name. Perhaps the woman charged was one of several in the group, or a carer for the group only.

    She was the founder of the group. And I'd be willing to bet money that whoever is named as the new contact for PR, is someone very close to her. 

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  15. 8 minutes ago, PANDI-GIRL said:

    @Maddy are you talking about the fellow with the pointer pup & then his adult dog was killed on the train line & he wanted a new pup same day it happened!

    I saw he got quite nasty

    Nope. Troy has heavily pruned some of the threads that that person was involved in, or deleted them entirely. The one about vets and mental health/suicide got nuked completely because of the revolting things Charbearsma was saying. It started out as merely inappropriate- Charsbearsma saying that s/he didn't think vets had a particularly hard job- and when people called her/him out for being so dismissive of legitimate mental health concerns, the person decided to just lash out with personal attacks, accusing other people of being crazy, etc.

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  16. 19 hours ago, PANDI-GIRL said:

    @Ricky2   Your doing a good job of feeding so many nutritious foods,  your dog is lucky you care so much


    Hey everyone where did  Labrador owner  Charbearsmum  go  she would love talking with Ricky about their dogs

    If Troy didn't ban him/her for their inappropriate and very aggressive posts, then I'd have to assume they've left of their own accord.

    Having said that, I did notice they changed their username. Maybe hoping people wouldn't associate the new name with the absolutely disgusting things they had to say :shrug: 

  17. 14 hours ago, Loving my Oldies said:

    What’s a UX designer?


    Hard to understand why you are assuming at the start of your research that there is a problem?  

    More important question is, for whom. 

    No offense random new member with one post, a non-identifying user name and a survey that does not identify where the information will end up, but it's a no from me.

    If you'd like to understand why, look into PetRescue.

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  18. 3 hours ago, sandgrubber said:

    IMO trying to solve the plastic problem by banning carry bags is as futile as trying to avoid the greenhouse problem by banning toasters.  Yes, there's a problem.  Piecemeal solutions aimed at minor parts of the problem won't work.  The non-reusable load of plastic packaging remains huge after the much re-used carry bags are banned. Can anyone recommend a user-friendly reusable poo bag? 

    Oh, I'd agree entirely. It didn't change behaviour, it just means that people mentally set aside a dollar or two to the total of their grocery bill to cover the added cost of the bags. I don't know anyone who actually remembers to re-use the bags as shopping bags. We re-use them as bin bags and occasionally as bags to transport stuff, but that's mostly so we don't end up drowning in them. The new bags are just not that magically useful because they have the word "reusable" written on them. Certainly terrible to use as poo bags because they're huge and made of very thick plastic.

    I'm pretty sure Who Gives A Crap make plant-based poo bags, that are totally compostable. I don't think I've ever seen a reusable poo bag though :vomit: (unless you mean a bag that has some other use first, and is then reused as a poo bag?)

  19. 14 minutes ago, CharbearsMa said:

    I was outside the park with dog in tow sussing it out at the time if that makes it any better, we’d just happened upon it, it honestly looked like a skate park more than a dog park. 

    I promise I haven’t taken a poo bag since! Although, we don’t even sell plastic bags in lots of stores here, so even if I made off with the whole roll, it’s still not as *that person* level as it sounds ;)

    Tasmania has been single-use plastic bag free for years (I can still remember my last trip to Victoria, and the awe of being bestowed a flimsy grey bag at a Coles supermarket. Magic.) and yeah, it's a problem. The bags I linked to are absurdly cheap, very big, black (rather than transparent), sturdy and have handles. It's a shame to not be able to re-use a shopping bag, but on the other hand, Tasmanians also pay for the reusable shopping bags from Coles/Woolworths (usually 15c each) because unlike other states, we didn't demand free bags. What that means though, is that 4c poo bags are actually the cheaper option. And unlike the new shopping bags, intended for single use. Even if you're getting free reusable shopping bags, they're still less environmentally friendly than a bag made for the job.


  20. 20 hours ago, CharbearsMa said:

    I will go to the dog park - alone, purely for the purpose of getting poop bags for when I walk bubs other places (hey, my tax dollars pay for those! Lol).

    Don't be that guy.

    It's people with the "But I pay taxes/rates/rego so I should be able to take a bunch of bags for use elsewhere" mindset that mean the holders are always empty for people who are actually using the park. These bags are 4 cents each. And that's if you order the smaller amount. You can get 2,250 bags for $70. Assuming two poos a day, that's just over three YEARS worth for $70. And as an added bonus, you won't be the person who steals poo bags.

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  21. 16 hours ago, HunterDoggy said:

    I appreciate everyones comments and I have read them all but I think for now we will just have to continue how we are and wait until our next appointment with the behaviourist. It is a very hard and stressful situation and I live with it everyday. It’s hard to explain to people online to make them understand the situation so I think it’s best I just don’t post about it anymore as it just causes me more stress. Thanks for your comments. If you wish to write more replies then feel free but I don’t think I’ll be back to reply. Thanks.

    HD, I've had some extremely resource possessive foster dogs and I can absolutely understand your stress. 

    Managing dogs like that is NOT simple. It's stressful, it's constant and one slip can result in someone getting hurt, so there is always that underlying fear of something going badly wrong, even after considerable work on the problem. 

    Personally, I found a covered crate to be the best way to keep them a bit calmer. Dog and food go in the crate, cover is one with just the front panel open, dog doesn't get let out until they've definitely finished. On top of this, crate was placed in a corner, to limit the directions of approach by people/other dogs. This means the dog only really has one direction to watch and they feel a bit safer*. The other advantage of the crate is that it gives you a safe barrier for training. The idea is that the dog can gradually learn that people/other dogs near their food = better food and/or treats. Pick his highest value food/treat and use that to help him associate your presence near his bowl with delicious treats. It can be a very slow, frustrating process, but if you have good training help, you're already ahead. 


    *Should point out that this area needs to be tightly managed, so that people/other dogs aren't just wandering past. The crate should be his safe little cave, not a trap that allows his competition to "corner" him.

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  22. 12 hours ago, asal said:

    since bigD seems to have disappeared, talking about how our govt has handed the "care" of our native area's over to uni deg know nothing greenies if our local one is any instance, instead of indigenous people who actually do know how to keep the bush safe from the red steer, compared to past management practice is fair game.


    the mess the raaf base is in now is a disgrace... thanks to the wildfire all the parrot breeding trees were destroyed so four species breeding freely before are gone, all noted she didn't bother to apply for breeding boxes be introduced to replace what was lost.

    The previous management of the Frazer Island dingo's meant they were not starving like they are now and if the tourists are allowed to go there and they are part of the attractions, then you cant have it both ways.


    heard a  greenie story decades ago,  the one where there had been a demonstration in a forest and a greenie climbed a tree, at some stage getting back down acquired a number of splinters in an intimate area. 

    Presenting at the local doctor to get them removed, to be told,  "Sorry, It is against my principles, I cant remove native timber  from a recreation area."



    Asal, my patience with you has reached an end. Not everyone wants to constantly hear about your obsession with the RSPCA. Thistle made you a thread, stop railroading completely unrelated topics.

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