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  1. http://www.mdba.net.au/membership/becoming-a-member/breeders.html We start there and then take a quiet poke around to see if anything turns up that we might want to know to make an educated decision
  2. Yes I understand that is your perception and that some from the purebred pedigreed dog world don't see it as we do. We have been offering foundation services to the Australian Cobberdogs now for five years and our public trust is doing just fine. So far everyone is happy with their breeders and their dogs and membership is climbing at a great rate. I don't feel that the attitude to the MDBA has changed over all since the Australian Cobberdog came in. We have always been beaten up and that escalated with the pedigreed dog people when we introduced our registry.It just gave them something that has little foundation to it to use when they want to beat us up. Take a good look - Mita is upset her Tibby people might be with us because only the ANKC could do it right and of course there couldn't be anyone other than them that could - there will always be people who feel there should only ever be one and never any competition for them. That's all O.K. we never expected to appeal to everyone or not to cop the flak. The AKC has a huge Foundation stud service and that hasn't prevented them from attaining their goals and I can't see why in the real world people are still going on about us allowing breeds in development to use our stud registry services it to be honest.
  3. Yes we do have them in our registry and if the breeders wanted to advertise that they would do so.The website is where breeders can advertise if they want to - obviously as we have over 2000 active breeder members most don't advertise all the time and some only advertise in our directory when they actually have puppies for sale. We don't happen to agree that the current system of public showing is the best option for evaluating how a dog stacks up against a standard or of evaluating its fitness for purpose and we are not alone in that as is well evidenced world wide. We have our own ideas on preferable methods of estimating breeding values and how that will be done is soon to be launched. If you are suggesting that MDBA breeder members don't understand and actively socialise their babies and they are somehow less likely to do this than an ANKC breeder that is ridiculous and is way off reality. We know before they get in that they put a high emphasis on such things and that their puppies are well prepared for their new homes. Here's a red hot alert too the MDBA is and always has been consistent in advocating against breeding to extremes and lots of people like what we are doing including some Tibetan S people.
  4. Cant see the general public has an issue with it and the Australian Cobberdog breeders are in high demand.
  5. There are no listings for Labradoodles in the breeder directory and the directory is where breeders can advertise if they want to. It isnt any indication of membership. Wouldn't matter if we had a foundation registry or not some people would still say negative against what we do as they were doing even before we ever registered our first dog and I don't see any negative impacts for us or our members for having allowed the Australian Cobberdogs into our foundation registry. We believe what we do is what is best for the dogs and that's what we have based our decisions on. I expect the replies here and on other ANKC biased places to bag us out but there is a whole other world and it doesnt stop us from being able to defend what we do.
  6. The Australian Cobberdogs are not in the stud registry - they are in the foundation registry as they are developing a new breed. This means they are doing everything a purebred breeder does except that as yet they have not reached the criteria required for the breed to be considered a breed in its own right. That isn't the same as having people who are breeding crossbreeds. and it is allowing them to use our resources and accountability processes to ensure it is what is best for the dogs and the people who take them into their homes. the ANKC lists their criteria for a new breed to be recognised and part of that is that the breed club needs to keep stud books for a couple of decades.We simply keep the stud books for them earlier than when they are recognised. Most other canine registries in the world have a foundation stud book service. The MDBA has breeders in almost 100 different breeds so far and more are coming in daily. In some breeds I would say we have around the same number as that breed with the ANKC and in a couple we would have more. So depending on what breed you are looking for it may be a better chance of finding a suitable puppy from an MDBA breeder member these days. Though they cant advertise on dogzonline you will see them all over the place.
  7. If they are MDBA members they have third party accountability and they are screened before they come in and we have a great system which enables us to spot any potential problems and act on them. Anyone that purchases a puppy from an MDBA member gets free membership and we build relationships with them and they are encouraged to tell us the good and the bad and share with all of us their journey as their puppy grows and lives with them. All MDBA breeder members promise to put the health and welfare of their dogs over any other goal such as ribbons or money or fame. We care most about how they care for and feel about their dogs in the belief that if they love them they wont allow them to live in 6 inches of frozen poo or make decisions in their breeding programs which compromise on the health and welfare or them or their puppies. there is no test for this so we take a hard look and get to know them all personally. We judge our breeders based on feedback from their puppy buyers, among other things, and not from how many awards their dogs have. I am proud to have every one of them as our members.
  8. In 14 years there have been 7 dogs allowed to be used which were on limited register and most with the permission of the breeder. No one just gets to use a limited register dog without explaining why or without approval from the breeder. We are not obliged to do that but we ensure the dog that comes in should not be eliminated without checking for health and welfare issues. Perhaps you should take a look at how many dogs have been upgraded to the main register without the breeder's approval by the groups who actually have that as their rules. Limited register is not always used by the breeder because they think the dog should not be bred from and most often its the breeders who want them to be registered with the MDBA. We register dogs in 19 different countries and its not up to us to race around and work out what other registries have as their rules in this country or any other and for us to police their rules for them! We have a beautiful system which doesn't entail limited register papers that prevents dogs sold as pets being used to breed papered puppies so if the limited register in Australia is not providing their members the same protection its hardly reasonable to expect that the MDBA would do it for them - when they wouldn't do a single thing to help us police our rules and regs and whats more no one would expect that they would or should. Bit nutty really to expect we would do more to protect their members and their rules than they do.
  9. Who don't follow ANY ethics? Hence encouraging breeding for the wrong reason? Define wrong? Is breeding with a focus on the health and welfare of a dog the wrong reason? Because that is the only thing our members are encouraged to do and as far as I know that is all that they do. We allow any puppy to be advertised which has been bred by one of our members who follow our ethics and because they are not necessarily eliminating a dog that is healthy, and well temperamented that is an asset to the gene pool because it is a colour that is not recognised in the show standard they have better and more options to ensure their puppies are as healthy and happy as they can be. In every other country except New Zealand colours which cannot be shown and are not linked to health issues are still able to be bred with. if any don't follow our ethics we have a complaints process and we don't muck around with fines as the ANKC does when someone breaches their ethics.
  10. Well actually we do check every person who wants to join and we do know much more about any breeder coming in than the ANKC knows about their members because we have a huge focus on the people and we do screen them before they get in and we have several systems in place which are very effective at keeping an eye on what they are doing. We also believe that if you focus on the way the breeder feels about their dogs they are less likely to get into trouble with welfare issues and with or without complaints they have us in their hair. The MDBA wasn't set up because we were not happy with ANKC rules at all in fact the original purpose was to work with them as a complementary service. These days the registry is run a little differently based on advice we obtained from a multitude of experts and advisors and is more like how other countries are managing their registrations. Australia and New Zealand are the only countries in the world who have a limited register and most other countries have a foundation stud book that people can use if they are developing new breeds. Being a member of any group is no recommendation in itself including of course dogzonline however because you have made that comment personal to me - For the record though I'm not sure why it matters I was ONE of the founders of the MDBA and I've personally met thousands of members of Dogzonline and dozens of them have been to my home,several have stayed with me and my family and I usually chat to at least a couple of members of dogz every single day and have done so for over more than a decade. Some I met here are my business partners and have been for years and are my most trusted friends. So I'm more exposed than anyone else who comes here. When we talk about the ANKC I don't ever see anyone speaking about one of the founders of the group or any individual president CEO or board member and having to warn people they be not true. Bit rough.
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  12. Council cant insist on anything that is not state legislation and I've never heard of a single person anywhere in Australia that has actually been fined for not desexing their dog. They may have to pay a higher fee but forcing people to desex their dogs, their property - nup.
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