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Diet is ideal for "pushing " the glands but some dogs need them emptying .
The hair could be sticking it his bum too 

14 hours ago, tdierikx said:

I read the $1800 as being the original $1500 purchase price plus $300 in the week the OP had her. She mentions that the pup required a vaccination, so you can chalk up a good $150 or more on that, depending on which vaccination was given - I think a C5 sits around that price nowadays. The rest could have included various types of other foods the OP tried to feed said pup. There is no mention of worming/flea/tick treatments, but I'm sure the vet probably at least suggested that when doing the vaccination.

 

Regardless any possible "ignorance" on the part of the OP in dealing with this fussy pup, there is no excuse for the breeder or the third party Vicki being downright nasty in some of their messages to her. By all accounts, the pup arrived refusing to eat even the diet provided by the breeder, and the OP made all efforts to find a way to tempt her to eat to no avail, and also sought veterinary advice on the matter... so I would say that she gave her best effort at least, and deserves a little more respect/leeway than she has been given.

 

At this point, the breeder now has both the purchase price AND the pup (and seemingly all the "power")... and the OP is just seeking help to resolve that, as she has neither for her effort/outlay.

 

T.

He said she said which is why no sides should be taken & proof by BOTH parties .
But a breeder if their contract is there does not have to refund asap & can take expenses out if need be & the balance returned & again proof required .
The breeder in the OP words offered a solution ,A new pup & has said return of money on sale which again makes it obvious the OP didnt hand the pup back to see if it would eat as thats not something one would discuss unless returning the dog .

OP in there schedule didnt have pup vaccinated with her Day 5 vet no mention of vaccination .
Im gathering the pup stayed longer with the breeder & required its vaccination irrespective 

No one can answer as it requires both sides story .
You would need to contact the body that deals with goods & services issues in your state .

As for being $1800 out of pocket i would suggest thats not an accurate amount on necessary requirements & your would have to prove all costs if that topic is brought up .I mean no puppy needs 4 outfits & i truly hope you werent dressing this pup up in the 7 days you had it as that would totally overwhelm any new puppy settling in to a new home & routine 
No way would 7 days get to that amount .
Generally speaking a breeder may not offer a full refund that would be based on their sales contract but in this situation we wouldnt straight away & the reason why .
You are returning a dog that for all intents & purposes hasnt eaten for 7 days so would require a vet consult irrespective if you have been to a vet.
Once a vet report was done a copy would be sent to the current owner 
I think based on your heading & the fact you state you returned all the items the breeder would be under the impression you no longer want the dog ,that is how i read the post & then you decided to change your mind ,if not this reads total confusion & i understand why the breeder has decided moving forward what is in the dogs best interest based on i gather many messages .
Before even considering rehoming the dog it would need from the breeder a full vet check ,the dog may require retraining .
Im not taking sides But puppies have been returned to breeders in not the same condition it left even after a week.
Breeders may then refund what expenses have been taken out & again the breeder would have to prove they are necessary .

I would likely say posting all the details on here is not the smartest thing to do especially as the breeder most likely will have been informed & made a copy so anything posted here would be part of any claim if you went down that path .
 

Your Sate bodies website is full of information .
You will get your journal & you start entering shows .
Highly recommend doing some handling classes & going to watch shows & your breeder should have informed all about this 

A dog shouldnt suffer to appease our emotions or inability to to give it its wings & the gift of dignity  & no longer suffering .
 

Well you would need to contact Dapple breeders of the correct colour &  hope like hell its not a double dapple breeding .
As many who breed solely  for Dapples often forgo many important requirements then you would need to do your homework.
I very much doubt your going to find such an ethical breeding just asking in a forum   

Im going to be that person who says i dont particularly value a vets knowledge on pedigrees & breeding as most know except from what comes out of a book have no great knowledge to hand over .
Vets have no idea who individual dogs are in pedigrees or what value ,faults they contribute .No vet unless an amazing breeder will give "special " knowledge they dont actually know themselves & i can safely say as someone who has used repo vets not one of them has knowledge on my dogs pedigrees .
Being a repo vet doesnt equate to knowing about breeding .
Im going to say GOOD Breeders are who the vets contact to learn from .
Over the years even as a breeder & having buyers contact us regarding some total rubbish their vet has told them you will find many in the know have the same thing .
Vet doesnt equate to a ethical/moral breeder .
Infact in my breed the worse puppy farmers are vets .

But im going to say this post screams No knowledge what so ever & red flags plus a whole lot of nothing plus the biggest red flag when someone claims so much knowledge & supposedly had litters and not knowing the correct name of a breed . 

We Titer test our adults & would never ever give a 12 month injection for Heartworm .
We dont treat for heartworm anyway but i appreciate different areas are higher risk .
 

Unless your going to disinfect EVERY item you took out its a waste of time .
Taking shoes off okay maybe BUT never done it in near 40 yrs of owning dogs.
You would then need to dunk your bags,car tyres etc etc .
Preventation vaccinate or titer test .
Most people wait too long to seek a vet for parvo so dog dies before treatment or it has progressed to far .
The smell alone is enough for parvo  when you have experienced it .
I can safely tell the difference between parvo & say colitis but parvo is its own special thing .
Coomon sense but you cant bubble wrap everything 

All dogs will be different like people .
Has her Thyroid levels been checked as that can cause seizure issues .
The other obvious is the seizures may be a result of something more in the brain especially if things are changing 

How long is the gap ??
One of the biggest issue creators is when people take the pup to work & dont teach it self independence at home & then all of a sudden its left home & doesnt know how to cope .
Make sure your not going to create confusion to what its next stage routime is going to be especially coming into winter .
As to the work set up thats going to be based on the kind of area,ability to get outside to toilet,what its temp is like in coping with a different environment,if it will bark etc .
But obviously a puppy pen to allow it safe freedom ,toys to amuse itself 

8 hours ago, Ramesh said:

The recommended breeding schedule for a bitch generally follows these guidelines:

 

Age

First Breeding: Ideally, wait until the bitch is at least 2 years old and has had two to three estrous cycles to ensure she is physically and mentally mature.

Frequency

Breeding Frequency: It's generally recommended to breed a bitch no more than once a year. Allowing a full heat cycle (estrus) to pass without breeding helps ensure she maintains good health and adequate recovery time.

Health Checks

Pre-Breeding Health Checks: Ensure the bitch is in good health, up-to-date on vaccinations, and has been screened for genetic conditions pertinent to her breed.
Veterinary Consultation: Regular veterinary check-ups before, during, and after breeding are crucial to monitor her health and the health of the puppies.

Retirement

Breeding Limit: Most experts recommend retiring a bitch from breeding by 6 years of age, although this can vary based on her health and breed-specific considerations.
Ethical Considerations

Responsible Breeding: Always follow ethical breeding practices to ensure the well-being of the bitch and her puppies. This includes considering genetic diversity, avoiding overbreeding, and providing a safe and healthy environment.

By adhering to these guidelines, you can help ensure the health and well-being of the breeding bitch and her offspring.

Your replying to so many old posts & the above answers arent correct if they belong to an org & The State laws
Some states have breeding age restrictions it may be advisable to learn more 

Daco is the SA microchip database that any dog or cat is legally meant to be on & the registered breeder number is listed .
Its not a guarantee of anything but meeting the SA requirements .
Details easy to check 

Here is the issue Honeyhound you dont actually know what that detail is so trying to to discuss stuff with this person isn't going to get you anywhere if you don't actually understand what the various things mean yourself .

4 hours ago, HoneyHound said:

Sorry, just to clarify.  You know many breeders who's DNA swabs haven't dried and they then bred from the dog without any DNA results.  As this is what this person has done.

For starters DNA tests vary .
DogsQLD require parentage testing ,no other state does at present .
Not all breeds have mandatory testing to register a litter in DogsAustralia .What other orgs require i have no idea 
Breeds that must have testing are listed on DogsAustralia such as hips/elbows etc  mind you there is no cut off with what a breeding score is .
Each State also has State Govt laws so for Example the Govt laws in Victoria is very specific about breeding hereditary issues & that applies to anyone breeding under any org  .So anyone breeding in Vic with a breeders License again no matter what org their using has to also meet State govt laws 
So it would have to be clearly written in this breeders state laws about what is what .
It is certainly not listed in the same manner in my State Govt law.
Just checked SA State Gov laws on breeding & there not very strict at all just like ours a few lines of blah blah .
If they have breached rules then report them if there listed under probation for the RBPA then nothing will be done as i do know of a breeder issue with that org here so they where not upgraded to full 
So DNA testing is like an open book & what has to be & what doesnt & what a good breeder does .
DogsVic is bringing in parentage & some breeds will require DNA results for breeding purposes which is a very interesting can of worms for AI breedings of old semen that may not be fully tested or able to be tested ,
Orivet has had many failed swabs .Obviously people wouldnt bred with a dog if you didnt have clear by parentage results which PRA can be  but again this would be based on the breeder in question & their morals & ethics 
Again im not taking sides but i cant not read from whats there a black n white answer without asking correct questions & seeing the health results of the grandparents in relation to the sire & dam .
I can actually tell you far too many breeders under the varying orgs have no idea how to explain DNA tests results & some think certain panels tests mean all is good & infact havent tested for issues that are important so hence DNA testing is like an Open book & actually reading whats infront of you .
I know in my breed some of the breeders where just getting a general panel test which was full of useless stuff but not doing the tests that arent listed in a panel  bundle .
Alot of breeders in my breed claim PRA clear but thats incorrect as we can only test for sector 1 without the other sector we cant not claim fully  PRA clear .They are still researching at the Bakers institue .
Laboklin is probaly one of the most advanced testing places that covers many of the issues most dont .
So for some breeds orivet doesnt cover every issue as breeders we may have to use 2 diagnostic places even 3 .
DNA testing is not that simple so actually asking questions & knowing whats what is a very interesting world 
What they may have written could be truthful by knowing what the grandparents results are again it would require a correct conversation to know what has or hasnt been tested including hips/elbows which havent been mentioned .



 

16 minutes ago, HoneyHound said:

The proof is in their written messages.  The breeder got her breeding stock from dogsNSW members during Covid who sold them without any papers and another with claimed papers.  This person who is not a dogsNSW member got her breeding stock from dogsNSW members.  

Where does it say DogsNSW member ??
Maybe i missing that exact wording .

It says got her dogs from 2 NSW breeders .
They could from any of the various registers .
If you can highlight the DogsNSW part it would be great .
Again im not supporting anyone just if people are going to do these posts lets make sure its clearly listed 

1 hour ago, coneye said:

I think Honeyhound is just pointing out , the lies and deception that some breeders will go to ,  this paticular person i would'nt call a breeder , but still theres some  for want of a better word , proper breeders out there , who's only concern is the dollar , the dogs  come second and thats A FACT .

Rarely does someone join a forum & the first post like this one .
I dont take anyones word without proof to back up the he said ,she said .
There is always 3 sides to a story his,hers & the truth 
The posts gets stuff added but no actual facts .
Anyone who has dealt with orivet knows the problems Many ethical breeders have had multi failed swabs ,,taking months to get results to even register litters & unable to register their puppies to meet the state laws in their state & having to wait ,retest many opting to send blood know .
Qld folk will tell you all about the issues plus many more from around Australia especially as they have to do parentage tests.
Dogs Vic is joining the same method & people are panicking over how things will proceed next year 

We use overseas as do many others including Massey,Animal health diagnostics or Labkolin 
If both parents of dam & sire where clear then the parents are clear by parentage .
Registered breeder can still mean brought from MDBA.
No record of this breeder having a pedigree papered breeding poodle.
The dogs could have come from a MDBA breeder or the other various registries ( again i dont support the other spin off registries but we can not claim someone doesnt have a registered dog in their name when there are other registries out there  whose data base we cant access nor can we even check on the DogsAustralia page who owns a pet dog ,we can check registered litters by prefix .

I still dont get the point of the post .
The pups are insanely cheap .
They belong to a register that  are useless if you want to be part of Dogs Australia 
People will buy what they want .
If you want a papered dog go to a breeder that offers what you want 
If they have broken there state rules dob them in .
There are aspevts that can be explained but unless every aspect is there to read not bits & pieces its just another us v them post 

1 hour ago, HoneyHound said:

They are falsely advertising pedigree bloodlines and DNA clear, then admit neither is true.  Its a breach of their DACO and RPBA memberships and state consumer laws.

Unless you have the written proof to back it up its you v them still .
If you believe there's a breach then report them no point coming on to DOL .

At this point your post could have an agenda as its a weird thing to post & you only joined a few days back & this is your first postso its does ring "strange" .
And no i dont support them but if your going to bag out anyone one then you need the proof to back your claims up 

What did the vet tell you .I gather you asked?
But i would imagine its like the human version where there is a period to wait .
Besides the other obvious if he was only spayed last week he should not be allowed to even try mating her with the stitches in & that common sense after surgery protocol is followed 

Not sure what the point of your post is ??
There not claiming there DogsNSW members 
Anyone can buy 2 dogs & breed them.
There are various registries out there ,whether we agree with them or not they are legal & recognized 
There a member of an org that also caters for crossbreeds details of that group clearly listed & easily to research .

Breeding is easily allowed & dont understand how people cant grasp the concept as long as they meet there State laws you can be .
Stop the Puppy Farming bills dont stop breeding 
a breeder all clearly written for anyone to read .

As to the other aspects not going to comment as its your words not their written word 
 

The problem is people think offleash park means there dog gets to run around doing what ever,saying hello to whomever with no boundaries or contraol.
Infact offleash park is a place for an owner to allow there dog offleash have effective control & the requirement is not to have every randoms dog annoy you.
So at present your teaching your dog to do what ever it wants at the park,its a herding breed that can sometimes confuse reality & real life & at an age where its brain is learning new things .
The problem is your letting a pup make adults decisions without any foundations or skills being set up .
The dog is now showing signs of reacting to a degree but the next age stage is either going to make or break how the dog is able to control itself & how much trouble you want to get into if it picks on the wrong dog .

Personally dog parks are  like a place for the village idiots that think its a free for all & that teaching bad dog manners  is what every has agreed too.

This dog need to  taught & not at the expense of the other dog new life skills.
The dog park every day actually offers no life enrichment,skills,boundaries or educating .
What it does teach is i get to an oval my leash is unclipped & i go do what i want .
Start walks onleash around the area teach skills ,teach good leash manners & more importantly teach being offleash is a privelage not a right including that mindset for yourself 
 

Mind you so many people hand their dogs over to uninsured /no contract pet sitters & this happens.
People who volunteer to pet sit forget they become the legal owner whilst in there care & if something goes wrong there liable .
The reason you have a written contract no matter if its a family friend,family member or some randon on a facebook breed group volunteering to watch your dog 

Phone the council .
People need to start making the rangers do their job .
But its the last place i would take my dog anyway .
Also  buy a body camera great for videoing these issues if anything does happen 

Because so many owners are thick as a brick & let their dogs just go up to any dog without thinking & without respecting their own dogs lack of manners .
To many dogs getting bullied onleash & deciding to get in first .
Sad reality but Australian dog owners do themselves no favours .
Covid can not be blamed  that excuse is just so over used ,bad leash manners was not covids fault .

Extendable leads,dog park bullying & entitled owners who think Fifi can come over saying hello without asking 

And TOO many useless dog trainers who pander to owners instead of simply laying down the future in black n white .
I do know of many owners who gave up training as trainers just seemed to suck them into a long term plan for training with no results or solutions offered .
Whilst im all for positive training saying No is not  the end of the world 
And snowflake owners who think Fifi heart will be broken if its owners grows some balls & steps up to being the owner their Dog would love to have instead of the owner they end up with 

13 hours ago, Luvapoo said:

Virgin has announced it will allow small dogs and cats on domestic flights. 

I just can't see how this will be satisfactory for those travelling without pets. 

Most parts of the world have done it successfully for years without any problems.
Australians want more for their pets then dont want when its offered /suggested .
The biggest change in mindset will be Australians learning to embrace a dog crate & as so many are anti crates .
I just wish my dogs meet the criteria  & that criteria will eliminate most pets 

And you can already fly out of Melbourne on Qatar i  think it is to Dubai with dogs in crates in the cabin but comes with requirements too .

This is nothing new just like all the people who offer to house sit friends dogs with no coverage .
Whilst in your care you are the legal owner so if the dog bites,causes damage etc etc you are liable .
Legally its very simple pay for business insurance & have a business contract .