Tempus Fugit

Another alpaca has been killed, just across the border https://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/act/another-alpaca-dies-after-mauling-by-dogs-this-time-in-sutton-20190321-p5164w.html

Anyone notice an FB post re a dog (Neo I think) that died on the Tassie ferry recently allegedly of stress induced bloat?

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2019/02/02/13/23/melbourne-news-greyhound-attack-baby-cranbourne-west

5 hours ago, Scratch said:

I find it interesting that the comments under this Australian article are full of alleged pit bull owners, when pit bull terrier/American pit bull terrier are banned ffrom importation into Australia, and any dog already here, deemed to be of that breed/type must be desexed, where the hell are they all coming from!??  I can only assume that unpaperd American Staffordshire Bull Terriers are being referred to as pit bull terriers? And falling foul of the laws? Or not!!?? 

 

https://www.k9centre.com.au/restricted-dog-breeds-in-australia/

Well there was once in import ban on German shepherd dogs, it did nothing to eradicate the breed in Australia and was eventually repealed.

For people from overseas, like Scratch, Australia, like the USA, is a federation of states and territories. The import ban is federal law since the federal government has jurisdiction over imports. Restricted breed legislation (RBL or BSL) is the province of state and territory governments to enact or not and is generally left to local government to enforce. The ACT (equivalent to US DC), for example, has no restriction on pit bulls, preferring a 'deed not breed' approach. In other states there have been some expensive (to councils) court challenges on breed identification making councils reluctant to enforce RBL. I understand BT's and crosses are popular with pig hunters as catch dogs while one hears from time to time of underground dog fighting. Surplus pups from these sources find their way into the community through ads on Gumtree.

Quite a few dog meat eating people in SE Asia agree with PETA's assertion that eating dog is no different to eating chicken or lamb.  In South Korea meat dog farmers want meat dogs classified as 'livestock'.

Early antarctic explorers ate their sled dogs when food became scarce.

You could always attend the PETA event handing out brochures encouraging people to visit the Yulin dog meat festival. The Chinese government might even give you social credits for encouraging tourism

Washup article

Lots of countries, epec eastern europe, have stray dog problems far worse than in aus.

2 hours ago, asal said:

ummm no win from any angle for this poor horse...

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155629269635216&set=gm.217846632424076&type=3&theater

 

4 hours ago, DogsAndTheMob said:

I hope so, too. From what I've read, the Guide Dog associations stringently screen clients as well as dogs. Aside from the humanitarian considerations, they have a lot of money invested in the dogs, and reputation invested in their  programs.

Many years ago in Melbourne, I saw a blind man belt his guide dog on the backside with a leash after it dragged him across a road to another dog that was barking at them from behind a fence. Some assistance dog people make it appear that the dogs will respond perfectly all of the time, like robots.

Autism anchor dogs have been around for years. The hard part is to get them to respond only to the child's carer and not walk off with the child.

On 11/9/2017 at 8:12 AM, Diva said:

I walk my dogs around the ordinary streets of Canberra. A lot. We have a problem.

 

 There is a failure of compliance, enforcement and education. That is why it has become a political issue.

 

To say that big dogs have been attacking small dogs for centuries, as a society we can't contain our dogs on our properties, and they attack when they inevitably get out is a line of argument that leads to the conclusion that small dogs cannot be walked on the streets with a reasonable expectation of safety unless big dogs are banned. I don't accept that. It assumes only small dogs are getting attacked. As a big dog owner I know that isn't true. It also ignores the willingness of the dogs in the reported attack to turn on the human to the extent they did - that isn't just dog on dog prey drive.

 

I just hope new legislation is well designed and I sn't seen as a cure in itself. It needs to target the irresponsible owners hard and it needs resourcing.

 

If I saw a dogcatcher patrolling my suburb I would break out the champagne.

 

 

 

The new legislation doesn't seem to have solved the problem:  https://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/act/almost-220-dog-attacks-in-horror-five-months-for-act-20180706-p4zq0g.html

There seem to be many straying dogs at any given time going by the Canberra Lost Pets facebook page.

ABC report. Words fail me.

14 hours ago, karen15 said:

Would be interested to know what their definition of hunting is. One would assume hunting includes retrieving dogs?

This is from the existing NSW Companion Animals Act:

COMPANION ANIMALS ACT 1998 - SECT 33

Meaning of "dangerous"

33 MEANING OF "DANGEROUS"

(1) For the purposes of this Act, a dog is 
"dangerous" if it:

(a) has, without provocation, attacked or killed a person or animal (other than vermin), or

(b) has, without provocation, repeatedly threatened to attack or repeatedly chased a person or animal (other than vermin), or

(d) is kept or used for the purposes of hunting.

(2) A dog is not, for the purposes of subsection (1) (d), to be regarded as being kept or used for the purposes of hunting if it is used only to locate, flush, point or retrieve birds or vermin. 
"Vermin" for the purposes of this subsection includes small pest animals only (such as rodents).

Note : If a hunting dog is declared to be a dangerous dog, the declaration does not necessarily mean that the dog cannot be used for the purposes of lawful hunting--see section 51 (3).

Story here

Has this thread been brought up because the Ipswich Mayor has now been charged with corruption?

An update: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/police-hunt-for-men-after-man-dog-attacked-with-machete-in-home-invasion-20180403-h0yanu.html

7 hours ago, Hyrevere said:

So far my ideas are muzzle (preventing her picking up the rocks), halti (able to turn her away from the rock) and training.  Obviously, I need a short term fix now, so suggestions on which muzzle (baskerville or jafco) to get would be appreciated.  Also, any suggestions on long term solutions would be appreciated. 

 

For a kelpie, you should be able find a good muzzle from a farm supplies shop, either physically or on line, rather than from suburban a pet shop. The Baskerville Ultra is more designed to stop biting than eating, while I'm not sure a Jafco provides adequate ventilation in our hot summers.

Apparently another dog belonging to SA Correctional Services has had to be euthanized: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-25/advance-dermocare-dog-food-voluntarily-recalled-megaoesophagus/9584518

On ‎4‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 10:52 AM, Dame Danny's Darling said:

W.H.A.T.  ???   How on earth do stories like this get so skewed?  As if the community wouldn’t be traumatised enough.  If this tragedy has been misreported, then someone needs more than a big kick up the backside.   

 

 

Well now there's been another attack in Melbourne and the media is howling.  http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/kids/its-time-to-ban-dangerous-dogs/news-story/f9f662204dac7f9c5eadf1915dc75ca0.

There is actually an existing dog walk social group in Canberra.

Council staff recommend the green light for dog breeding facility at Fosters Valley

Let's hope it's a good year for dogs in China!

Unless Chinese activists can persuade their government to pass better animal welfare laws I doubt much will change.

Dogs will still be slaughtered for human consumption;

Dog fighting is legal in China (although gambling on a dog fight is not);

Dogs are still used as draught animals (poor man's horse) e.g. the so-called "rickshaw dogs". Also, this time of year, around Harbin in north-east china a tourist attraction is a ride in a one-dog open sleigh:

The way insurance works is that a many people contribute to a pot of money (premiums) from which hopefully  fewer people make lower claims from the money pot than what goes in. Up until last year, most of our premiums were going to Allianz, as underwriters for Petplan. Then Petplan decided to change underwriter to the Lloyds MS Amlin syndicate. My guess is that Amjlin saw us people with middle-aged dogs as a high risk and since they hadn't been getting premiums from us from when we first took out the policies (they were pocketed by Allianz) they have sent us a price signal that we should either get off their books or pay a catch-up premium so that we end up paying them what we would have paid them had they been the underwriters from the time we first took out the policies.

For me, I decided to get off their books and take out insurance with a competitor since not only was I faced with a doubling of my premium but Petplan/ Amlin have also introduced  an age related co-payment on top of the normal excess that kicks in once the dog reaches 8 years old. I realise I will have wear the pre-existing conditions with the new insurer but hopefully the premiums will stay low enough that I can at least partially self insure but at least have some insurance for accidents.

One of the reasons compulsory microchipping was brought in.

4 hours ago, Malamum said:

Apologies, I noted that mention but I missed the link.

 

Now what I've read that section I'm inclined to say that she has interpreted section 56 differently to how I would.     To me that says you must notify the council of any of those thing when the dog is already subjected to an order, not if any of those things happen full stop.

 

If my understanding is incorrect does that mean we are supposed to notify the council when our dogs die?  I didn't.

 

The reason I asked the original question is that we had something similar happen many many years ago but it wasn't a kid, it was a grown drunk adult to purposely scared our dog  when he was asleep and he got bitten and this post got me thinking about that as we never notified the council. 

 

Anyway sorry to derail the thread as none of that helps your friend.

I think it would depend on the jurisdiction. In the ACT, for instance:

DOMESTIC ANIMALS ACT 2000 - SECT 50B

Obligations of keeper or carer if dog attacks

    (1)     This section applies if—

        (a)     a keeper or carer of a dog is with the dog; and

        (b)     the dog attacks a person or a person's animal (the affected person ).

    (2)     The keeper or carer must, if asked by the affected person, give the affected person—

        (a)     reasonable assistance as requested; and

        (b)     the keeper or carer's name, address and contact details.

Maximum penalty: 50 penalty units.

    (3)     If the attack caused serious injury to a person or animal, the keeper or carer must tell the registrar about the attack as soon as practicable after the attack.

Maximum penalty: 50 penalty units.

Elsewhere in the legislation it is a defence from prosecution if the person or animal provoked the dog.

Well, in Russia up until very recently there was still a lot of live baiting of 'pest' species going on. You could take your dog to a 'baiting station' where for a fee you could have your husky bait a chained bear or have your terrier chase a fox around an artificial sett. Some US states had a similar practice known as coyote and fox pens.

53 minutes ago, DogsAndTheMob said:

I think too many people love having someone/something to hate.

My biggest hassle with foxes is that my dog loves to chase them, which can be problematic as my local unfenced off-lead exercise is bounded by busy roads. They also tend to pop up when I am doing tracking training.

Here is what one person in the US uses to stop coyotes taking his pet dog:

This is an often repeated scenario, especially in summer. Rellies, friends come over for a barbie or pool party bringing along their boisterous, screaming children; dog gets exited, startled, toes stepped on, petted on a hotspot or sore ear, gets protective his family's children, wants yummy food a child is eating, gets protective of his territory because he/ she is chained up in a corner of the yard etc. Result = bitten child and much acrimony