Simply Grand

I'm assuming this applies to surrenders, and means either they won't be taking any animals in from the existing wait lists or won't be adding to the wait lists for now.

10 hours ago, battycatlady said:

Wow what a fascinating discussion.  I'm not a breeder but am looking to buy a Great Dane puppy soon.  We had previously owned a merle (great dane).  Can anyone recommend a book I could read.  I'd like to be an informed purchaser.  I have tried very hard to purchase my dogs (I am 62 years old) from breeders with good reputations but I'm sure some extra knowledge would help.  I do not intend to breed dogs ever; I'm just curious about the issue.  I have been interested in this subject for a while but I'm not sure where to go for more information.  (The breeder who breeds my Burmese cats cannot breed a red female - only male reds - and I've often wondered why.)

 

Thanks for your time and attention.

I don't know about books but there is information online, if you google double merle genetics Great Dane you should find stuff.

I don't know Dane colours very well but basically if one parent is merle you want the other not to be. The merle gene is dominant so if a dog has a copy of it from one parent it will be merle. So a healthy merle dog should have one copy of the merle gene and one copy of a non-merle colour gene.

A non-merle dog will not have any copies of the merle gene so therefore cannot pass it on to result in the offspring ending up with two copies of the merle gene (double merle, where you get the issues).

The tricky thing is that occasionally a dog can actually have the merle gene but the visible merle area is so small that the dog appears non-merle.

If you are looking at a pedigreed purebred you can go back and look at the pedigree of the parents and grandparents to check that one of the parents in each breeding is actually non-merle.

There is plenty of research looking at breeds involved in attacks but that doesn't really tell us anything, unless ALL dogs of that breed attack and NO dogs of another breed do. Obviously there is much more involved in dog attacks than the breed.

Also, are there genuinely more attacks and are they more severe than in the past, or are they just more reported? I don't know, and it's pretty impossible to research unless accurate stats are available from the past.

Assuming there actually are more attacks though, just knowing that still doesn't give us accurate information about WHY there are. And regardless of whether there are more attacks or not, we have to deal with what we have now, so proper research into why the attacks happen would be so useful

1 hour ago, spyda62 said:

IMHO...a lot of the problem is that so many Double Merles ( especially Danes) are stunning looking dogs with their ( Ice Walker) blue eyes and lots of white coat. Often  because of their limited vision they have that shuffling walk that creates an even greater impression of a goofy oversized pup. Unscrupulous breeders are using that opportunity to gain big dollars from these pups, not caring at all about the lifetime of misery they are condemning these dogs to. 

KNOWINGLY breeding merle to merle to actually try and get those pups to then sell is really disgusting, not only subjecting the dog to a lifetime of issues but alsothe owners to a lifetime of expense and unnecessary worry  

1 hour ago, persephone said:

Puddy is a very useful teaching tool   people see him ..love his looks , until they look at his wonky eye ..and watch as he has some sound location probs ..and they see his pink skin ..and I explain about the double merle gene . (90% of them had no idea at all ..and are horrified at the thought that something which they thought of as just a 'colour' could have such far reaching effects . 
 

Absolutely! There a a huge number of double merle dogs out there that have fantastic lives despite their impairments, and so they should, and of course they don't know a life any different. They do of course often need lifetime special care, particularly for eye issues. 

Using the attention they get to educate is fantastic, I think it's definitely true that a huge number of people don't know merle to merle breeding even is problematic.

I've heard the comment quite a lot that dog attacks are becoming more frequent because of an increase in "positive, force free" training and a reluctance to "discipline" (meaning use positive punishment). I wonder if there is evidence supporting that claim. 

This came up on my FB the other day without the happy ending bit in the headline, so it was just "no one turned up" and the sad photos and I nearly cried! Even though of course I know he was fine, it just gets you right in the heart hehe

Oh dear, much anger and frustration lol. 

15 hours ago, Dogsfevr said:

The heading is Double Merle so yes stupid people I am very aware of Merle’s and what is correct and what is a time bomb 

Yeah but buyers aren't out there saying I want to buy a DOUBLE merle dog, double merles aren't being bred because there is demand from "stupid people" for them, they're being bred for the reasons Thistle said above. If breeders choose to breed double merle because they think it will give them an increased chance of more healthy merle looking puppies that people do want, then that's on them, not the buyers.

It's not stupid to want to buy a merle dog, merle is an acceptable colour in many breeds and the average joe buyer isn't going to know there is an issue with double merle breeding, or even if they are aware of it, they wouldn't necessarily know the breeding was double merle if they don't get a pedigree with the puppy,

OT I guess but I do want to add that I HAVE used kids, babies, prams etc in off leash parks as training tools for my dogs, as in they don't get uncontrolled access BUT I have used the kids to train focus on me, recall under heavy distraction, "stay down" (4 feet on the floor), don't jump up on prams, and tolerate children in  general, which has been really helpful as otherwise my dogs would have had very limited interaction with kids when younger.

Hahaha I love the groaning noises, my 6 year old Sheltie Riley has always been a groaner, I call them his old man noises 

6 hours ago, corrie said:

If I walked in to a dog beach or leash free area and someone had a baby on the ground then would quietly shake my head, leash my dog and leave the area. 

 

Not a very sensible action by the mother but at the same time it is a public space and she is well within her rights. 

 

Sometimes despite the inconsiderations of others you just try to do the sensible thing and move on. That's life!

Agree. While it does frustrate the heck out of me when babies and little kids are put on the ground (lying/sitting/running around) in designated off leash dog areas, because Quinn loooooooves kids and will want to approach them but would definitely lick and can also be too rough, it's still my responsibility to not let her do that so on the leash she goes.

Having said that I would never rely on other people to do that and would not put my own baby/little kid on the ground in a dog area!

Look at that happy face!

I got 15/19. A couple could have gone either way, like others have said hard to tell just from the one photo.

I disagree with what they say about the Shepherd being playful, nervous but no danger, he looked pretty scared and stressed to me and could air snap or nip to try and get out the situation.

DoesDoes he shed? Does he have an undercoat or just one layer? Have you clipped his coat yet and how fast does it grow?

It takes a lot of grooming work to keep a Maltese coat in proper condition when it's that long, let alone a cross breed.

There is an OT for venting (which I'm all for)...no wonder membership and discussion about dog stuff has fallen on the forum when judgement is so blatant in the open, viewable sub-forums. 

Disagreeing with particular comments about dog stuff and calling out trolls is one thing but  the kind of banter that long time DOLers get belongs in OT, not the General forum if we have any chance of welcoming and educating new members.

My 2 desexed males stay with my entire female when she is in season.  There is more humping than usual from all 3 towards each other but they've never successfully mated (I don't think the boys are actually attempting to, just humping, and I don't think she actually wants them to - she doesn't flag her tail them when she's receptive while she will if I scratch just above her tail base). They are both smaller than her so maybe they just can't figure out the mechanics.

I didn't leave them alone together the first couple of seasons, until I was sure they were all ok together though. So it may work but it may not, and yes they can actually mate, not just attempt it.

On 14 August 2017 at 4:21 PM, casowner said:

I'm stuck on why there are so few damnations on this purebred dog forum about this dog being back yard bred after the incident, the situation is tragic but profiteering isn't something that sits well for me

Like RP says, it's a completely separate issue. Backyard breeding isn't illegal, whether we like it or not, and him being bred has nothing to do with the attack.

Does the Tas legislation require a declared dangerous dog to be desexed? If so, wouldn't he have had to have been bred before the attack happened, meaning it is even less relevant to the issue. If they are required to be desexed and the owner somehow bred him between when the attack happened and when he was declared that would be different.

Quinn (Aussie Shep) seems to be having a MASSIVE coat drop this time around!!! She drops twice a year (5.5 year old entire bitch, drops 8 weeks before a season) but there seems to be more hair than usual this time around...she does have a mild skin irritation in a patch on her back, which I suspect is a flea bite reaction as she's allergic, but no sign of current fleas. I'm thinking either weather or my imagination, but I'm in Brisbane and from memory you're down south (sorry, can't see on my phone) so our weather is very different at the moment =\ Whatever it is, I sympathise!

You've probably already done it, but I'd use it. I've used my human Cetaphil face wash, and even even soap (liquid hand wash) once in a while on fluffy dog bums when they've needed runny poos washed off and I haven't had any dog things available.

Ah ok, thanks PK  Google tells me that the original Gentle Leader product was the head collar (which I am a fan of when used properly) and the EasyWalk front attach harness (which I use with two of my dogs, one for pulling and one for reverse sneezing with any collar pressure) is another product in their range. Got it now!

I know this thread is a bit old now, but a Gentle Leader is a head collar and an Easy Walk harness is a front attach harness, they are different, sounds like the OP is using an Easy Walk front attach harness. The other tools mentioned are different again. 

But as others have said, this needs a trainer to teach nice walking because dogs can easily learn to pull through ANY tool and using any tool incorrectly, especially on a puppy, can cause damage.

Oh they are so beautiful! I have tried the Rescue Remedy spray both myself (didn't feel an effect but at the time I was both on anti-depressant/anti-anxiety meds [Leaxapro] and codeine based pain meds so that doesn't surprise me) and also on a high anxiety shelter dog, who possibly relaxed more than usual but it was hard to judge given the limited time I could spend with her vs a dog I lived with. I've anecdotally heard good results from plenty of people for both dogs and humans though so if it seems to be working I'd go for it, I don't think it would cause any harm.

Bloody Greyhound racing industry  Branding seems so totally unnecessary now with microchipping but presumably they still do it because, you know, they "care about and love their dogs like family" (sorry, OT)