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  1. ABC24 reporting this morning that Baird has admitted the U-turn on the greyhound industry was taken partially because of the Orange bi-election and it didn't work.

    Irony is that the result for the Nationals this last weekend has been disastrous (60% swing against the Nationals in one shire which is unheard of).

    A safe seat held by the Nats for 70 years, the people have spoken including those pesky uneducated, illiterate greyhound peeps. Council amalgamations were a huge part of their downfall but the greyhound ban was the straw the broke the Nationals back

    Grant has just announced his resignation, we can only hope Casino Mike follows suit.

  2. Steve, it's not that those not involved in the wrong-doing are doing the wrong thing just by being trainers, it's that the vast majority of aware of the issues and refuse to speak up. If an ANKC breeder knew of another ANKC breeder who did something like.. routinely drowned unwanted puppies or who lied on breeding registration papers (used a different sire, etc) but that person did not report it, would you not agree that the person shares some amount of guilt by allowing it to continue?

    Maddy if you are so sure that some know that some others are drowning puppies ,how do you think they know this and how many breeders that you know drown puppies have you reported? You cant just rock up and say I think they are routinely drowning puppies and its not something that a breeder brags about. You can say that s not that sire and its easily proven via DNA so if you know its happened then have you reported it ?.How do you know someone else is aware of it or that its not just gossip? If you know these things and dont report them then why are you less guilty of someone else who you think may know something .Why would a greyhound breeder drown puppies?

    I imagine this would be highly unlikely for 2 reasons that I can think of, the first being they cost too much to get on the ground, they would rather sell and recoup some of their costs than waste money and the second they wouldn't risk drowning a good dog.

    Yep.

    I don't think she's talking about greyhound puppies, I think she's using an example of if ANKC breeders did something dodgy :/

    Well that's how I read it.

  3. I'm sorry to hear about your families horse Westiemum :( yes nobbling was quite common back in the day, I think there wouldn't be many people who don't know the story of Phar Lap. I wasn't inviting you to the track I was just saying a new track is due for completion next year in Murray Bridge and if you hadn't been to a track in many years I suggested you go along. I understand completely why you would never go near a track again. My invitation was to visit a kennel facility, no where near a track, to see what goes on today but yes, when you're next in Melbs we would love to meet you and so would Stan and Maddie :) GAPSA were over here not long ago to see how well GAPVIC operates, they are making many improvements in fact GRSA just implemented a track injury fund that will provide funds to help greys involved in race related accidents and after rehab, fast track their entry to the GAPSA programme.

  4. asal Greyhounds will be exempt in Vic. They come unde the racing code.

    sarcasm alert perhaps,

    interesting, so they wont have to register as a business, get council permit, get an abn or the 10 million insurance? and allowed to keep their retired dogs?

    perhaps everyone should call their dogs greyhounds and race them, even if its only once in their lifetime?

    Well there are still council approvals required - an article on the paper about a council kicking a Greyhound breeder out. A Local Laws issue rather than a welfare issue by the sounds of it.

    If this is the one in the Cranbourne area they were not "kicked out" by council at all. The council rejected the application after a huge push from the Animal Justice Party and anti racing groups (most who wouldn't even know where Cranbourne was) and a neighbour who was concerned about the noise and that the greys could escape and chase her chooks. Yep. They sold the property without appeal to Frankston Council and relocated to South Gippsland.

  5. Good posts.

    Patience everyone - as I keep saying it will sort itself out - it will just be a slower death to the industry now, given I believe it's completely incapable of change - and it would seem the 'business as usual' since the removal of the bans just proves my point.

    And I'm sorry for any 'collateral damage' - but so many of these people stood by and did nothing making them as culpable as the perpetrators of such abject cruelty and misery. asal the paedophile analogy is a good one as exactly the same thing happened there - similarly so many people actively covered it up or turned a blind eye and it took a number of Royal Commissions sadly to get to the bottom it (and sadly I suspect we haven't seen the end of that frown.gif) - and those who 'turned a blind eye' are now being seen as culpable as the perpetrators - and the same will happen here - sexual assault of children and young people, abject cruelty to animals - all deserve to have the key thrown away IMO.

    I don't believe there is one person - not one - on DOL who in the same position as the majority of this industry who would have stood by and done nothing. We are a great community and set high standards for ourselves and our members - and we expect the same from others.

    WM I'm interested to know how many people you personally know in the greyhound industry. Have you been to a kennel or breeding/rearing facility or at least attended a track? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you only recently meet a greyhound for the first time?

    Correcting Hazy. smile.gif I grew up in a racing family - we owned race horses, I rode and I went to 'the dogs' many times and have been to kennels owned by friends of my father (he always had to be fully involved in everything he did laugh.gif) .

    It was Andy my westie who met a grey for the first time recently - Harley's beautiful Polly - not me. laugh.gif.

    Ah I thought you grew up in a horse racing family, so did I. My father was a bookmaker (I've been to more tracks than most people have had hot dinners)he also drove trotters and owned thoroughbreds and my grandfather and two of my uncles owned greyhounds so I've had a lifetime of experience across all three codes of racing. Ahhhh the good old days but times have changed, thankfully. You should get yourself along to a greyhound kennel in your area and see how different it is these days. I can try and organise it in your state if you would like so you can speak personally to a trainer? There are many trainers across most states that have offered many times for people to visit their facilities to see first hand how they are run but unfortunately people would rather just believe what they read on main stream and social media. The new track at Murray Bridge will be state of the art, go along to a meeting when it opens. Shame you're not in Victoria, you could visit Larissa (gapvic on DOL) and see how the welfare programmes work here, I've been there because I like to see things first hand and it's fantastic. She has been with Greyhound Racing Victoria for many years and I'm sure she would not be involved with an organisation that is rife with this "systematic" cruelty you speak of. Anyway just let me know and I'll see what I can tee up in SA.

  6. Good posts.

    Patience everyone - as I keep saying it will sort itself out - it will just be a slower death to the industry now, given I believe it's completely incapable of change - and it would seem the 'business as usual' since the removal of the bans just proves my point.

    And I'm sorry for any 'collateral damage' - but so many of these people stood by and did nothing making them as culpable as the perpetrators of such abject cruelty and misery. asal the paedophile analogy is a good one as exactly the same thing happened there - similarly so many people actively covered it up or turned a blind eye and it took a number of Royal Commissions sadly to get to the bottom it (and sadly I suspect we haven't seen the end of that frown.gif) - and those who 'turned a blind eye' are now being seen as culpable as the perpetrators - and the same will happen here - sexual assault of children and young people, abject cruelty to animals - all deserve to have the key thrown away IMO.

    I don't believe there is one person - not one - on DOL who in the same position as the majority of this industry who would have stood by and done nothing. We are a great community and set high standards for ourselves and our members - and we expect the same from others.

    WM I'm interested to know how many people you personally know in the greyhound industry. Have you been to a kennel or breeding/rearing facility or at least attended a track? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you only recently meet a greyhound for the first time?

  7. What do you mean "thankfully gone at long last"? The muzzle and off leash laws for greyhounds in Victoria is still very much in place, the government has decided to further review it and there is, at this stage, no idea when or if they will decide to lift that legislation. The fact that independent "rescue" groups here refuse to obey the law and encourage others to do the same tends to blur the lines on what is fact.

    And thank god for that. Laws concerning animals need to be based on science and our understanding of their behaviour, not on personal preferences of people who don't know enough about the breed but still claim to know what's best for the dogs.

    I stand corrected. I hadn't realised that had not gone through. I know you think it is best because of the high prey drive of greys, but there are many dogs NOT greyhounds that have just as high a prey drive and there aren't any muzzle laws for them, unless they first demonstrate a problem. Not all greys are unsafe in public, whether or not they have undergone the GAP green collar program.

    I don't understand why you think that it is fair for one high prey drive to be singled out, and others (plus greyhound crosses) to go scot free. And I do worry also that some public think the muzzles mean that the greys are human aggressive due to muzzles and there go some potential good homes. frown.gif But this is not the right thread to discuss this I apologise for off topic.

    The answer is quite simple, greyhounds are the fastest dog on the planet. I'm not talking about crosses I'm talking race bred greyhounds and when you are the custodian of the fastest dog on the planet with virtually no recall you have a responsibility to keep them safe first and foremost. That old chestnut about muzzles lessening the chances of greys finding homes just doesn't cut it anymore although the anti racing people still trot it out on a daily basis. Greyhounds are everywhere now and through the good work of places like GAPVIC, many people now know what the muzzle is intended for and has nothing to do with them being aggressive. It's simply the law and I, like Maddy, hope it stays in place because as she said people just simply do not know enough about the breed. They are adopting them because the media tells them (fuelled by those AR's you speak of)that they are hit on the head with hammers and thrown into shark infested waters on a daily basis. They are not your average dog and in the wrong hands can be a lethal weapon...I know this full well as I own one..... Maddie.

  8. Another celebrity vet all set to push an agenda on Brachy breeds, there are brachy specialist vets that could have been approached but they may not have supported the agenda of the organisers.... grrrr.

    Toss the baby out with the bathwater seems to be the AR platform. Badly bred brachy breeds can and do have problems - so lets get rid of them all, and then the short legged breeds and then the coated breeds and then the sighthounds and the giant breeds. And so it goes.Let us not fix the problem by encouraging health first in breeding programmes, let's ban anything that is not a Dingo.icon_smile_mad.gif

    And our commonwealth taxes are paying for this seminar!!!

    But the sighthounds, as a group, are very healthy. I don't think you could honestly say the same of brachy breeds?

    If your dog needs its nostrils widened and its soft palate trimmed just to be able to draw breath like a normal dog, I think you have a massive problem with conformation and the standard that isn't going to be fixed by telling people not to be idiots.

    100% agree. Are you of the assumption that well bred brachys need nares and palate surgery before they can comfortably be walked around the block? This is not true. Only poorly bred ones do. It is as simple as that.

    Long lived, problem free brachys do exist - although there are vets that will happily do nares and palate surgery where it is absolutely not needed. icon_smile_mad.gif We can point to flyball and agilty champion brachys, but these will be thrown out with the bathwater if those behind the push get their way.

    And don't for an instant assume that the animal rights people will not find an excuse against sighthounds - it will be something. Too much prey drive for recall training perhaps?? It is never safe to assume that your own breed is comfortably safe against AR driven legislation. Consider that historically, greyhounds had the earliest BSL in Victoria against them (thankfully gone at long last.)

    What do you mean "thankfully gone at long last"? The muzzle and off leash laws for greyhounds in Victoria is still very much in place, the government has decided to further review it and there is, at this stage, no idea when or if they will decide to lift that legislation. The fact that independent "rescue" groups here refuse to obey the law and encourage others to do the same tends to blur the lines on what is fact.

  9. A really tall, well boned and substantial (within reason) pure black, male, rescue Greyhound.

    Entire, which I realise won't happen with a rescue.

    Sleek coat without bald patches, not overshot, no broken toes or injuries. Good teeth and gums. Dog and small animal friendly and around 2 years old. Gentle temperament, but not timid.

    ...... it's possible, but I am too scared to look cause I might find him and then I will want him.

    One day...

    Yeah, be careful, I reckon they're around. :D

    :) Kirislin. IKR. Silly me started looking as soon as I posted that... I should know better, but I do love me a hound :)

    You can get one directly from a trainer, there are racing FB pages that list giveaways. Contrary to popular belief dogs of that age rarely have injuries it's their failure to chase that usually has them looking for a home. Out of all the foster greys I had only Maddie had a sprung toe which has never bothered her. There was a black 2 year old male listed yesterday, great with other dogs. PM me if you want the name of the page to join....or don't lol

  10. Two men arrested in Molong over the weekend and charged with making death threats to Troy Grant, his family and a staff member over the banning of greyhound racing. They've been given strict conditional bail. One apparently has links to a bikie gang.

    Obviously they are not among the "good men" of the greyhound industry?

    The death threats I got came from Animal rights people who apparently had links to Oscars Law

    Greyhound people don't have a monopoly on nutterism and you don't have to have links to bikies to be scary.

    Aint that the truth Steve. Bit like the death threats Billy Slater the footballer and his family received from the anti racing brigade when he was to appear at a family night at Albion Park greyhounds last month. He had to pull out and deleted all advertising of the event from his FB page, and then there's this AR nutter *sigh* where do I start with Heather Howard? I and many, many others were stalked, harassed and threatened for years by this woman until she was finally arrested 9 months ago, released on bail and breached bail conditions within 2 days so was arrested again. She had me and others blocked but I accessed one of her pages through someone elses account one day and it freaked me right out the stuff she had in there. There were 1000's of photos of greyhound peeps with all these weird rantings under them. I was one of them.

    Obviously she is not one of the "good people" of the anti racing peeps?

    http://www.qt.com.au/news/woman-charged-after-greyhound-investigation/2828094/

  11. I don't think you did Hazy but I was referring to mystify who did list some crazy stats and there's a lot on social media too - I know people are angry but attacking orgs like RSPCA does nothing to convince those who think racing should be banned. It makes supporters of racing feel better and reinforces the view of the public who think it should be banned. I see it through the eyes of the public because that's part of my job as an animal welfare scientist. It's not only about promoting good welfare but to be seen to do so. It is what it is. Someone asked me how to prevent this happening in livestock and my reply was to be proactive and to be SEEN as being proactive. Don't cover up. Expose the bad eggs. Engage with welfare orgs and research groups. You can do this at an individual and at a community level and at an industry level. You can see the livestock industries that haven't. As part of my job I talk with government, industry, community, research groups and animal welfare orgs. The latter are more receptive than people give them credit for WHEN you are open and honest.

    Thanks for your input Hazy - really appreciate your perspective and respectful discussion.

    No worries TSD thanks for listening.

    Yes I agree that they must be seen to be being proactive, I think that's where the good industry participants are frustrated because as stated many times breeding had halved in the last 12 months and as the overbreeding of greyhounds has always been my personal issue with the industry I saw that as a major step forward. Unfortunately, like you said, the general public didn't know that, how could they? GRNSW didn't exactly promote that fact did they so how the hell would anyone outside the industry know? That's where all states should take a leaf out of Greyhound Racing Victoria's book and SHOW the high welfare standards that are set here. I have personally rung GRV and enquired about various things and they couldn't be more helpful. Ring GRNSW and I doubt they even have an answering machine :(

  12. Well the government has signed sealed and delivered their decision, we really will never know if the industry is capable of reform or not as they aren't being given a chance to prove it.

    I think they had a good go at it though. Imagine if pet owners reduced the number of dogs being bred by 46%, there would be very little need for pounds, rescue organisations etc.

    Yes I have no doubt it will be passed when it goes through the lower house, yet another dodgy move by Baird but anyhoo. I also have no doubt that the industry WILL win in court but the problem there is how long will it take? Years I suspect and by that time the livelihoods of many will be long gone. Pet food distributors closed down and bankrupt, people with mortgages crushed and then there's the reality of suicides. I hope those that are feeling like they can't go on read Baird's link to Lifeline on the end of his facebook post, you know, so they know where to ring :mad

  13. So how did that figure of 13,000-17,000 make its way into a highly confidential written report that, in turn, was released to the Commission? It wasn't a slip of the tongue, off the cuff number released at a press conference. It's either a lie or incompetence.

    How did a testimony from some bloke in the US from 2005, which clearly had nothing to do with NSW let alone Australia make its way into the report :shrug: and yes...incompetence from GRNSW for sure. This article is interesting, why was Newson appointed? His appointment was dodgy and his hasty departure even dodgier and what was with the middle finger he flipped at those in the industry via social media, from behind the safety of the back door he snuck out of? Something about the whole thing smells like the skip bin behind my local fish and chip shop and it all points to one person and that prime 10 acres that Wenty Park sits on.

    http://www.australianracinggreyhound.com/australian-greyhound-racing/new-south-wales-greyhound-racing/opinion-the-hardest-part-about-greyhound-racing-ban-in-nsw/79809

    HW - I haven't followed the link yet but the statement by the US bloke was NEVER purported to be testimony. It was a clear reference to another report. You can't have an organisation as important as GA put forward written reports with numbers and suddenly withdraw them without raising some sort of suspicion. GRNSW had every opportunity to provide data to the commission - again and again the information was incomplete. They don't even list litter sizes - numbers of Greys are based on THEIR estimate of 6.3 per litter. That wasn't the Commission's estimate.

    ETA: Completely get the perspective in the link. Can understand the industry being pi$$ed off at their representatives. But that's the first time I've heard that side of it and I have been following this with great interest. That's where the energy should be focussed - not attacking the RSPCA and Commissioner and the general public - just looks like sour grapes.

    Oh I agree GRNSW are as dodgy as, they failed, the industry participants failed, the only winners here are the animal rights groups. It's great that you are interested in the links I've provided and it's great to see members of the general public reading info and saying "hmmm ok yes that's odd" but you are sadly in the minority. Sour grapes is an odd way to put it, good people are set to lose everything they are irate, depressed they are lashing out as anyone would. One trainer I was reading about out west had taken out a loan to update his facilities to the new standards bought in, 12 months ago I might add. He decided to redevelop his whole property, putting in a new bullring, slipping track, full aircon and heating to his kennel facilities spending hundreds of thousands of dollars as he was confident the industry in NSW was moving forward, he had created a state of the art rearing and training facility...nek minute...gone. In debt up to his eyeballs and how is he going to sell it? Who wants it? Every...single...day they are asked by the public "why don't you just keep them, you would if you loved them like you say" when who can afford to keep 30 dogs as pets? They are bred as racing stock it's a racing industry. I mean really, if every breeder of every dog "really loved" their pups they breed no one would own a pet would they?

    As you said, that's the first time you've heard that side of it but a majority of the general public will never see it. Mainly because they aren't looking for the other side, are simply not interested or just saw the full page ads the government placed in the Sydney papers and thought "oh that's terrible, yes shut it down" and went and made a sandwich without another thought.

    ETA I don't remember talking about the RSPCA :/ maybe I did somewhere but I could care less about the RSPCA.

  14. So how did that figure of 13,000-17,000 make its way into a highly confidential written report that, in turn, was released to the Commission? It wasn't a slip of the tongue, off the cuff number released at a press conference. It's either a lie or incompetence.

    How did a testimony from some bloke in the US from 2005, which clearly had nothing to do with NSW let alone Australia make its way into the report :shrug: and yes...incompetence from GRNSW for sure. This article is interesting, why was Newson appointed? His appointment was dodgy and his hasty departure even dodgier and what was with the middle finger he flipped at those in the industry via social media, from behind the safety of the back door he snuck out of? Something about the whole thing smells like the skip bin behind my local fish and chip shop and it all points to one person and that prime 10 acres that Wenty Park sits on.

    http://www.australianracinggreyhound.com/australian-greyhound-racing/new-south-wales-greyhound-racing/opinion-the-hardest-part-about-greyhound-racing-ban-in-nsw/79809

  15. For anyone interested in the flaws in the report being explained by someone with many years of experience in greyhounds, Dr Liz Brown who was the vet that spoke up and exposed the three vets in the report as not having the credentials they claimed to have, is explaining key points each day on her FB page Northern Rivers Vet Clinic. If you can get past the "parasite" and "you scum dog killer" posts from the anti's which she deletes when she has the time, you can find some interesting discussions.

    https://web.facebook.com/Northernriversvetservicecasino/

  16. I have no idea how my post got lost in the middle of TSD and mystifies post but this was it.

    Yes the good old GA that just threw out a figure of 17,000 with no thought to it at all when all of a sudden they thought "oops, hang on that can't be right there wouldn't be enough dogs to race!". Of course within about 30 seconds of that figure being announced the anti's jumped on it like seagulls on a chip, scurrying around raking in money from the sheeple and whacking up billboards all over the joint emblazoned with "17,000 dogs die!!!!!" Or 18,000 if you live in Brisbane, hell I've seen the figure of 30,000 from the frothing with excitement anti brigade. GA retracted the figure later but really, if they had retracted that 2 seconds later it would of made no difference. They claimed the back track from GA was lies, of course, because you can't let the truth get in the way of a good story. As the old saying goes "A lie can make it's way around the world before the truth has even put it's shoes on"

  17. From Volume 2:

    GA estimated that:

    • 7,000 greyhounds a year did not make it to the track (40% of all greyhounds whelped);

    • the industry sponsored Greyhounds As Pets (“GAP”) program rehomed around 6% of all pre- raced and retired greyhounds; and

    • the industry was responsible for the deaths of anywhere between 13,000 and 17,000 healthy greyhounds a year.

    Subject to the qualifications below, these figures suggest that between approximately 74% and 97% of the industry’s greyhounds are destroyed at some point at or before the age of approximately 4.5 years (at birth, prior to naming, after naming or upon retirement from racing).

    (Report goes on to list qualifications and a detailed response to each - read it here: http://www.greyhoundracinginquiry.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/Report-SCI-Greyhound-Racing-Industry-NSW-Volume-2.pdf )

    Yes the good old GA that just threw out a figure of 17,000 with no thought to it at all when all of a sudden they thought "oops, hang on that can't be right there wouldn't be enough dogs to race!". Of course within about 30 seconds of that figure being announced the anti's jumped on it like seagulls on a chip, scurrying around raking in money from the sheeple and whacking up billboards all over the joint emblazoned with "17,000 dogs die!!!!!" Or 18,000 if you live in Brisbane, hell I've seen the figure of 30,000 from the frothing with excitement anti brigade. GA retracted the figure later but really, if they had retracted that 2 seconds later it would of made no difference. They claimed the back track from GA was lies, of course, because you can't let the truth get in the way of a good story. As the old saying goes "A lie can make it's way around the world before the truth has even put it's shoes on"

    GA later retracted their findings as it was found to be misleading and not based on actual figures. It was found that they made incorrect calculations when they did not have the full figure of actual live greyhounds that never went to GAP nor were reported deceased. The figure was later changed to a lower percentage of deaths per year, I can't remember what it was but it was approx 10% on average per year that didn't survive including those pups in a litter that died of diseases, illnesses, killed by their dams, etc

    Based on industry breeding figures, it's impossible to kill 17000 dogs in a single year. On average we need over 10,000 to race, 3000 to maintain those numbers via breeding (including sires), and the remaining 4000 would be made in GAP and private re-homing, with the exception of the now known "wastage" rate of 6.9%. Also keep in mind that breeding numbers are down by 46%, so your numbers are grossly outdated and false. See Greyhounds Australasia for confirmation. http://www.galtd.org.au/industry/australasian-statistics

    Injury rates are very low when you consider we have around 350,000 starters every year. So based on the public perception of 200 injuries every week, means we have an injury rate of 2.97%. But just so you know, regulators around the nation are working to bring those already impressive numbers down even further. And it's worth noting those figures include minor injuries, including minor cuts or abrasions and minor muscle strains. Visit here for more details: http://www.racingtoarespectedfuture.com.au/

    Living conditions are very strict. In Victoria alone, they are bound by a government code of practice, complete with standards of living. These standards are the highest in the world, and the dogs are better cared for than most pets. In fact when you consider who cares for their dogs better, you only have to look at the rate pet dogs are going into RSPCA shelters. And only 70% make it out alive, compared to greyhound racing 93.1% that make it from the whelping box to the couch. Visit here for more details: http://agriculture.vic.gov.au/pe…/domestic-animal-businesses

  18. The thing is, it shouldn't be about changing peoples minds. It should be about fixing what is wrong with the industry. Stop whinging about AR nutters and show the country you are seriously addressing the issues at hand. I don't want racing banned but it's shit like this that will ensure AR nutters get their way.

    The thing is, the industry in NSW was already under reform, they were already seriously addressing the issues at hand. I posted a link a few pages back about breeding restrictions and welfare reforms, I won't bother posting it again. The AR nutters are getting their way because they are hand in hand with the NSW goverment. The taxpayers of NSW, and this includes industry participants much to their warranted disgust, are funding full page ads in the Sydney papers by the Baird govt like the one attached. These have already been proved to be untrue but Baird needs to maintain the rage because he knows full well the report he has based his decision on is flawed. As my Mum used to say 'people only see what they want to see' so when the general public see these full page ads in the DT or the SMH they just think well that must be true if the government says so.

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  19. spotted this, good summation dont you think of the problem. "ANIMAL ACTIVISTS AT IT AGAIN!!!

    Animal extremists will never stop, they fail to understand the difference between animal rights and animal welfare, they have no idea about animal husbandry, nor do they understand or appreciate the connection man and beast have had for eons.

    Help us win this war that is raging against all animal sports and industries! Join us today, or our tomorrow will be doubtful... Everyone is welcome to unite with us!"

    Where did this quote come from Asal?

    National Greyhound Racing United FB page. Posted on July 28 in response to the rally held yesterday against the carriage horses in the Melbourne CBD.

    https://web.facebook.com/NGRU2015/

  20. TSD here are some key points addressed in the report.

    http://www.racingtoarespectedfuture.com.au/app/uploads/2016/07/NSWGreyhoundRacingIndustryAlliance-FactSheet.pdf

    This from GRNSW showing what had been put in place for reform in the last 12 months.

    http://www.grnsw.com.au/news/then-and-now--12-months-of-reform

    I also follow the Australian Racing Greyhound website, particularly the articles written by my vet here in Victoria Des Fegan, a leading greyhound vet in this country with decades of experience in greyhounds not only here but also in his home country of Ireland but also in the UK where he is very well respected and very missed by the UK racing industry. Des has just resigned from the AVA after their support of the ban in NSW. Of course in the comments section of this article you will see three comments by three well known anti's, none of them reside in Australia and wouldn't know him if they fell over him nor do they realise he is used regularly by greyhound rescue groups here in Victoria. He's still a "parasite" apparently O.o

    http://www.australianracinggreyhound.com/australian-greyhound-racing/new-south-wales-greyhound-racing/fegan-fires-off-at-the-ava-after-supporting-bairds-greyhound-ban/79645

    TSD it seems you are interested in researching both sides of the arguement. There are many pro racing FB pages that are public where you can follow the facts that are unfolding, if you are interested PM me. I cannot believe that people honestly think this is not a land grab by Baird but that he has done this on compassionate reasons. If the welfare of the dogs were his priority he would've (as said by Des Fegan in the above article) fazed out racing over a number of years. There are not just the greyhounds currently racing that face an abrupt end there are pups on the ground, dogs under 12 months old at rearers and breakers, brood bitches and some that haven't even whelped yet! The over breeding of greyhounds is the major problem in racing IMO, healthy dogs being PTS should not be happening. Too many dogs bred means too many dogs dead. In the last 12 months in NSW breeding has dropped to 47%, all these figures are available to the public but no one seems to know about them, maybe they don't want to. Besides the dogs this just doesn't affect those employed directly by the industry. You have meat suppliers, delivery drivers, kennel manufacturers, kibble producers (do you know how many thousands of kilos of kibble greyhounds consume yearly?) transporters the list is endless not to mention rural communities that are crushed by this. One meat supplier in the small town of Willow Tree near Newcastle, population 160 and the biggest employer in town have said this will finish them, they will close down.

    Although I was born into a racing family I have been on both sides, the rescue and the racing and after what I have personally gone through with rescue and what I am watching unfold from them I stand solidly behind the good people in the greyhound industry. I've dealt with some disgusting people in racing but I have met some fantastic people as well and in my 50 years experience the good far outweigh the bad.

  21. Thanks Hazy - again, I appreciate it. Honestly the report is HUGE and I don't have the time or the motivation to check all those claims. Changes that were made in review are not unusual in such a huge report. Whoever made the poster should be putting this in writing to GRNSW and/or the government with references.

    The poster was not made by an industry person it was in the article I posted from the Daily Telegraph. There is no point in anyone putting anything in writing to either GRNSW or the government, it falls on deaf ears as it doesn't fit the agenda. Now today the figures of wastage (48k to 68k) have been found to be grossly inflated and are aactually around 7%. It seems GRNSW have been sitting on information that they neglected to make available. Why? as yet no one knows as GRNSW have declined to comment.

    If you can't access this link, google 'dog deaths a fraction of report' and you should get in, I did.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/secret-figures-claim-real-dog-wastage-fraction-of-mchugh-report/news-story/e8410a8a913ae19188bdc959064291d3

  22. Thanks HazyWal - appreciate your input. Any chance you could post the article please as I've hit a pay wall.

    I will have a look at those parts of the report - do you mean the start of the volume on wastage? I've had a quick look and can only find one quote in Volume One. Reference was clearly given ie not submitted as evidence.

    1 Atkinson and Young, (2008) at 86 cited by the Australian Working Dog Alliance in “Review & Assessment of Best Practice, Rearing, Socialisation, Education & Training Methods for Greyhounds in a Racing Context.” Ex S (17-19 November 2015), p. 25.

    Sorry TSD I can't get back in either but here is a few of them.

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  23. There are so many holes in the report, also how many vets will go out to properties and euthanaise 40-50 dogs, not many I suspect.

    Can you expand on these holes please?

    Well I don't know about you but the drowning of the pups in the very start of the report gave me a "what the?" moment. Pups don't even go to the breakers until around 12 months old so how do you know they are slow or non chasers? Why would anyone pay, for instance, around $4000 for a Fernando Bale straw, then the associated costs with whelping and then drown them before they even had a chance to be taught lead walking let alone being broken in. It made no sense to me and then of course we find out that this was copied and pasted from a guy named Ernie...in 2005...in the USA. What a joke. The report has so many holes in it you could strain your pasta through it. As someone said on an article I read when McHugh started backpeddling and retracting points, "this is what happens when a decision has been made and then a report is written to justify it" spot on.

    This article in the DT explains some of it, the barristers are still pulling it apart so there will be interesting times ahead.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/gaping-holes-in-flawed-greyhound-report/news-story/415a3dca32b0d0959f339365dd726c48

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