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20 minutes ago, tdierikx said:

There is no actual law (in NSW anyways) that says that you have to be a registered breeder to sell a pup/kitten for more than $500... more likely a Gumtree rule...

 

T.

That is my opinion too. no law in Vic either that I know of.

When pups cry it is usually because they are cold. Where is her box? Can you move it to a warmer/less draughty place or give them a heat pad?

1 hour ago, ellz said:

My Springers and Cockers will eat anything except celery and long green beans.   Apples and oranges they really love (they are very proficient at peeling the oranges) and all green salads.  One of my boys would even steal bananas!

I do not think they ever even stop to sniff the meat or fish.

Try Bodhran in WA.

i have pups from two of their dogs at the moment - very impressive.

Have you looked at the transport cost recently?  I sent a Springer pup to Christchurch recently - the cost was over $4000

I used Zylkene on the advice of a veterinary Behavourist and the dog in question has done exceptionally well over time.

He has gone from quivering jelly to well adjusted house pet.

Zylkene is made from milk products and I did not see any side effects.  Of course, this was not the only therapy he had.

one of my friends tried Zylkene on a bitch that cried when left and it did not appear to do much for her.

all you can do is try different things.

Hi Rascal

if you look at the State Govt web sites, there are very specific things about what and how much the breeder is liable for.  I think it is 100% refund up to three years old if the defect can be traced back to the breeder.  I will try to find the details for you and send you the link or you can PM me if you would rather do that.

On 04/10/2022 at 9:39 AM, pesh said:

Hi All
Can I get an idea what price breeders are charging for a partially trained, approx. 1 year old male Cockers are going for please?
Been many years since I've bought a dog, so one thing I know prices would have changed. 
Thanks

When you say ‘partially trained” - trained for what? Eg trained to hunt in the field? House trained? Trained to walk on the lead or sit quietly at the peg?

Cockers are not the easiest dogs to train unless you get one from a working line and want it to do a job that it likes! 

On 12/08/2022 at 10:20 AM, Deeds said:

You can get long life goats milk from Woollies or Coles.  It's called Living Planet UHT Goats Milk and costs $4.70.

On 12/08/2022 at 11:46 AM, Deeds said:

https://shop.coles.com.au/a/national/product/living-planet-milk-long-life-goats

 

Yes, I keep an emergency supply.  Note that it needs really well mixing up before you feed- it seems to sepAte out while in the cupboard and becomes rather thick at the bottom of the packet.

I agree with Rebanne, go for something pronounceable - short is also good because as well as avoiding the prefixes of every other breeder, you need to remember that the maximum field available when registering pups is 32 spaces, so if you have a long prefix you restrict the spaces available to you for pup names.

I take it that are meeting the breeder at their property?  If so, have a good look round at the actual place the pup is living in,  look at their adult digs (not just the puppies) and when I say look, I mean LOOK.  Ask yourself “are these dogs what I want in my life”?. because your baby will only be a baby for a few months and you will be living with the adult for years!

i breed dogs myself and am amazed at the number of people who are so magnetised by the pups that they do not give the adults a second glance and please read the paperwork, don’t just sign with one eye on your new baby.

Have a wonderful visit and enjoy your new baby.

All pics gratefully received - a new Pom , how exciting.

Depends why you are doing it.  If you expect your pup to come back to you fully trained, you are destined to be disappointed for the reasons stated above.  But if you just think that a few weeks of discipline will do puppy good, then go for it!

A long time ago, I sent a spaniel to live with a Game Keeper for a few months, (I was working in Scotland at the time); the experience did her the world of good and she subsequently became an excellent gun dog in spite of me!

15 hours ago, sandgrubber said:

But not as a 5 or 6 generation throwback.  

In one litter, I had a pup with a kinked tail and there is no history of that in my lines.  It was interesting because you could tell where the tail and back legs had developed in the embryo because of the markings and in this case, the tail had developed wrapped round the right rear leg.

Agreed.  Tail deformity can occur (developmentally) in any breed.  It also depends on what you mean by a “curly tail”.

as an aside - does anyone know if Bull Terrier tails were ever docked?

FCR 4.   If you are not happy with the responses then I suggest that you go out and get yourself some well bred brood bitches and have a go yourself.  Then in a few years time, you will be able to let us all know how much each pup has cost you to produce.

We are would  all be interested to see some good objective research.  Let’s face ir, even the Taxman will not accept that dog breeding (except on a large scale) can be a profitable business.

On 28/02/2022 at 4:26 PM, Lee M said:

Hello,

 

I'm looking to get a DNA certificate for my purebred Golden. I've contacted Orivet, but they mainly test cross breed dogs?    

I do not know how you have got that impression because Orivet test all breeds for breed specific problems as well as general parentage issues.

I guess it comes down to whether you factor in the cost of looking after a number of dogs 24/7/365

i agree that in the short term I make a profit, in the long term I never come close!

so, how far should the general public expect me to subsidise their purchase?

I think you can also still import dogs that have been legally docked in their home country

4 hours ago, sandgrubber said:

But in too many cases, judges interpret and have long interpreted the standard in ways that cause health problems and/or result in high maintenance, often at a cost in temperament.  The winners end up on MR and the BISs become preferred studs.  

 

My mother was born in 1923.  She complained that show preferences were ruining breeds she loved...specifically, rough collies and cocker spaniels.

Precisely! 

I see the biggest problem is who writes the standards, and who is interpreting that standard?  People with different interests will put stress on different features/capabilities.

On 15/02/2022 at 6:08 PM, YOLO said:

I didn't start this thread to bash breeders.
But the way in which some dictate up front that all their puppies go on the LR, just seems illogical to me.

Unless I'm missing something, limited register has only two effects:

1. It prevents the owner from showing the dog
2. It prevents another ANKC registered breeder from registering any offspring.

And that's it, so what am I missing?

 

The prospect of getting involved in dogs shows is daunting enough, why do they want ban new owners??
 

In regards to breeding, as I said it only effects another registered breeder (or somebody that wants to become one)

1. An unregistered breeder (well-meaning amateur, backyard bodgy, or puppy farmer) will breed the dog regardless.
2. As a breeder said above, they would know any existing ANKC Breeder and would have a discussion prior to selecting a puppy, so the blanket LR policy is largely irrelevant. Afterall, is the pinching of puppies between registered breeders really a huge problem?
3. Which leaves the issue of new or prospective Registered Breeders.
   Surely this is an opportunity to engage with such people?
   Point out the responsibilities and challenges of becoming a registered breeder, and try to educate them?
   What's the worst that can happen?
   The Upfront Mandatory "LR ONLY" stance not only fails to engage, but pushes any wannabe breeder onto the backyard-breeder path.

I agree.  Once the puppy is paid for and out of the gate  the breeder has lost all effective control no matter which register it is listed on.

People who think otherwise are fooling themselves

1 hour ago, sandgrubber said:

I can't remember where I saw the warning but synthetic grass gets HOT.  Real grass transpires so there's evaporative cooling.   Fake grass just absorbs solar radiation and converts it to heat.

I have seen this too.  I think it was in an article about designing children’s play areas.

Unfortunately (or fortunately) I am old enough to have been a breeder in the “olden days”.

my pups still leave here on the main register because I am proud of them.  They are and always have been , working dogs. They still look the same as they always have looked (no long coats and floppy ears etc).  They have done my kennel proud as sniffing dogs all over the world.  Do you think Dogs Vic  or Dogs NSW cares?  They do not even acknowledge us when our animals appear in the media etc. So why am I still a member? Because I believe in the Stud Book/Register which should be a record for all dog owners to see the history of their breed and the place of their dog in that history.

4 hours ago, sheena said:

We live rural as well ...200 acres with cattle & wildlife.  We have a fence around our house/dog yard to stop our dogs from straying.  You cannot just move to a rural area & let your dogs free range

Rural/forest here as well .We have a well fenced yard and still get kangaroos etc eating the front lawn/garden area.  My dogs never get out of the house yard until we have “scouted” the area and unless someone is with them to keep them under control.

Electronic collars etc  are not an alternative to training

Interest discussion.

I have always found that three is the most unstable number of house dogs I have had.  Maybe it is because two get on as friends  and that makes one an outsider and fair game for the others.  Maybe it is because the boss feels her position threatened. ( notice I refer to the boss as female because in the spaniel world the girls are always at the top!  I don’t know anything about the Shepard  hierarchy, but you will soon find out!)