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Haredown Whippets

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  1. Know the feeling Yep, been there got the t-shirt too. Thanks for the bullying guys. No value add to the thread but plenty of boots stuck in. Oh the irony - it seems some are safe targets but others are fair game. I apologised for causing offence. Seems that the DOL police have decided that they must serve up their version of justice. You win. I am leaving. There is clearly no place for people expressing concern about dogs anymore lest they be singled out for passive aggressive bullying. What a shadow of a forum this place now is. 12 years of membership and hounded out by a few people who want to say it it all goes down here. Forget it indeed.
  2. Hardly. People are allowed to do a lot of things even when a minority abuse that right or privilege and cause harm to others. Smoke, own guns and knives, drive cars, drink alcohol, operate heavy machinery, parachute, gamble, have children, etc. etc. We have laws so that people can have freedom while not endangering or harming others. When a group is identified as having broken the law repeatedly and it is having a serious impact on others, they may be targeted with additional legislation. Typically it seems to be a knee jerk reaction that victimises a lot of people that weren't breaking the law, and it's questionable if it does any good. I imagine it depends. However, I doubt the greyhound industry is a victim of such targeting. It's a convenient excuse, and one that's only available because the greyhound industry is far from squeaky clean in the first place. It's a slippery slope. No it's not. It's a logical fallacy. Unless you can provide a valid inductive argument or a mechanism by which the banning of greyhound racing on apparently welfare grounds will probably lead to the banning of pet ownership on welfare grounds, then it is a fallacious slippery slope. Tell that to the AR campaigners already talking it up. "Animal Rights activists said so" is not a valid inductive argument. No but since valid inductive arguments seem to have little role in what is shaping the political agenda for animals here in NSW, I'll stay focussed on what is. As a student of political science it concerns the hell out of me that based on what everyone admits is a deeply flawed report, people who have done no wrong will have their livelihoods destroyed and be offered not compensation. Frankly it should be concerning a lot of people but most, poorly if at all informed and reacting emotively on an issue that has no blow back on them, are crowing about the win for greyhounds. It won't be for those dogs in NSW from where I sit.
  3. Really? Lots of steps are being made to achieve just that. Mandatory desexing is another step.
  4. That was never my intention and for that I truly do apologise.
  5. Hardly. People are allowed to do a lot of things even when a minority abuse that right or privilege and cause harm to others. Smoke, own guns and knives, drive cars, drink alcohol, operate heavy machinery, parachute, gamble, have children, etc. etc. We have laws so that people can have freedom while not endangering or harming others. When a group is identified as having broken the law repeatedly and it is having a serious impact on others, they may be targeted with additional legislation. Typically it seems to be a knee jerk reaction that victimises a lot of people that weren't breaking the law, and it's questionable if it does any good. I imagine it depends. However, I doubt the greyhound industry is a victim of such targeting. It's a convenient excuse, and one that's only available because the greyhound industry is far from squeaky clean in the first place. It's a slippery slope. No it's not. It's a logical fallacy. Unless you can provide a valid inductive argument or a mechanism by which the banning of greyhound racing on apparently welfare grounds will probably lead to the banning of pet ownership on welfare grounds, then it is a fallacious slippery slope. Tell that to the AR campaigners already talking it up.
  6. Hardly. People are allowed to do a lot of things even when a minority abuse that right or privilege and cause harm to others. Smoke, own guns and knives, drive cars, drink alcohol, operate heavy machinery, parachute, gamble, have children, etc. etc. We have laws so that people can have freedom while not endangering or harming others. When a group is identified as having broken the law repeatedly and it is having a serious impact on others, they may be targeted with additional legislation. Typically it seems to be a knee jerk reaction that victimises a lot of people that weren't breaking the law, and it's questionable if it does any good. I imagine it depends. However, I doubt the greyhound industry is a victim of such targeting. It's a convenient excuse, and one that's only available because the greyhound industry is far from squeaky clean in the first place. It's a slippery slope.
  7. As far as I know, the industry in Tasmania is not being shut down. No industry is being shut down 'based on such iffy stats and figures'. The NSW greyhound racing industry is being shut down due entirely to its own failings. In the decades during which it has been operating, it has failed utterly in its responsibilities in relation to animal welfare. There have been plenty of opportunities for the industry to reform, but it has failed to do so. The opportunity to clean up the industry has now long since slipped away. So now we ban pet ownership because some people abuse their pets? That's where that logic takes you.
  8. Most of my friends with dogs agree with those website reviews - more or less.
  9. Thanks for the info Anne. On this table I am trying to keep it very factual and measurable. When I first started looking at all these breeds it was around December last year and my first criteria was size, however I have further researched these breeds into areas such as temperament. Whilst there are a lot of dogs on this list, I have no intention of owning many of them, however I still wanted to put them on my table due to similar shared physical characteristics, as I wish to make the table as extensive as I can with these breeds. Do you have any suggestions for reliable websites that have information that covers overall common breed temperament, rather than just some anecdotal evidence? Your purebred puppy Personally I'd be figuring out what temperament I want in a dog first. Dogs of similar physical characteristics can have quite varied temperaments dependent on the function they were developed for. You're also going to have some trouble finding quite a few of those breeds. Starting with the ANKC recognised breeds would narrow the field. I'd not restrict your search to Victoria, especially for some of the rarer breeds.
  10. No specific advice but I have found a good meat broth will increase the palatability of food. Bone broth maybe? You can buy that powdered to make up.
  11. I think the new owner is doing precisely the right thing. It's what I would do. No one humps anyone in this house.
  12. At least the dog IS walked. The fact it might not be walked as we would do is beside the point. I wouldn't take water for a dog for a half hour walk either. In fact I never do.
  13. What kind of kidney failure? Acute, early stage?? I see you have a second appointment. Hopefully you get more information. I managed a dog with early stage kidney failure for another 18 months on Hills KD. IMO its time to put your feeding philosophy to one side and give the dog the best possible chance of quality of life for the longest possible time. It may be that someone has the knowledge to prescribe a raw diet that will perform the same function as a KD diet but I don't know of anyone. Diagnosis of renal failure in a dog, while scary, is not a death sentence. I hope this is an early stage diagnosis and you have plenty of time left to share.
  14. Word of warning: Do NOT under ANY circumstances open the crate until you are in a secure (think fenced) area or room. It is better that the pup toilet in the crate than do a runner when you open the door OR slip its collar or lead. If you don't own the crate then you need to bring one with you to transfer the pup into for the trip home. Or take the pup home and open the crate there.
  15. This is what works for me: Coat the pill in something tasty and slippery - I find yoghurt works. Open the dog's upper jaw with your hand over the muzzle. Insert the pill with your other thumb and forefinger and put it down the throat. Close the mouth, hold the head up and stroke the throat. Once they swallow, give a treat. You can get "pillers' from the vet that hold the pill so you can get it down the throat. Hiding pills in balls of mince is worth a try too. Give a few without a pill to keep the dog interested. If you get really really stuck, see if a compounding chemist will make up what you need in a paste that can be syringed down the throat.
  16. I'm actually just asking a question I thought was an interesting one. Just because no lure courser has ever mentioned it doesn't mean anything really... it must be nice to be able to idly speculate on this without having any worries about potentially losing something you have put years of effort into with ever harming an animal. These sorts of comments are dangerous right now. The baiting stuff is worse than a lie, if it had not been for the baiting scandal the vast majority of LC participants would have had no idea what baiting even was in the first place. It has been put out there by people who have no experience with LC to create a wedge that will eventually come after other dog sports, and just about any other dog that isn't a generic couch dog. Great Dane owners would want to be careful about that, because I can see size winding up as one of the idiotic criteria we end up having used against us (big dogs being unhealthy, and all that). LC only found itself in the Greyhound enquiry report because some bright spark decided to indulge in that sort of speculation. Even a cursory attempt at research would have revealed that he sport of lure coursing was CREATED to obviate the need for live game. What part of that is difficult to for people to grasp?? We don't use fur or fake fur. We use plastic bags. Dogs chase bags for the same reason they chase tennis balls. People may find it difficult to believe that a dog will go screaming berserk to chase a plastic bag. That's where getting out from behind the computer screen and attending an event is illustrative. I'm told that the science was that live baiting wasn't particularly effective in getting greyhounds to chase a mechanical lure. It was the sort of "dog training" that stemmed from the same timeframe that brought you rubbing dogs noses in their faeces to "toilet train" them. Dog training has moved on. I feel for the greyhound trainers who have been dragged down by the troglodytes in the industry. What's next? No check chains? No crates? Watch this space people because it now appears that idle speculation and even the potential for abuse will see babies tossed out with bathwater as the AR brigade move onto their next target. They have already proven that a good misinformation campaign and rubbery statistics will get them over the line.
  17. That is not my take. Those who 'race' greys are caught. Lure coursing is not a simple test of speed as referred to by the legislation. The dogs aren't even timed.
  18. How would anything other than a bag fit under a tie down or not flip a pulley? How would using animals encourage a dog to chase what it knows to be a plastic bag? The dog is looking at the plastic bag when it starts. The bag is right in front of it. Sorry but I fail to see the potential also. What's more important is that I fail to see the incentive. It's not a race and there is no betting. My most prey driven dog will not chase plastic. They either do or they don't. End of story.
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