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Just another thought. Maybe it’s worth having your mature golden have a thoroughly good vet check. The puppy may be highlighting issues such as sight or hearing loss, or chiropractic issues, that until puppy arrived she was managing to live with without anyone really noticing. Dogs are very good at adapting, and sometimes even quite significant issues can go unnoticed. 

You might find nothing, but at least that’s ruled out then. 

Yep all pretty normal. Good advice above. Don’t make too much of the puppy histrionics aside from calmly checking there’s no real damage. There’s usually not! 
 

Goldens like many gundog breeds, are renowned for being quite strong on ‘resource’ guarding ……food, toys, spaces etc. 

Youre getting a lesson in the fact that dogs are free thinking individuals with instinct and drive of their own, and a will to act on them. 
 

often the biggest mistake people make is getting between the natural flow of things when introducing dogs together. 

I understand it might be difficult to crate larger dogs in this situation but I’d honestly prefer my own dogs (if they can be lifted in a carrier) to travel in the carrier. I’ve always crated my dogs in the car. I can’t stand them bouncing about, and when I see my clients attaching their dogs to the seatbelt points, I always think it seems dangerous and uncomfortable. I feel like saying for Christmas sake, get a crate! 

1 hour ago, sandgrubber said:

No question, undisciplined biters are a menace. But it's not spare the rod and spoil the dog.

 

Well behaved, lovable dogs are often taught in ways that are so soft you'd hardly call them discipline, and are treated almost as children.  I doubt there's big overlap between vet-biters and dogs whose owners call them 'furbaby' and allow them on the bed and sofa. 

 

Formal training often isn't required to get a dog to be well mannered and reasonably polite.   Just consistent gentle encouragement/discouragement by the owner.   Often not much more than tone of voice and an occasional push or pull.  Body language,  tone of voice, treats for good behaviour, and patience cause puppies take awhile to catch on to some things.

 

I also thought the tone was a bit punitive.  My favourite way of training for a calm sensible dog is to withdraw attention at the slightest hint of ‘undesirable behaviour’. Watch them try hard to work out what they need to do to get your attention back! Of course the occasional gruff noise or bit of a push but I find the hands off silent ways far far better and lasting for both the dog and the humans! 

Dryer like this

we call them HV (high velocity) or force dryers in grooming. 
 

a thorough bath, blow dry with a HV dryer using a flat ended attachment or large circular attachment. Once thoroughly dry brush through with a slicker brush lifting the coat up or back with your hand in sections and brushing it down. Finish with a medium toothed comb 

the HV dryers make an enormous difference. The budget ones have risen a little in price to low 100 ish now 

we use very powerful dryers upwards of $500 , but the $100 ish dollar ones are fine if you’re just doing a few dogs or one pet now and then. 
 

as someone mentioned above your dog is likely coming into coat change which can get a bit ugly on thick coated dogs. Vigilance and consistency and great tools…… a couple of months his adult coat will settle and then you’ll just get seasonal changes. Desexing really does make a big difference to some BC coats. So so much bigger and thicker, and not as easily shed out. 

If I’m not mistaken poodles are 1 breed categorised by size across the 3 sizes. They are not 3 breeds, rather 1 breed with 3 sizes variants each classed within minimum & maximum height range. … (4 sizes in some parts of the world, where there is a size between mini & standard.  If the dog is destined to be a pet, then I see no issue at all regarding the eventual size of the offspring. As mentioned above double check all the health testing. 

Thank you to the other posters for explaining that dog parks are not ‘socialising’!! I wanted to add that but couldn’t quite get the words right! 

Why take her to a ‘dog park’? She’s obviously not  interested in the other dogs, only their balls, leading to problems. I’d leash walk & Also just play with her on an oval or reserve with a ball on her own. 

I’m seeing a quite disturbing trend of owners actually referring to their dog as ‘son’ and ‘daughter’. 

27 minutes ago, Scarlettsmum said:

Why do you say they're sad and unhealthy? I'd love to read your thoughts.

so many health problems. Big ones of course are MVD and CM /SM   Those alone would be enough to put me off. 

Then there’s eye problems, breathing problems, skin problems, ear problems, structural issues, feet tend to break down, naso-digital  hyperkeratosis is pretty common, short life span and as a groomer I can tell you many of them have insane coats once desexed. Many of them bark a LOT too! 

you might be lucky and get one of those things, or some of those things, or pretty much all of those things. 
I find they start off fairly vibrant happy little things with nice coats but go down hill pretty fast. 
I really wish it were different. They have lovely temperaments if you’re after a fairly soft dog, but that’s where it ends for me 

The only way to actually diagnose CM is with MRI scanning read by someone who really knows a thing about it. I truly believe ALL registered CKCS should be scanned at a certain age as a routine health test before breeding. 
CM is a condition of degrees. The dog doesn’t have to have major visible symptoms like screaming and air scratching to be affected. Breeders who say ‘ oh my dogs are not affected’ are usually basing this on how their dogs behave and the feedback they have on pups they’ve bred. The ONLY way they can honestly say they’ve done all they can is if they scan their breeding dogs. 
As a groomer of over 30 yrs, I honestly wouldn’t go near the breed. One of the saddest unhealthiest breeds I can think of from what I’ve seen on my grooming table over the years. 

Yes there was some sort of loophole that saw dogs being sent to WA but I don’t know if that loophole has been fixed. 

My 2 cents worth on Goldie’s …as a groomer of 36 yrs I’ve seen the majority of Goldens ‘that Ive handled’ decline into gigantic stupidly over coated dogs with little emotional control, manifesting in over the top unmanageable exuberance or timidity edged with aggression. That’s before structural issues are even mentioned. Personally I rate them pretty low on my list of desirable pet dogs.  My vet once called them a ‘bite with a smile’ breed so unable to control their emotions that they’d be wagging their butt off one end while chewing your face off up the other end. Pretty sad. 

@WoofnHoof  during my 2 forays into the show ring during the mid 80’s and again in the 2000’s, I encountered multiple breeders who’d get really pretty shitty if a dog they’d bred won against them!! Seriously! They’d alienate and cold shoulder people they’d sold their own stock to who’d subsequently started winning against them. Why the hell wouldn’t you be proud as punch that a dog you’d sold came out and won, often with an inexperienced handler….. defied belief!  

@asal I actually nearly included in my above posts how back in the 80’s working for one of the top winning kennels of the day, with a geneticist no less, at the helm, mostly the plainest of bitches were retained for breeding. Good sound typey balanced examples of their breed, no major exaggeration or particular leaning. Most of their breeding bitches were either lightly or never shown, but produced consistently for both the show ring and the companion home. These days it seems the worth of a breeding dog is assessed largely on how many grand champions are behind it. People seem to have forgotten the gentle art of actually looking over the dog in front of them and having the courage to know what to do with it, rather relying on the opinions of judges and bowing the pressure of popular opinions & peers.  

Yep! Absolutely fine if anyone want to be part of the purebreed standardised breeding establishment, but realise that can be done concurrently with other ways. The ANKC, KC, AKC, FCI etc, don’t have ownership over everything dogs. It seems a surprise to some that others can produce worthy animals. 
Informed or not, for better or worse, the general dog owning public have turned their backs on purebreed pedigree dogs en masse. Bemoaning this is not the way to swing things back to said pedigree dogs. 
I actually think it’s just inevitable ‘evolution’ to the contemporary , which, in time, will & should, give way to the contemporary. 

The likelihood of a pet owner even with a superb specimen, actually managing to follow through with showing and succeed there, is minuscule, for a variety of reasons. The judges are there to hopefully deny the opportunity for the poor quality pup to succeed in the ring. 
The issue I see so often with the purebred system is the blinkered attitude that the ONLY worthy dogs, full stop, exist ONLY within the purebred system, and that no one else has the ability to breed dogs responsibly, or produce dogs with any worth.

I said here once before, that I challenge that the farmer with the mixed breed smooth coat working ‘border collie’ that works hard for years, produces the next generation of sound hard working dog, saves him the wages of many workers, and also gives him quality companionship, values his dog as much, maybe entirely more, than the breeder/exhibitor of the purebreed border collie with a wall of ribbons and certificates and grand champions in every corner of the family tree. 
Perfection is subjective. 
 

It’s certainly helped reduce the already restricted available gene pools within breeds……

It continues to amaze me the level of control many purebreed breeders desire over the puppies they produce. With mandatory desexing  laws and ever increasing controls on the everyday average pet dog owner, the likelihood is that the vast majority of your pups will go into genuine loving pet homes and never be bred. ANS SO BLOODY WHAT if they did land in a home where they were bred from. What does that take away from you? How does that affect your dogs, your potential? 
By purebreed dogs ending up breeding outside of the ANKC we keep a bit of diversity, which is by its very nature, is necessary to promote and preserve ALL dogs. 
I used to have both feet planted firmly in the purebreed camp, but then I started to grasp the inherent problem with the dogged pursuit of purity and the determination to judge something within such a restricted ideal that is ‘the breed standards’. It’s absolutely nonsensical. The only way forward is mixed breeding and at the very least, outcrossing . 
I love a beautiful example a purebreed as much as the next person, but the truth is, it is not sustainable in its current format. 
Limited register …….look at the actual name of it even…..LIMITED !! 

We’ve basically had this in SA for a few years now. 
anyone can be a registered breeder if they give some money to DACO (Dogs & Cats online) ANKC breeders have to be registered with both. 
 

So nice to see common sense prevail. 
As much as anyone can love & appreciate any purebred animal, the idea of purity is inherently flawed. 

I’d take it this way……. ‘purebreed’ dogs are only ‘pure’ by pedigree. They can be traced back through recorded pedigree for a certain amount of time, as only being bred into the gene pool of that particular breed.
Most outcrosses are deemed ‘pure’ again after 5 generations back to the original  breed, although there’s always a chance of throwback features popping up. 
Purebreeds that have never been outcrossed since the breed was standardised, can still occasionally have throw back features pop up, because all breeds were created by mixing dogs to begin with…….

I really don’t understand why the price of puppies is such a weird thing to ask as the very first question. What’s the problem with wanting to know if the pup is in your range of affordability immediately. Cuts through a whole lot of time wasting in my opinion. Why go through a whole warm and fuzzy back story with a potential buyer to then have them stumble at the last hurdle, price. 
that would be like all the clothes in a shop not being priced, trying them all on, then realising you can’t afford any the ones that fit, the ones you like,  or the ones you want. Or none of the appliances on the shelf at Harvey Norman being priced, asking the salesperson to spend 45 mins running you through all the specs on the ones you’re interested in, only to find you can’t afford any of them. 

 

Keeping these dogs in any sort of proximity to each other even with fences doors pens carefully managed etc, it’s akin to making them live in a domestic violence relationship. 
While ever Rebel is still your dog, Sam is living on eggshells. It’s not fair. 

If you can give an approximate location I’m sure people here can recommend a canine chiropractor/ acupuncturist etc etc. 

Im in SA and there are some brilliant ones here. So I’m sure there are some great ones within reach of you. 
personally I prefer ones with a veterinary background rather than a ‘pet therapist’ for a few reasons. 
it’s probably not the exact recommendation you were looking for, but no matter what the issue with your dogs hindquarter, alternative services like these can offer real insight, real relief, real management. If your dog is lame for any length of time, that will flow through to other issues unless we’ll managed. 

The sale hasn’t gone through yet. 
The breeder has transferred the deposit to the new prospective buyer/owner so in essence they’ve only paid a deposit too. I wouldn’t think you’d get a refund until the puppy sale is complete and it’s gone to its new home. If the breeder doesn’t do what they’ve agreed at that point I’d start to worry a bit. 
if you’ve got paperwork stating your original deposit and also regarding the deposit transfer you might have a leg to stand on. If you don’t, it may be a lesson to take forward 

good luck