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On 10/01/2021 at 5:11 PM, Dogsfevr said:

Not surprising he does the nipping being brushed but something you need to start being more in control off .Your puppy should not be nipping even at that age whilst being brushed .

Walking wise puppy can walk out the front onleash ,we walk our puppies for lead training pre homing out the front from 6 weeks .

Seeing the world,seeing cars ,hearing noises is a must .

Most vets explain it wrong there.

 

Grooming wise find a groomer early who will get the pup into a good routine early .

As a groomer most leave it till 6 months and bring a nippy ,untrained pup for there groom .

Where do you brush the pup .It doesn’t get to tell you what it wants ,brushing is fir life let it take control now and you will have an unpleasant 12 odd years ahead .

 

We tell our puppy owners to buy a non slip matt,place on washing machine or bench and brushing/touch time / feet,eyes,ear checks happen there .

 

Most people brush on the lounge,there lap or flip them upside down.

Great advice about putting him on the washing machine as I found that when I washed and blow dried him the other day on the top of the machine he was fine with me brushing him there and using the hair dryer, come to brushing him in the lounge etc it was not going to happen, he kept trying to bite the brush like it was a game. 
I will persevere though and hopefully take control of that one, like you said it’s a life long thing he will have to get used to it. 

He has his first proper groom in a couple of weeks to get him used to going regularly. 
fingers crossed it’s not too traumatic for the poor little bugger. Lol! 

Thanks for everyone’s advice. 
I have found in the last week that the “time out” putting him in a separate play pen or my laundry/kitchen gated area, when he gets too cheeky and bitey is proving to be most effective for our little nipper.

He is also starting to understand that if he does it we remove ourselves and stop playing with him. 

I also feel that he’s starting to have much more calm and relaxed time than what he was a week ago. Lots of patting with no nipping where as we couldn’t even really pat him without him going in for a good nip before. Lol! 

Fingers crossed it fazes out over the next few months. 

Thanks again for all the advice from everyone.
It’s all been taken on board and it’s much appreciated. 

2 hours ago, Tassie said:

No worries  ....  we've all done that sort of thing.   And the forums can be a little overwhelming till you get used to theml

 

 By the way, your little one is a bit cute!! 

Thank you. 

Thank you! Didn’t realise at the time there was a ‘puppy chat’ discussion when I posted on general.  Lol! 

4 hours ago, Tassie said:

I'd just add a couple of things to what @Papillon Kisses  and @Dogsfevr have said.    General rules of thumb for puppy/dog training ... try to manage the environment so that puppy is most likely to succeed, try not to let the pup practise behaviours you don't want to see again, and focus on what you would like to see.

 

So in the case of puppy biting .. definitely encourage the puppy to develop and practise calm  - and associating that with routines, crate/xpen and safe chew toys will benefit you and the puppy not only in relation to the biting, but also in generl management of the pup even as an adult. (My almost 4 year old cray cray BC girl was desexed on Monday .. so much easier to protect her from damaging stitches because she has a good grasp of being calm.   

 

My go to for puppy biting was to have a house littered with legitimate chew items - cardboard tubes out of paper towel rolls, squashed plastic water.mill bottles .. etc. etc., so that wherever I was, I could quickly interrupt a biting puppy with something low key .. Oops,  I don't think so,  Excuse me .. all of which you can easily say in a calm tone, while I reach for a legitimate chew obhsct and engage the puppy in play with the toy, and then try to leave pup with the toy for a while..   If you do this every time, the pup gets used to what is OK and what is not appreciated, and still can enjoy playing with you.

Thank you for your advice. 
I think your spot on with focusing on practising the good behaviours and possibly managing his environment more. 
 
 

6 hours ago, Dogsfevr said:

First off you need to address what the humans are doing and before you say nothing you all need to accept there is 2 parts here .

often the behaviour is cute for a few days ,human starts something puppy gets over stimulated humans decide puppy is naughty and needs stopping .

 

puppy pens are a great tool but not for punishment or being told off whilst being placed in it especially if the humans have joint responsibility in creating the end result.

 

Puppy pens are great for puppy time out,calm time,sleep time and learning to be on it’s on time .

It has its chew toys in there to enable it to have fun and just settle without the drama and reactions off humans often fluffing about adding to the pups reaction .

 

 

So what the pup needs to learn is self control,this happens during calmtouch time,calm brush time and just sitting calmly.

Pups learns reward on being taught the right behaviour.

 

When most people pat dogs they insist on doing so at the top off the head pup gets mouthy human pulls hand away and tries again and pup responds again ,human created reward .

 

Start teaching tricks ,direct puppy to simple tricks to use its brain,spin,walk backwards so many options off breaking that moment and creating a listening aspect instead .

 

Humans need to learn to stop flapping hands or allowing the “ oh it’s cute moment” .

 

Pup sounds like it’s enjoying the game but has no idea it’s not a game .

So what activities do you do with pup training wise,how is brushing and combing going,lead training 

I started training with him pretty much as soon as we got him. 

He has learnt to sit, shake, lay down and we are currently working on stay. 
He is highly intelligent and I’m finding he picks up things quickly, although when it comes to stopping the nipping at the moment he doesn’t seem to respond. 

He is very good on a lead, although I have not taken him outside of our yard as he only had his second vaccination last week and I was told by the vet to wait 7-10 days before taking him out for a walk in the neighbourhood, so I’ll be able to take him next week which will be great for him I think. 

As for brushing he doesn’t like it, I brush him every second day and he finds it to be a game I think and nips etc. 

Something we definitely have to work on. 
 

I think the puppy pen as a time out space is a good idea as few people have mentioned. 
He does have a crate but I may add on a pen so it’s more of a bigger area for him. 
 

Thanks for all you advice. Much appreciated. 

6 hours ago, Papillon Kisses said:

Yelping/saying no either increases arousal, making things worse, or frightens your puppy. 

Rather than writing a lengthier post, watch and implement the things in the below video. Kikopup has lots of excellent, up-to-date content around puppy raising. https://m.youtube.com/user/kikopup/featured

 

Where people come undone is often the (physiological) arousal and management piece. Be proactive and set your pup up with activities, especially in peak bitey times. Ensure he has adequate sleep and quiet time. Don’t constantly amp him up. And teach him to settle and be calm around exciting things... like your hands.

 

If you haven’t yet enrolled in a good puppy preschool, which I suspect is the case given you’ve asked this question, please do so. Trainers are starting to see a lot of young dogs with behaviour problems due to pups and owners (needlessly) missing out on learning critical skills due to covid. You can find a good trainer on the PPGA website, some even have online offerings. A good puppy preschool is not about puppy mosh pits. And no this can’t wait until your puppy has all his vaccinations (see the AVSAB position statement on puppy socialisation).

 

Hope this helps. Do we get a photo of your little land shark?  

 

 

 

Thank you for all your advice. 
I will definitely check out the you tube video you posted. Much appreciated. 

He is enrolled in puppy school, we start next week so I’m sure they can also give me some more information also. 

This is our cheeky little devil. Lol!

33 minutes ago, Pucapo said:

I believe in using a "time out" pen when unwanted behaviour continues. Use a firm No and place pup in the pen when he nips. 

 

Thank you. I will try this and see if it improves. 

1 hour ago, tdierikx said:

My first step would be a full vet checkup to make sure he doesn't have an underlying medical issue. If he hurts somewhere, he may be objecting to being handled.

 

T.

Thanks T. 
Ive had him fully vet checked and there seems to be no medical reason or soreness, I think it’s just something he does?

Hi all,

I was hoping someone could offer some advice on puppy biting and nipping. 

It has been some time since I’ve owned a puppy and don’t remember any of my previous dogs/puppies biting and nipping as much as my now almost 12 week old mini poodle pup. 

We have had him about 3 weeks and after a few days in, he settled in and he started biting and nipping everyone. 
Anyone that pats or plays with him is under attack! Lol! 

Now, I know puppies nip,chew and bite as they are teething but I feel he constantly bites and nips at everyone to the point of not being able to be played or patted a lot of the time as it just gets too much and we all end up with cuts, scratches and bite marks. 

We’ve tried yelping when he does it, saying “no” in a stern voice and giving him lots of different chew toys as a distraction but he just doesn’t seem fazed at all and continues nipping and biting at us. 
 

He also occasionally growls at me when he is in a really nipping mood. 

Any advice on how to deal with this issue would be much appreciated. 

Please note that I understand he’s just a puppy and play nipping/ biting is normal but I also want to make sure I’m also setting the correct behaviours when dealing with this for when he gets older. 
 

Thanks in advance. 

Hi all,

I was hoping someone could offer some advice on puppy biting and nipping. 

It has been some time since I’ve owned a puppy and don’t remember any of my previous dogs/puppies biting and nipping as much as my now almost 12 week old mini poodle pup. 

We have had him about 3 weeks and after a few days in, he settled in and he started biting and nipping everyone. 
Anyone that pats or plays with him is under attack! Lol! 

Now, I know puppies nip,chew and bite as they are teething but I feel he constantly bites and nips at everyone to the point of not being able to be played or patted a lot of the time as it just gets too much and we all end up with cuts, scratches and bite marks. 

We’ve tried yelping when he does it, saying “no” in a stern voice and giving him lots of different chew toys as a distraction but he just doesn’t seem fazed at all and continues nipping and biting at us. 
 

He also occasionally growls at me when he is in a really nipping mood. 

Any advice on how to deal with this issue would be much appreciated. 

Please note that I understand he’s just a puppy and play nipping/ biting is normal but I also want to make sure I’m also setting the correct behaviours when dealing with this for when he gets older. 
 

Thanks in advance. 

21 minutes ago, Dogsfevr said:

Your breeder will be your person off knowledge and will tell you what it’s been feed,how many meals,current quantities after all there feeding the pup in question .

Keep in mind you will get many confusing answers to you post .

Some breeds diets can be more breed specific.

If wanting to feed raw make sure you feed a correct balanced raw .

 

Also keep in mind any diet transitions should be done slowly in case your puppy ends up with the runs .

 

Do you know what the breeder feeds .?
Talk to them after all if you feed something else when pup arrives home and it gets the runs or sick the first person you will call is the breeder so .

 

Our diet is part of our puppy guarantee which is in the contract and we also have a section about requiring a change and informing us .

We went with this path after puppy owners going on there own and getting it wrong .

Most vets will sell what they stock and most vets aren’t savvy with breed diets relating to growth ,high cholesterol etc .

 

Ask your breeder about diet now and go from there 

 

 

Thanks for your advice. 

It sounds like the best thing to do is to ask the breeder and follow on with what they are feeding with. 

I agree with you that vets really only sell you what they stock not what may actually be better for your dog, I think the same goes for worming and flea products from the vet. 

21 minutes ago, tdierikx said:

Milk is not necessary or advised... especially if feeding a balanced diet for said pup. You don't want ot overdo calcium intake on a growing pup.

 

Best to follow the diet advised by the breeder, and any changes you wish to make should be done slowly to reduce any the chance of tummy upsets.

 

The best advice I ever received about feeding was to feed whatever the dog did well on... *grin*

 

Each dog is different in it's needs, so it can be hard to advise a one shoe fits all solution. Some dogs do great on expensive premium foods and others don't... same with raw feeding that can be fiddly to get the nutrient balances just right for each individual dog.

 

Maybe once you have your new friend, you could discuss feeding etc with your vet?

 

T.

Thanks for your advice. 

I’ll speak to the breeder and follow on with whatever they are feeding. 

Hi all,

I’m so happy I’ll be bringing a mini poodle pup into our home in mid December.

i just wanted to get some thoughts on puppy feeding since it’s been some time since I owned a pup. 

The breeder will supply me info with the puppy pack but just looking for thoughts on food companies that are good, raw feeding etc. 

Is it good to also include something like a goats milk or not for a couple of months while the pup is growing?

How often and how much would you feed your pup? 

Dry food/wet food? 

Obviously I just want to do the best I can for our little family member so any advice is much appreciated. 

Thanks in advance. 

On 16/09/2020 at 1:54 PM, Rascalmyshadow said:

Good luck to the OP hopefully it works out for you but clearly you have not considered or acknowledged my post which gives the honest truth, they are a breed I adore and would love to own again but until my youngest daughter is a teenager I would never risk bringing another one into my house.

 

They are great dogs in the right environment and if I was so desperate to have one with a young child then a small standard would be the best choice.

I appreciate your advice and everyone else who has responded to my question, that’s exactly why I posted on here, to get honest answers from people that have either owned or know both breeds well like yourself.

i believe there is a risk with any dog that you bring into your home but I feel I’ve done my research as best I can, not by just posting on here, but speaking with both breeders and owners and gaining a lot of different perspectives, also preparing my son for the possible arrival of a pup/dog too. 

Thanks for the advice about the small standard, definitely something to consider. 

9 hours ago, felix said:

We had a mini poodle when our sons were growing up. Benji was following them everywhere doing everything with them. He was just great. Benji was such a brilliant little dog that our friends fell in love with him and got two poodles themselves.

Boys grew up and left and Benji was tragically killed by a much bigger dog. We now have another mini poodle, girl this time and she is great too. So friendly and smart, much more subtle in everything that Benji. We are thinking of getting another one as well.

Not much experience with schnauzers though. I don;t know how different are they between sizes, but I did grooming  in Europe ages ago, and some of the giant ones were somewhat scary. We had a terrier long time ago, and while we loved her to bits she was stubborn and sometimes aggressive towards other dogs. She was also destructive at times.

I hope this helps.

Thanks for your reply.

I totally agree with you about the giant schnauzers, they definitely do look intimidating.

I honestly think that both breeds are great dogs, which is what made my decision between the 2 so hard. (Hence my post on here) 

But I’ve finally made up my mind after many, many months that a miniature poodle is a good fit for myself and my family. 

Now I just have to find one, I think my name is down on just about every mini poodle breeder list there is. Lol! 

Very hard to find at at the moment due to covid, but it’ll be worth the wait when I eventually get one. 

Hello, 

Im in search of a miniature poodle breeder that breeds red or dark apricot miniature poodles. 

After many months of researching breeds and gaining lots of information I have decided that a mini poodle is definitely perfect for our small family. 

I’m from Melbourne but not opposed to the idea of transporting from interstate if available.

If anyone is having a litter in the future and I could be put on your waiting list I would be so grateful. 

I’m happy to provide any questions or information you may need in doing so. 

Any information provided would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks in advance 

K

6 hours ago, Selkie said:

I have young kids and have a Standard Schnauzer. I was worried that the mini would be too small, and therfore frightened by busy kids. She's been excellent with them - She has an endless sense of fun, and being a confident dog, enjoys (closely supervised) running and chasing games.

A standard is about the size of a lab or golden retriever isn’t it? Just leaner? 

25 minutes ago, Cosmolo said:

Some may find this bizarre bit if you get a mini schnauzer, I’d look for a salt and pepper rather than a black. I have consistently found temperament differences between the colours with the blacks being much sharper and more reactive. 
 

Just my experience as a trainer!

Interesting. Good to know. 

55 minutes ago, mackiemad said:

I've not had a poodle but I have a mini schnauzer and though he's absolutely perfect for me and I adore him, he's never been what I'd describe as a tolerant dog. Funny, routine oriented, smart, motivated, adaptable, busy, opinionated and suprisingly gentle for a terrier type (though still much sharper, impatient and more independent than previous herding breeds I owned, and not at all interested in people other than his people) but tolerant is not a word I'd use to describe him. He's had the moniker the fun police since he was a youngster - he has to sanction play and there is a time and place for play and it's when he says it is!  That goes for people but dogs too. He takes himself off to bed early and will come out and stare you down if you're being too loud after his bed time. Not tolerant at all 

 

So I guess going in knowing the hard to live with parts of a dog is most important. I'd probably go with a cavalier if I had young kids, never met one that wasn't tolerant.

He sounds like a real character! 

Cavaliers are beautiful dogs, I probably would’ve had them on my list if they were hypoallergenic. 

38 minutes ago, Papillon Kisses said:

No advice about breeds, but for lots of good content re kids & dogs, check out Family Paws Parent Education, Stop the 77 (your son may like their I Speak Doggie song), and Reisner Veterinary Behaviour.

Thanks for that. 

I will definitely check those out. 

I agree that waiting for the right breeder is the best thing to do, luckily I’m not in a hurry and I’m happy to wait. 

I’ve seen both schnauzers and poodles advertised on the trading post and the like but I’d prefer a registered ethical breeder to ensure I get the best possible pup I can. 

Plus still after several months I’m unsure of the exact breed I want. Lol! 

Ive also heard from some breeders online that you also have to be more cautious who you sell pups to during this time as like you said it’s not a spare of the moment thing, also some people are buying pups and up selling them on other sites for ridiculous prices making it harder for legitimate people.

41 minutes ago, Dogsfevr said:

Nope no matter what the breed its parental supervision & realistic expectations & ensuring the pup/dog has a safe area set up for its own time out from a toddler is what makes the final outcome .
The most bomb proof pup can end up fearful & an issue if the humans arent paying attention to warning signs & its tolerance level.
As they say the dog is only as good as the owners

I have read some good reviews on crate training and also making it a safe haven place where the pup/dog can go if it needs time away to rest and relax away from my toddler or any stimulation. 

I agree I will also have to be alert and watch out for signs too. 

Covid has definitely made it harder to find either breed at the moment but at least it gives me more time to ensure we have more areas covered prior to bringing our new family member home. 

3 hours ago, Dogsfevr said:

 

Thanks for your reply.

I totally agree with you that it will ultimately come down to my parental guidance and teaching him how to handle and interact with a dog to help create a bond and trust between them.

I’m prepared to be teaching my toddler first and foremost. 

I was just hoping there would be something that stood out in one breed over the other that could help me make a decision between the 2. 

Hi all,

i was hoping someone could help me to decide on which is a better fit for me and my family. 

Ive read so much about both breeds and they seem to be very equal in all aspects. 

We are a family of 3, my son is almost 4 years old. 

He is very active and we are almost always outdoors. 

I’m a stay at home mum so the dog will not be on it’s own very much.

We frequent parks and go for daily walks.

Which breed and sex has a better temperament with young children? 

I’m hoping that which ever breed I choose my son and dog will be close and grow up together. 

Any information or feedback (good or bad) is much appreciated. 

Thanks in advance. 

K