paul1

33 minutes ago, sandgrubber said:

IMO limited register should ONLY be used to prevent breeding of dogs that shouldn't be bred from, especially for reasons of health OR temperament.  Problem: Many such things cannot be identified by 8 weeks. 

As stands the two tiered register is used for various things.  Increasing revenue.  Preventing competition.   Perpetuating some interpretation of a breed standard.

Pretty stupid.  The system needs a major overhaul.   I'm not optimistic it's getting one any time soon.

The more i look the more i think its about revenue , and preventing competition ,, Like i said the pedigree dogs i bought years ago , the breeders kept in touch loved the way there pups turned out and wanted to show or breed them it was me who declined , hey were proud of there good stock ,, but the choice was mine because i payed a premium for a pedigree , instead of a bitza from the pound , but has far has i'm concerned there  shooting themselves in the foot ,,, creating a system wheres theres a lack of good pedigree pups , entices others to  fill the gap

Look on gumtree at the mastiffs , i've rang a few , they want 2-3000 dollars for a mongrel ,   cross a neopolitin mastiff  with an bullmastiff all you want its not a pedigree  its a cross of two similar but different breeds , but yet they ask and recieve so much money because the mastiffs  will be more ,  ,  so go get a pedigree and be told ltd papers , you cannot show it if you wish ,  whats the point go get the cross and just haggle with the byb on price ,

I personaly want an older dog , i've answered a few  from breeders wanting to rehome there out of date bitches , thinking yep i'll give them a good home ,,,  I'm being told , you will have to get it desexed , not a problem , i want it desexed ,  no papers  not a problem i want a pet  not a showdog ,,, price 2500-3000   get stuffed for a 4 year old rotty that will only live 3-5  YEARS MORE ANYWAY ,,, i SHAKE MY HEAD AND THINK  AND THERE AGAINST PUPPY FARMS  they breed a few litters and then discard ,  and still want top dollars ,, the whole industry needs a shake up

Its eletist ,,, Sam my old shepard , the breeder told me you ever want to  put him out to stud , with his pedigree  give me first option to keep his line going ,  , Ebony my rotty Breeder who sold her me once again  wanted first choice if i wanted to breed her ,  , like i said not interested , but  for the top dollar  i'm stuffed if i would pay  huge amounts and be told i'm not allowed to show and MUST desex my dog ,, if its worth the money far has i'm concerned its worth keeping the line going IF I CHOOSE ,  On the other hand demanding  you de sex  the dog you buy for huge amounts and no mains registrar , to me that just means either there dogs do not conform to a high standard OR they don't want competition ,, and  i reiterate , i will not show or breed a dog , but if i wanted too    i should'nt be stopped

Its just like  Porche  telling the world they have the fastest car ,  Asking  a million dollars for there  top of the range car , but tell you if you buy one , then  its goverened to only do 100 klm p hr  because they don't want you going fast ,

Looking at the sale of dogs and can't help but wonder , whats with this mains and un mains sales ,,  In the past  over 35-38 years  i've purchased a springer spaniel ,, then 2 boxers , then a staffie , then a shepard , then a rotty then another rotty , last rotty  being 15 years ago , all from breeders ,, and every single one of them have been fantastic dogs true to there breed and a credit to the breeders , all  fantastic looking dogs ,, now all of them  came with a pedigree and were bought and kept has pets ,, I'm not interested in the showing or breeding ,, dipped my toes and found it was  a bitchy   scene suited to women  who like to gossip  men has well .

But one thing  that stood out about all of them was i bought a pedigree , i paid top dollar for a pedigree  and i got the papers , and the right to show , or breed if i wanted too , thats why i payed out top dollar , my staffie the breeder seen him and virtually begged me to show him , thats when i dipped my toes , and did'nt like it ,  then they wanted to pay me to use him has a stud , but naaw he was a pet only  , but point is all of them breeders bred great sppecemins and all of them were proud of there dogs  and wanted them shown , 

Now i'm looking for another dog  and keep coming across ltd registar only  ,  get stuffed if i'm gonna pay top dollar for a dog thats supposed to be  top shelf i want the right to breed or show IF I WANT TO ,, ok,,, can tell you now i never would because i could'nt be bothered but if i'm asked to fork out 4 grand  i excpect too ,, I had a conversation with a breeder , that went along the lines of ,  my dogs  are not to be used by byb , when i asked  which of her two dogs  had won competitions , answer was  we don't show them , Ok which had won   agility , or anything else ,  we don't do that ,,  so my question is what makes your dog worth that money , because you have only threw two together  and claim to be a breeder , Has far has i'm concerned its just cutting out any competition so she can inflate prices   , Like i said i don't want to show , or breed ,  but if i decided i do , then i want to be able too for the money i payed ,,  otherwise   what do you do , Go on gumtree  look and wait at the pound and buy  a byb dog  with no pedigree if you see the parents  , you know what they are , if its from the pound , you know what they are if you know your dogs .

Breeders of old i bought of were proud of there dogs , wanted you to show them , wanted you to keep the line going , and  you paid for it , but if they had a  dog that did'nt conform  you payed a bit less , so what its a pet who cares  if its got a floppy ear ,,, Now alls i see is   mostly people in a bitchy scene who have 2 dogs they throw together and they want the money  associated with pedigree dogs , but don't want you to show them or breed them , because i suspect a lot are beneath standard , 

Rant over ,  my little dog will get a big playmate who will get a loving home for all his life , but i'm stuffed if i'll pay 3,, 4 ,,, 5 grand to line some   unemployed ,single mothers pocket just because  she says she's a breeder  and  yes before you all carry on  , i've looked at 7 dogs and 5 of them have been  unemployed or single mothers  claiming to be breeders , but of course  main reistrar  papers don't go with the dogs ,,, If these peanuts think i'm stupd enough to believe they have imprted semon or payed big money for  there dogs ,  pigs can fly

Your all dog lovers so thought i'd share this story . Sit back go get a brew its more like a novel LOL ,, OK  Lets go back  over 30    years , I had a staffie called Toby and decided he needed a play mate , So i went and bought this long haired shepard , breeder  told me , he was not good to show because he was long haired and toooo big ,,  who cares he was a pet ,, anyway Sam  (his name ) turned into the biggest softest    shepard you ever seen ,  my youngest 2 at the time used to play cowboys with him all day ,  they slept together  Sam actually used to lie down while the baby got on his back said gee up  doggies  and walked around the garden with him ,,, anyway the  staffie left us , and not long after  i rescued another beutiful dog , needing a home ,  a big rottweiler bitch ,, her and sam became best mates , all good   , But Sam had one BIG PROBLEM ,   he was too freindly ,  on the dog beach  let him have a run and boom he's gone running up to any and everyone  only wanting a pat and a play ,, but he was scary  he was so big .  , I used to walk them both for hrs each day , but could'nt really take Sam near people , has freindly has he was ,  he just would'nt stop running up and mainly scaring people through his size and looks

Anyway forward a couple of years , and we moved ,   but unfortunatly  the fences were ricketty racketty  and falling down , the  road at the rear of our street   the end of a long garden  was easy accessable ,  now   both dogs  could get out and i did'nt have the money to fix them ,, now the rotty was never a problem  she did'nt  want to leave the garden and when outside ,  just lay by the back door , Sam however was  a problem , if he seen anyone walking past at the end , he was off , and people would see what resembles a bear running full blast at them , it scared the life out of hthem  , i did'nt have the money  and i was never gonna chain him up , so felt i had no choice but to give away  , the most gentle dog and my best mate ,  , so i gave him away .  it broke my heart but felt i had no choice  he was around 7 then

Now every man and his dog wanted Sam ,,  but i picked a young couple  they had a shepard  and wanted a playmate ,, alarm bells should of rang when they asked for his papers ,, and i told them  you can't have them , he's a pet not a breeder  but the bells did'nt ring i was just glad he seemed to be going to a nice home .

Anyway fast forward another  5 years  Ebony is coming to the end she's getting old    and its not long before she's like 10 and she goes ,,  by then  the fences were done , evrything is fine ,  about 4 months before Ebony died i had got another rotty pup  , when she went ,  i thought i'll go get him a playmate , i've always owned 2 dogs ,,,

Now one thing i've forgot to mention about Sam , was he ALWAYS from day 1 , had a very loud and very ditinctive moan , he would cuddle up want a pat and just sort of wale and moan   whenever you patted him he would do this moan .

Anyway  i'm gonna get my puppy rotty a mate  , so off i go to the Lonsdale rspca   i went a few times ,  not knowing what i would get but seeing whats on offer  and on this day i'm walking  up and down the kennels and heard this moan ,  i listened  looked in all the kennels  but  it was'nt them dogs , but i could here it ,  anyway theres a wall i determin its coming from the other side , i'm thinking THATS SAM  so i jumps  // climbs on top of the wall  and guesss who's there playing ball , with a volunteer ,,  i shouts SAM   he looks  comes charging over and trying to jump up to me ,,  he recognised me and me him  he was around 12 then and  it had been 5 years or so .

Well off i marched into the office , i said , straight out ,, you got my dog i want him back ,, they all looked at each other like i'm a madman , i explained , that when i let him go the fella was under strict instructions , to NEVER SELL OR GIVE HIM AWAY , the agreement was he could keep Sam , but he wa always mine and came back if they changed there mind ,

 So next day , RSPCA  RING ME  they start asking questions  do i remember who i gave him too , where did they live , what did they  look like ,,  i answered but said never mind them i want my dog back ,,  an officer from them came to see me and brought pictures of SAM  he was not the same dog , the pics they shown me were of a  scaggy looking thing with no fur and totally totally emancinated ,,  it was a terrible case of neglect ,,, they explained they could'nt return him because Sam was still an ongoing court case  they were prosecuting the guy ,, but he had continually claimed he found him like that with a skin desease and  tried to  fix him ,  they said the guy was a smart arse  , and knew all the answers

Anyway few days go by    i was so angry i actually went to the guys adress   he had left with me still had it in  my telephone book ,  dispite the wife pleading with me not too , i went there to give him a flogging and a taste of his own medicine  i was really angry , lucky for me i suppose  he had moved , Rspca would'nt tell me where  , Anyway the rspca  asked me would i testify ,,  and   they were sure with   my testimony they would have him ,, bloody oath i will ,, i said , but to be honest  i told the wife , when he walks out of that court i'm gonna give him the biggest flogging of his life , i was still spewing and angry for weeks

So the court date is given to  me ,  i'm preparing to go and see this prick get his just deserts after all these years , both in and out the court , the wifes worried because she knows i'm determinned to take my revenge regardless ,     ,   we have about a week to go , and i get a phone call from the head of the RSPCA  , he  / she  can't remember  says to me ,,   that Paul ,  yep i say ,, they say your dog Sams at the Lonsdale shelter   come and get him he's waiting for you  Whaat i say  they say the case has finished , when the guy learnt  they had a witness mainly me , he pleaded guilty its  finished so now there free to do what they want with the dog and they would  be happy to return him to me ,

I went up got Sam and brought him home , he fully remembered all of us  , he became best mates with my male rotty and lived another 6 years or so , when i had to put him down because he was really just very old ,, 18 i think he was  , think  probably  15  years or so  ago now that he died ,,  the rotty Naz a lovely dog has well  died at about 8    we said no more dogs  ,  its heartbreaking when they go  ,, but i succummbed , i took in a 12 month old  stumpy tail that needed a home ,  but at around 3  i  gave him to my son  where he could get more excercise  with the kids , he's proven to be  a perfect familly dog , loves the kids and  great with the babies ,,   about 5 years ago i rescued a little maltese cross , from the pound , we still have him , but   he's not a proper dog  he's lovable and cute ,   but he's more like having a baby than a dog . he'll always be there ,  , but i look at him   sleeping on his back 15 hrs a day  and on  someones lap  the other 9 hrs ,  well i just look at him laugh and say , we really have to get a proper dog , .

But there will never ever be another Sam ..  just thought i would share that story with you all , a bit long winded , but heh passed some tim writing and reading it ,, some might even remember  think it was this day tonight came and done a story on it  ,, they said it was unbeilivable , that i actually heard the moan / whine and  climbed a wall to see ,

Side note , turns out my mate met a lady , and married her  and she was the one that was actually playing with Sam when i climbed the wall , hows that for coincidence

Question , been reading a bit about the south african dog called a Boerbael , think thats the correct speeling , its like a mastiff only probably bit more energetic ,, are these a proper breed  registered breed in Aust , there not listed in the breeders page 

Attacking a 2 year old ,, no question about it you need rid of that dog , like YESTERDAY  THERS NO WAY IN THE WORLD WOULD I KEEP A DOG WITH INSTINCTS TO BITE A CHILDS FACE ,,, however  , not so sure i would put the dog down just yet ,   i would look  to give  him away to  someone  a bit younger than yoyrself with an energetic lifestyle ,, my mate had a beagle when we were younger  it used to come with us out shooting , that dog would start beying and running with his nose to the ground and keep going like the energizer man all day ,,  I also have a freind lives in the country  20 acres and his beagle does the same , nose to the ground and just walks up and down the hills  all day long ... Thers every chance your dog is just not getting enough excersise , and is bored and stressed ,,, I really would give him to someone with a property and preferably other dogs to play with   where he can get enough excercise and wear himself out each day ,,,,perhaps with the option that if he still shows the same problems , brng him back and then you put him down ,,, BUT REGARDLESS he has to go before he takes your grandaughters nose off   he's a dog he has big teeth and children have soft faces ,