Drumbeat Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) I just phoned my vet's surgery for advice as my 11 month old puppy has had runnier poos than normal for a few days. They improved with chicken and rice for a couple of days but have gone runny again with her normal diet (Artemis dry in the morning and raw meat and veggies at night). The vet nurse took some info and went and spoke to the vet. I was advised to give her chicken and rice for 4 or 5 days then put her back on the dry food only as dogs do not need raw meat When I pointed out that some people would dispute that, she got quite shirty and told me that i had asked for professional advice and this was it. So now I have steam coming out of my ears. I shall just have to make sure that I see the other vet if I have to go in as I'm sure i mentioned I fed raw to him and he didn't comment. Just needed to vent to people who would understand, I thought even vets had more open minds about feeding these days but i was wrong!! Edited February 5, 2009 by Drumbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldens Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I have read on other forums where for some reason raw did not agree with the posters dog. They ended up with dry or home cooked and the dog did well. Makes one wonder what the dog would eat if running wild? I think some vets think raw is great, some think it is okay, some are totally against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBen Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I think they want you to try to eliminate one food at a time... If that stops the runnies, you've found the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I was advised to give her chicken and rice for 4 or 5 days then put her back on the dry food only as dogs do not need raw meat When I pointed out that some people would dispute that, she got quite shirty and told me that i had asked for professional advice and this was it. I'd be fuming too I guess if your dog was in the wild it would catch and BBQ a chicken!!! Professional advice!!! Apparently vets only spend a minuscule portion of their vet training on nutrition and then that is conducted by the pet food companies Hope your pup is feeling better soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushaka Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 i had a dog who had a very sensitive tummy... She was restricted to a specially formulated kibble Hills SD. GRADUALLY i was able to introduce other food. NEVER give your dog canned food like PAL etc, you will guarantee the runs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Actually somebody did tell me to be careful with reintroducing raw after my girl had a tummy upset and these were people who would normally feed raw. Just can't remember what the advice was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumbeat Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) I think they want you to try to eliminate one food at a time... If that stops the runnies, you've found the problem. No, I had to eliminate the meat completely and just feed her dry food. We had this argument for 12 years with our last dog, although we cooked his meat with rice and veggies. I have no problem with feeding the chicken and rice to settle her tum, it was just the blanket statement that dogs should only be fed dry food Edited February 5, 2009 by Drumbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushaka Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 rather than raw meat i generally use Tuna.. Tuna will rarely cause any upset tummies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumbeat Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 rather than raw meat i generally use Tuna.. Tuna will rarely cause any upset tummies I've tried her with small mounts of sardines and salmon before but that has given her the runs (I think it's the oil). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayle. Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Whenever a vet asks me about the dogs diets, I tell them firmly they are fed a balanced diet of raw meaty bones, vegetables, eggs and other whole healthy foods. Generally they don't question it, although I did have one vet tell me they preferred puppies to be fed a commercial puppy food til they were 12 months old. I never ask a vet or a vet nurse what to feed the dogs, because I know exactly what they'll tell me....it's usually in bags piled up as a display in their waiting room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumbeat Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 I'm a bit baffled as to what's causing it as she's had very few problems until now and she tolerated the change to Artemis very well. I have been giving her a spoonful of natural yoghurt in the mornings, I'd better try leaving that out just in case she's lactose intolerant or something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 When Kaos had the runs badly a little while ago, the vet said 4 days on chicken and rice and gradually reintroduce the dry food. Said to give it a week after stomach has settled before giving raw meat again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumbeat Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 When Kaos had the runs badly a little while ago, the vet said 4 days on chicken and rice and gradually reintroduce the dry food. Said to give it a week after stomach has settled before giving raw meat again. Thanks, that sounds like good advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildatHeart Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 rather than raw meat i generally use Tuna.. Tuna will rarely cause any upset tummies I've tried her with small mounts of sardines and salmon before but that has given her the runs (I think it's the oil). What if you tried feeding the sardines and salmon that aren't in oil? But sprinwater instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirra_Bomber_Zeus Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I just phoned my vet's surgery for advice as my 11 month old puppy has had runnier poos than normal for a few days. They improved with chicken and rice for a couple of days but have gone runny again with her normal diet (Artemis dry in the morning and raw meat and veggies at night). The vet nurse took some info and went and spoke to the vet. I was advised to give her chicken and rice for 4 or 5 days then put her back on the dry food only as dogs do not need raw meat When I pointed out that some people would dispute that, she got quite shirty and told me that i had asked for professional advice and this was it. So now I have steam coming out of my ears. I shall just have to make sure that I see the other vet if I have to go in as I'm sure i mentioned I fed raw to him and he didn't comment. Just needed to vent to people who would understand, I thought even vets had more open minds about feeding these days but i was wrong!! Sigh. Some vets have open minds, some are half and half and some are completely closed minded (and, I have to add that what some vets have said to me behind closed doors in the consulting room and what they 'officially recommend' at the counter have been rather different). I find it quite interesting when they get defensive and shirty though, it puts me in mind of people that dont like to be questioned because they might not have all the answers. I usually just tell the vet that I raw feed. If they try and comment I just politely say "well, Ive done my own research and do what I believe is best for my dogs". Only in the last week a friend of mine was told by a vet that puppies absolutely can not eat raw meat (erm, ok, I didnt realise dogs learned to cook in the wild) and at the puppy kindy I am going to in a couple of weeks one of the 'talks' is entitled "no bones - why they are dangerous for your dog". I shall be biting my tounge and just letting my dog socialise - the only reason I actually want him to go anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumbeat Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 I find it quite interesting when they get defensive and shirty though, it puts me in mind of people that dont like to be questioned because they might not have all the answers. It was the vet nurse I was speaking to, passing on the vet's advice, she also commented about not knowing where I got my info from. Couldn't be bothered to tell her I'd spent many hours reading about it although I was tempted to tell her she needed to do a bit of research! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravyk Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I just phoned my vet's surgery for advice as my 11 month old puppy has had runnier poos than normal for a few days. They improved with chicken and rice for a couple of days but have gone runny again with her normal diet (Artemis dry in the morning and raw meat and veggies at night). The vet nurse took some info and went and spoke to the vet. I was advised to give her chicken and rice for 4 or 5 days then put her back on the dry food only as dogs do not need raw meat When I pointed out that some people would dispute that, she got quite shirty and told me that i had asked for professional advice and this was it. So now I have steam coming out of my ears. I shall just have to make sure that I see the other vet if I have to go in as I'm sure i mentioned I fed raw to him and he didn't comment. Just needed to vent to people who would understand, I thought even vets had more open minds about feeding these days but i was wrong!! Sigh. Some vets have open minds, some are half and half and some are completely closed minded (and, I have to add that what some vets have said to me behind closed doors in the consulting room and what they 'officially recommend' at the counter have been rather different). I find it quite interesting when they get defensive and shirty though, it puts me in mind of people that dont like to be questioned because they might not have all the answers. I usually just tell the vet that I raw feed. If they try and comment I just politely say "well, Ive done my own research and do what I believe is best for my dogs". Only in the last week a friend of mine was told by a vet that puppies absolutely can not eat raw meat (erm, ok, I didnt realise dogs learned to cook in the wild) and at the puppy kindy I am going to in a couple of weeks one of the 'talks' is entitled "no bones - why they are dangerous for your dog". I shall be biting my tounge and just letting my dog socialise - the only reason I actually want him to go anyway you must have much better self control then me...i'd have been verbally bashing both times if that happened to me i love your "erm, ok, I didnt realise dogs learned to cook in the wild" quote...can i borrow it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joanne76 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I have a foster kitten who had the runs on and off all the time, she had been wormed and seemed clear. My vet reccomend i feed her nothing but Chicken and acidophilus(sp) yoghurt for 7 days. It worked a treat and so long as I dont let her eat anything too rich her poohs stay solid. I think she has a sensitive tummy. Regarding the vet the same thing happened to me..... I took my brand new Lab puppy to the vet for a once over. Her breeder had fed her and all his animals on a raw diet and I thought I would do the same when i brought her home. I was going to a lot of effort to ensure i was giving her a balanced diet particularly as she was a tiny puppy. The vet tore shreds off me and virtually said that i am an irresponsible owner who shouldnt own pets. She told me to feed a good quality dry food only. I left the surgery with my puppy in my arms and I felt so guilty that i was doing wrong by her that I cried and went straight to the pet shop and brought a bag of food...... I no longer go to that vet but she did make me lose confidence in what I was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaz Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 you must have much better self control then me...i'd have been verbally bashing both times if that happened to me ;) i love your "erm, ok, I didnt realise dogs learned to cook in the wild" quote...can i borrow it? I'm pretty sure dogs did not wear Elizabethan collars in the wild either, but you chose to put one on to protect your dog........times change and people change their way of thinking to help their dogs do better, even dogs change with evolution. The old argument that they did not do it in the wild really does wear a bit thin. I feed my dogs a mixture of raw and kibble, but until I can see scientific evidence or a discussion between suitable qualified professionals, I am not sure which is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisven13 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 My vet is not a supporter of raw food BUT she and I have agreed to disagree. She acknowledges that the way I do it is fine and perfectly healthy for the dogs but her opinion is that the majority of people won't do what I do and will cause damage in that way. She may be true - who knows? If people ask what I feed my dogs I tell them what I feed, tell them to google BARF and read up on it and if they want to know more after reading that to give me a call. I've had a few adopters who now swear by it - each to their own is my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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