oonga Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 ahhhhhhh wish i could get a massage every week Your girls are lucky GSD4eva who do you go to for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSD's 4EVER Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 ahhhhhhh wish i could get a massage every week Your girls are lucky GSD4eva who do you go to for that? Me too .... the dogs' health care comes before me though. The last massage I got was a painful bone cracker that I couldn't walk after from a session at the chiropracter about 8 years ago. They sure love living at "Treat Central", that's for sure. They sleep all afternoon after they come back. It's so quiet in the house, you can hear a pin drop. Where do you live ?? If it's in Melb, I can give you the person's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Time Puppy Owner Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Ok question re vit E and Zinc. Currently my boy Benson is gettng 8 fish capsuls and 4 EPO capsuls a day and one vit E capsuls on Monday's is that enough Vit E for him? Or should I increase this to 2 or 3? Re Zinc - I am feeding chicken, lamb and roo - should I suppliment with zinc tabs once or twice a week as I am not feeding beef? (want to see if after 4 mths of feeding no beef then feeding beef will cause an allergic reaction). Thanks in advance guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomas Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 (edited) Evening all,I haven't read through all 27 pages, but the one thing that caught my eye was feeding your dogs fish oil. Are we talking about fish oil that us human take or is this a specific fish oil for dogs only and if so, where can it be purchased? What are the benefits of feeding your dog fish oil? It negates excess Omega 6 in our and our dogs diets. Yes same as human stuff. Give 1 capsule per 20lbs of dogs weight,though these are the guidelines I use. Fish Oil Recommended dosage is based on a. dogs's weight and b. need. For a "maintenance dose", consider feeding 1(one) 300mg DHA+EPA combined total capsule per 30 (thirty) pounds of dog. --10lb dog would get 1 capsule every other day. --30lb dog would get 1 capsule a day. --50lb dog would get 1 or 2 capsules a day, your choice, no harm in feeding more. --100lb dog would get 3 or 4 capsules a day, your choice. For a "therapeutic" dose (you're addressing a health issue of some sort), consider feeding 1 (one) 300mg DHA+EPA combined total capsule per 10 (ten) pounds of dog. --10lb dog would get 1 capsule a day. --30lb dog would get 3 capsules a day. --50lb dog would get 5 capsules a day. --100lb dog would get 10 capsules a day. Edited August 25, 2009 by tomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLotus Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Ok question re vit E and Zinc. Re Zinc - I am feeding chicken, lamb and roo - should I suppliment with zinc tabs once or twice a week as I am not feeding beef? (want to see if after 4 mths of feeding no beef then feeding beef will cause an allergic reaction). Wow this thread is doing my head in.. so much to take in. Just wondering why beef would cause an allergic reaction? This is going to sound stupid, but would you say that purchasing beef at different butchers may cause your dog to have an allergic reaction? or is beef just beef? I'm just curious, as my dog is going through some skin allergy issues, which I have posted up. Some have advise to take him off red meat for awhile. I believe that this allergy is caused by the wandering jew weeds, however thinking back now, I also purchased mince beef from a different butcher... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomas Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Ok question re vit E and Zinc. Re Zinc - I am feeding chicken, lamb and roo - should I suppliment with zinc tabs once or twice a week as I am not feeding beef? (want to see if after 4 mths of feeding no beef then feeding beef will cause an allergic reaction). Wow this thread is doing my head in.. so much to take in. Just wondering why beef would cause an allergic reaction? This is going to sound stupid, but would you say that purchasing beef at different butchers may cause your dog to have an allergic reaction? or is beef just beef? I'm just curious, as my dog is going through some skin allergy issues, which I have posted up. Some have advise to take him off red meat for awhile. I believe that this allergy is caused by the wandering jew weeds, however thinking back now, I also purchased mince beef from a different butcher... Any meat can cause an allergic reaction. Do you have cause to think beef is an issue for your dog? Also some meat can be enhanced,with preservative,which is often soy or also sodium of some kind. That is most likely what would cause a reaction. My guys do WAY better on meat from large ungulates than they do from chicken. On chicken they get a dry coat and dandruff.I would now feed that as a last resort if I can't find anything reasonably priced,which is'nt often. People feed chicken cos it is cheap. I used to too years ago but once I shopped around I have been able to feed 5 dogs,who are VERY active and eat a heck of a lot for less than I could on a large bag of kibble a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSD's 4EVER Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 People feed chicken cos it is cheap. I used to too years ago but once I shopped around I have been able to feed 5 dogs,who are VERY active and eat a heck of a lot for less than I could on a large bag of kibble a week. Totally agree with you. My 3 are so cheap to feed the natural way. And cleaning up is a breeze if the pigeons haven't already done the job for me. They like to peck out all the grains, so they are usually waiting on the fence line for when the girls have finished eating etc & are inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomas Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 People feed chicken cos it is cheap. I used to too years ago but once I shopped around I have been able to feed 5 dogs,who are VERY active and eat a heck of a lot for less than I could on a large bag of kibble a week. Totally agree with you. My 3 are so cheap to feed the natural way. And cleaning up is a breeze if the pigeons haven't already done the job for me. They like to peck out all the grains, so they are usually waiting on the fence line for when the girls have finished eating etc & are inside. Totally,now they eat mainly beef,venison,pork and lamb. They seem to do best on venison but get beef the most maybe 3 times a week as it's the easiest to find cheap. I love finding stuff reduced for quick sale,sad I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 My guys do WAY better on meat from large ungulates than they do from chicken. On chicken they get a dry coat and dandruff.I would now feed that as a last resort if I can't find anything reasonably priced,which is'nt often. Not really surprising if chicken was a very large part of their diet, because skin and coat issues are classic symptoms of mild zinc deficiency, and chicken is very low in zinc compared to beef or even lamb. Interesting, though. MissLotus, as Tomas says any food can be an allergen, but for some reason beef is one of the most common food allergies that dogs get. Not sure why they are more commonly allergic to beef than to other meats like lamb or pork, but it seems to be the case. You guys who get cheap raw are lucky - I do a reasonable amount of shopping around, and it's still approximately twice as expensive to feed my girl raw as reasonable quality kibble! Perhaps it depends where you live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSD's 4EVER Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 You guys who get cheap raw are lucky - I do a reasonable amount of shopping around, and it's still approximately twice as expensive to feed my girl raw as reasonable quality kibble! Perhaps it depends where you live. I live 15 minutes from the CBD & there is a fantastic market 5 minutes from the centre of town. We go every Saturday, take the 2 young dogs for socialisation & get all our meat, fish, chicken, grains, vegies etc for the week. It's a great morning out as well just to have some "down time", have a bite to eat & a coffee. Lots of people want to pat my dogs & ask questions, so having my girls there is good PR for the GSD breed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got Spots Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I love this topic - i come and check it so often I have a dog with allergy issues and flaky skin - she is a 3 yo whippet - mainly her tummy is affected. Thus far I have eliminated grain from her diet, and saw a little improvement. I am also giving her an antihistamine daily and it does seem to help her with the itch. Just wondering what the dose for zinc is Supplements at the moment - Megaderm, and vitaskin by Greenpet for my itchy girl When the megaderm is done I plan to switch to fish oil cap's + EPO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Just wondering what the dose for zinc isSupplements at the moment - Megaderm, and vitaskin by Greenpet for my itchy girl When the megaderm is done I plan to switch to fish oil cap's + EPO For an adult dog, the NRC recommend feeding about 1mg elemental zinc per day for every kg your adult dog weighs. That's rather a lot, and hard to get from natural foods alone, though feeding a lot of beef muscle helps (oysters have heaps of zinc in them, but are pricey!) I suspect that many dogs won't need as much zinc as the NRC recommend, but on the other hand some dogs are more sensitive to deficiency than others. Although you probably already are feeding some zinc in the diet, zinc is a reasonably nontoxic mineral and quite hard to overdose on, so if it were me, I'd probably just supplement with the 15mg/kg/day & see if that made a difference over a month or so. Trying out the fish oil (with vit E) is also a good idea for skin issues. GSD's 4EVA - no only does our local weekend market not allow dogs in, but the meat and bones available are actually more expensive than in the supermarket. I'm jealous of your market! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSD's 4EVER Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 GSD's 4EVA - no only does our local weekend market not allow dogs in, but the meat and bones available are actually more expensive than in the supermarket. I'm jealous of your market! Bummer. If you're ever in Melbourne, Australia. I'll be happy to show you around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomas Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I love this topic - i come and check it so oftenI have a dog with allergy issues and flaky skin - she is a 3 yo whippet - mainly her tummy is affected. Thus far I have eliminated grain from her diet, and saw a little improvement. I am also giving her an antihistamine daily and it does seem to help her with the itch. Just wondering what the dose for zinc is Supplements at the moment - Megaderm, and vitaskin by Greenpet for my itchy girl When the megaderm is done I plan to switch to fish oil cap's + EPO Neats one of my guys is THE most allergic dog ever,have stated here before,he failed all the derm tests done,even grass. Now he runs through long grass with ease and has a full covering of hair on his tummy My guys get 80% meat,10 % edible bone,10 offal of which 5 is liver and Fish Oil. That is it! When I went totally this way,no veggies or cottage cheese or yoghurt etc etc,he improved. In other words no sugar . IMO the Megaderm is a bit of a waste of money,some of the oils are of plant origin and it's just not efficient and damn near impossible for them to work in your dogs system. Though it also has Fish it says,who knows how much. So the EPO is also worthless. Just go to fish and use my guidelines weight wise on the previous page. Are you feeding any red meat,that has more than enough zinc in it. I always try to get nutrients from food as that way you can't overdose on them. I use the fish as I don't feed enough of it and though most of the meat I feed is grass fed and has acceptable ratios of Omegas in it,not all of it is. So I balance that out with the fish. As an aside I myself don't use a multivitamin. Too hit and miss,I MAKE sure I eat a full range of fruits and veggies each day,and at least 10 servings of them,and yes everyday! Have not been sick in over 10 years so I must be doing something right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLotus Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 What would be the best way of feeding vegies? Steam, boil, raw? I'm also loving this topic too Neats Everything in here is easy to understand unlike some of those websites gets me a tad confuzel. What's best is that i can ask questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSD's 4EVER Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 What would be the best way of feeding vegies? Steam, boil, raw?I'm also loving this topic too Neats Everything in here is easy to understand unlike some of those websites gets me a tad confuzel. What's best is that i can ask questions For me ... raw "MissL". I just roughly chop the vegies just enough to get them into the food processor .... just a few seconds on the "pulse" setting & I'm ready to serve up in their bowls with their raw meat. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLotus Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 For me ... raw "MissL". I just roughly chop the vegies just enough to get them into the food processor .... just a few seconds on the "pulse" setting & I'm ready to serve up in their bowls with their raw meat. Hi GSD, before i start adding vegetables to their daily diet, is there any vegies that they cannot eat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSD's 4EVER Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 For me ... raw "MissL". I just roughly chop the vegies just enough to get them into the food processor .... just a few seconds on the "pulse" setting & I'm ready to serve up in their bowls with their raw meat. ;) Hi GSD, before i start adding vegetables to their daily diet, is there any vegies that they cannot eat? According to my dogs' naturopath ... and I quote from her natural diet sheet that she gave me .... "Most vegetables are suitable especially carrot, broccoli, alfalfa & other sprouts, snow peas, zucchini, brussel sprout, cauliflower, pumpkin, celery, parsley, dandelion leaf, squash, asparagus, watercress, mints & many more ...... Raw onion, radish, garlic, tomato, potato, eggplant, cucumber, lettuce & peppers are less easy for the carnivores to digest and are best avoided in intestinal or systemic inflammatory conditions. I've followed her nutritional advice for 10 years now & my dogs are in tip top condition. Mish was diagnosed with inoperable cancer in April 2008. They gave her 6 months as it's a particularly aggressive cancer. Mish will turn 12 in December, she's still with me & she still "runs the show" at home. Tara & Spirit know she's the "boss" ... if she were sick & dying, they wouldn't bow down to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oonga Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 hmmmm ok i thought the Krill oil already has the vitamin E in it??? I am thinking of adding salmon fish oil capsules as well along with the krill oil for financial reasons Do I add extra Vitamin E then? Or are there salmon fish oil capsules with Vitamin E already in them?? Tomas those links are from USA, I can't see an australian shop to buy them from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomas Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 (edited) My guys do WAY better on meat from large ungulates than they do from chicken. On chicken they get a dry coat and dandruff.I would now feed that as a last resort if I can't find anything reasonably priced,which is'nt often. Not really surprising if chicken was a very large part of their diet, because skin and coat issues are classic symptoms of mild zinc deficiency, and chicken is very low in zinc compared to beef or even lamb. Interesting, though. You guys who get cheap raw are lucky - I do a reasonable amount of shopping around, and it's still approximately twice as expensive to feed my girl raw as reasonable quality kibble! Perhaps it depends where you live. No never fed chicken as even 50% of diet. I think the ratio of Omegas in grass fed animals is better than the mainly grain fed chickens. Have read it's as far out as 20:1 in chicken which is WAY too high! I used to spend up to $250 a wek till I 'figured' where to get certain stuff from and what times of day to get it,one supermarket here ALWAYS has meat reduced late on a Sunday down to 50%,so I go there then Edited August 25, 2009 by tomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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