More 'assessed' Dangerous Breeds At Blacktown Pound

[butch's dad]

Is it my imagination or are more dogs being deemed 'dangerous breeds' by Blacktown pound than other city pounds? And to my uneducated eye, they don't look anything like a damn dangerous breed. (is there such thing anyway? )

Currently there is a young pup (8 - 12 weeks) that to me looks like it is a boxer x staffy. It's white and deaf. And now Blacktown pound in all their wisdom have classified the pup as a pitbull cross. I'll get photos and post them here.

I have passed these photos to several people who deal with Pitbulls, (including the ex breeders, showers and judges of the breed) and have received the response that this dog is NOT a APBT or a cross thereof. So now how do we petition the pound to reconsider and spare this young dog it's life? And why isn't this getting noticed by those who deal with BP?

Well it's got me stuffed that's for sure.

Edited October 1, 2009 by butch's dad

[WreckitWhippet]

You can ask them if they would consider issuing an NOI for the puppy and then you can have it breed assessed ( but you must consider thats the breed assessment cannot be challenged ).

Pounds in NSW are well within their rights not to offer any puppy or animal that they suspect of being a restricted breed or cross for adoption but you can always appeal to the pound staffs better nature.

[butch's dad]

Well they have done it again and classed this pup as a pitbull and will execute it at 7am tomorrow morning! Anyone who can help, please do.

[WreckitWhippet]

Have you called in their personally and spoken to the pound and whoever made the decision ? Have you let them know that you are prepared to accept that they think the dog is of a restricted breed cross and that you are prepared to work within the law ( breed assessment and temp test if requried ), if they are willing to give the puppy chance ?

[ruthless]

What a cutie I hope something can be done. Are you interested in adopting the dog butch's dad?

[butch's dad]

My contacts closer to Sydney have been involved in trying to rescue this little pup from BP. They have just alerted me to the latest development which is:

Reconsidering So now, we are waiting the reassessment decision from the pound and the pound manager. Yes all of the above has been done. The girls who are trying to negotiate the release are rescue people and will ensure this baby gets rehomed responsibly and desexed to a loving and knowledgeable family (and yes Ruthless no doubt I'll make my way down for a visit with Butch )

So prayers are needed, fingers crossed, and shooting star wishes coming this pup's way will all thankfully be accepted.

Will let you all know the outcome when I'm alerted to it. He's still alive and where there's life, there's hope.

[ruthless]

Thanks for the update

[APBT]

looks to be an amstaff, how can they declare it dangerous at such a young age.

[ruthless]

Looks like a crossbreed to me. They not saying it's dangerous, they're saying it's a restricted breed.

[WreckitWhippet]

looks to be an amstaff, how can they declare it dangerous at such a young age.

It is not "declared dangerous" , the pound have suspected that the puppy may be of a "restricted breed" , therefore they have opted not to make the puppy available for adoption.

[Zhou Xuanyao]

Of all the dogs to label a Pitbull why that one its just a little cross breed

Anyway

Finger crossed over here

[GeckoTree]

I would think its far to young to even try and identify an 8-12 weeks old pup as a restricted breed by physical features, It's so wrong.

I dont think the

(ex breeders, showers and judges of the breed) and have received the response that this dog is NOT a APBT or a cross thereof'.

should be so adament about this either, since there is great variety of phenotype within the breed as they would tell you.

[sandra64]

I would think its far to young to even try and identify an 8-12 weeks old pup as a restricted breed by physical features, It's so wrong.

I dont think the

(ex breeders, showers and judges of the breed) and have received the response that this dog is NOT a APBT or a cross thereof'.

should be so adament about this either, since there is great variety of phenotype within the breed as they would tell you.

so we have no update. I know in Queensland if the council decides it a restricted breed, even if you get an opinion of vets, breeders, God himself, if you dont have papers to back up its background,you dont have any say in the hold issue.

[sandra64]

I would think its far to young to even try and identify an 8-12 weeks old pup as a restricted breed by physical features, It's so wrong.

I dont think the

(ex breeders, showers and judges of the breed) and have received the response that this dog is NOT a APBT or a cross thereof'.

should be so adament about this either, since there is great variety of phenotype within the breed as they would tell you.

so we have no update. I know in Queensland if the council decides it a restricted breed, even if you get an opinion of vets, breeders, God himself, if you dont have papers to back up its background,you dont have any say in the whole issue.

[WreckitWhippet]

In the case of a dog that is impounded, council becomes the legal owner after the time is up or in the case of a surrender, as soon as the surrender takes place.

If you owned that puppy and came to collect it, council could issue you with an NOI at the time of release.

In situations where the animal remains unclaimed by it's owner and council takes possession of the dog, they do have the right if they suspect it to be of a restricted breed, not to place that animal up for adoption. There is no age limitations on suspected animals, they can be baby puppies or older dogs and bitches.

Sandra council in NSW do not determine the "breed" of the dog where an owner is known ( they can only issue NOI's for those suspected of being a restricted breed or cross ), there are authorised breed assessors who perform that task. They are independent of council, council cannot be involved in the "breed assessment " or " temp testing" as it's a conflict of interest. Unless you have ANKC papers or DNA to prove that your dog is not of a resticted breed or cross, then you can either abide by the legislation pertaining to restricted breeds or use the breed assessor.

So basically if a dog or puppy ends up in the pound, council gets to decide the animals fate if it goes unclaimed.

Edited October 2, 2009 by SBT123

[ruthless]

So, hypothetically, could someone rock up and claim it's their dog. Pay the fines and then go through the BA and TT process?

[WreckitWhippet]

So, hypothetically, could someone rock up and claim it's their dog. Pay the fines and then go through the BA and TT process?

If you were willing to possibly make a fool of yourself and break the law claiming something that doesn't belong to you.

[butch's dad]

So, hypothetically, could someone rock up and claim it's their dog. Pay the fines and then go through the BA and TT process?

yes hypothetically you could. However we went through all the official channels and thankfully found the pound manager to plead our case to. This morning we got the news that the Sydney rescue group helping with this fella's rescue was granted a release of the dog (assessed as pitbull x) and will be served with a NOI.

So we are thankful for that outcome and the fact that Blacktown pound saw fit to give this little guy a fighting chance.

Will let you know in 28 days time how his assessment goes and what they come up with for a breed assessment for this guy.

[WreckitWhippet]

So, hypothetically, could someone rock up and claim it's their dog. Pay the fines and then go through the BA and TT process?

yes hypothetically you could. However we went through all the official channels and thankfully found the pound manager to plead our case to. This morning we got the news that the Sydney rescue group helping with this fella's rescue was granted a release of the dog (assessed as pitbull x) and will be served with a NOI.

So we are thankful for that outcome and the fact that Blacktown pound saw fit to give this little guy a fighting chance.

Will let you know in 28 days time how his assessment goes and what they come up with for a breed assessment for this guy.

No need to wait 28 days to update us, the NOI will be there next week and you can book the breed assessor of your choice as soon as you get it. The clock is ticking from the day of the NOI and you have 28 days from the date of issue to get the BA and TT done if required.

Good news that a rescue is demonstrating that they are willing to go through the official channels for this one and that the pound has agreed to it. This also means that if the pup passes BA and TT, that he can be adopted out and the person adopting will never have to worry if the dog comes under scrutiny in the future.

[Diablo]

'butch's dad' date='2nd Oct 2009 - 03:13 PM' post='4020977'

assessed as pitbull x

I am not overly familiar with Bull breeds and would personally struggle to make a cross breed assessment, but I can't understand how it's possible to determine a Pitbull X???. An Amstaff X could easily have Pitbull similarities........and who knows what appearance any crossbreed combination can have the potential to produce??? I seriously fail to comprehend why a Bull breed of unknown origin is so often assumed to contain APBT, a big call which is rather senseless given that it's virtually impossible to determine that "fact"

Edited October 2, 2009 by Diablo