murve Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 (edited) Does anyone else find that when they are competing and training alot (like trialling every weekend) their dogs start to lose a bit interest or oomph when in ring? I was having probs with Orlando, he just could not be bothred, but now I dont have any probs with training him, I now know which button to push , he is very willing to train even every day The button I have found is Sarge (my baby pappy), if I play train with him, Orlando jumps to attention, eager to please :D :D :D Edited May 29, 2011 by murve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 (edited) Well done to everybody getting out and training! I've been working on some UD exercises with both kids this week. Scent discrimination with a full set is coming along nicely, but we've been using the same heavily scented article for quite a while. Tried a brand new set of just metals at the end of the week and it totally blew their brains Been working on seekback. Ruby has more confidence than Millie to seek further. So in the very short amount of time I've been training this, I'm quite happy with where Ruby is at at the moment with it! Also been working on gloves. At a distance of about 3m, the girls are doing pretty well. I tried the 6m on Thursday night and even though they were looking at the correct one when I sent to #3, they both deviated to #2 at the last second! More work required here Today we did some retrieving training. I've been struggling to get Ruby to bring the dummy out of the water without dropping it and shaking it at the bank. Today we made some progress and her coming out and to me Even made progress with Millie on this, so I'm doubly happy!!! The excitement of it all around water made it very hard to get Millie to even listen to me This was a dog who hated swimming not too long ago! No agility training the past fortnight or so, might get back into that this week Edited May 29, 2011 by RubyStar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue & Waldo Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Training was a total mess at club this week. Some of the local intelligentsia decided to use the ground to do donuts and you could hardly walk on it without sinking into the mud-let alone train. Ground looked like it had been ploughted! Lots of hovering sits and drops! At least thestands went well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) Hello knowledgeable ones :D Just wondering what everyone does if their dog loses focus in the heelwork in a trial? This is at Novice level. I have heard some people/judges say that you should just continue and wait for your dog to catch up, but I'd prefer to give an extra command and get pinged on points. I'm talking about something like finding a really good smell half way through otherwise nice work, rather than being off with the pixies from the start. The rules say that it is a Minor deduction for 'occasional guidance or for the use of more than one command'. How many points are you likely to lose for an extra command, and which way would be the best to go about it (for example, will calling the dog's name lose more points than giving an extra 'heel' command)? We are of course aiming for this not to happen but her behaviour in the ring is very different to training so I need to be prepared Edited May 30, 2011 by wuffles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) Wuffles I would probably use a NRM and ask to be excused as this is what I would do at training. She would be given a NRM and put away. Not a problem I have encountered so far with Kenz in a trial though. Edited May 30, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 You will lose more points if you use the dog's name. You are safer asking her to heel again. The rules state you can only use the dog's name prior to heeling off the first time in heelwork. All judges will penalise differently I've found. As an example, in CCD, Millie got a bit of a fright by a bunch of GSD's sitting ringside, that I had to reset her. I lost 8 points for that, and the rest was lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) I should clarify in the situation RS described and where something "scared" the dog I would react differently and probably give an additional command versus the dog just deciding that whatever it had found on the ground was worth sniffing and not paying attention which is when I would excuse myself. Edited May 30, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Yep, that makes sense. Thanks! We did a bit of a runthrough on the weekend and her heeling was lovely but at one point she got the sniffies (found a treat on the ground) so I called her to me and she continued with nice work. I don't think I would pull out automatically for one lapse of concentration but if did it more than once I would. She didn't put a foot wrong in any other exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I should clarify in the situation RS described and where something "scared" the dog I would react differently and probably give an additional command versus the dog just deciding that whatever it had found on the ground was worth sniffing and not paying attention which is when I would excuse myself. True. At the Perth Royal Show last year, Millie got a serious case of stage fright. She started off really nicely, then saw the crowds of people and just stood still with a look of horror on her face! So I tried coaching her along, knowing full well the Q was blown but I wanted her to be confident. She didn't recover so I asked to stop the heelwork and move onto the next exercise. She did lovely with the rest of it! (OT but I was disappointed the judge decided not to bother scoring the rest of our round just because I pulled out of heelwork! Wanted to know what we had scored!) I have lost Millie on the occasional sniff in the ring, and while I have let it go because the rest has been good, I think I am going to crack down on it and exit the ring. Gosh it's hard to do, but I got especially good at withdrawing the many times Ruby has been either off with the fairies, or mugs the stewards straight out the "gate"!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Quick question - Toby is at vets getting teeth out today how do you judge when a dog is ready to resume training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seita Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Quick question - Toby is at vets getting teeth out today how do you judge when a dog is ready to resume training? when they are acting normally again! So it depends on the dog, Ella was back in the obedience ring 10 days after leaving the vet clinic after coming down with a tick. And when she had a tooth out she was back to normal within 3 days. But Ella is a work-a-holic and every dog heals differently. You know your dog and what is normal for him so just go with what feels right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Given Kenz is out of action I thought i would dust off Ness's obedience shoes and given it wasn't wet she could do a UD round at training tonight. Well blow me away she was well and truely on fire. Worked an absolute stunning round which would have qualified her at a trial. Bugger . She was absolutely buzzing and didn't miss a trick. Hmmm so the question is do I bring her out of retirement or not . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Hmmm so the question is do I bring her out of retirement or not . If she wants to do it and you keep it happy with no expectations, I would bring the old girl out As long as she if fit and able and wants to, why not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Maybe Ness just needed a break not retirement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 A break or doing bugger all because Kenz is laid up and I feel guilty doing stuff with Ness and not Kenz . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Toby is back to 100% this morning! He will be doing some training later Bring Ness out! It will be a nice distraction from Kenz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natsu chan Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Why not just enter the old lady in something and see what happens? Do it for fun, do sweet bugger all training wise and see what happens. Clearly the rest from serious work has helped. The oldies love the attention and fun but not the pressure. How's Kenzie's shoulder coming? Shoulder injuries are so frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Think I might just keep doing the occasional training round with Ness. She doesn't care if she trials or not its just about having fun. To her training is fun because I can reward her. Trials she ends up falling apart. She is one of these dogs that doesn't do the sitting around waiting at trials well and I think that is the huge difference between training and trials. Its not even about the fact I can reward but at training she is often on relatively early whereas at trials we normally have truckloads of UD dogs and she is normally on towards the end. She also prefers night time to day time. Oh well will keep doing the occasional training session when the weather isn't wet and I can always enter her in a trial down the track. As for Kenz's shoulder Natsu chan - hmmmm physio wants another 4 weeks crate rest when the specialist only had suggested another 1 week. I have a mega stir crazy BC who is not taking to resting at all well and I am pretty convinced there is no way possible I can manage another 4 weeks of her doing bugger all without her doing some serious damage to herself when my back is turned for more than a second. She is already just into week 3 and I am running into major problems with her being naughty. I can't lock her in a crate 24/7 it will drive her through the wall . Wish I could wake up tomorrow and for somebody to have waved a magic wand and for it to be all better. All the options facing us involve lots more crate rest and I don't know how we will cope. Never mind the dog coping I am not coping either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natsu chan Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Ness have you tried bowen? Koori did something similar and as she had other issues crate rest wasn't an option but now she's really coming along well. We had a whole series of stretches to do and that with the bowen has really helped. I couldn't train her at all as the heeling was making her very sore. Has she damaged the actual joint? Koori bruised and tore the muscles around the point of the shoulder. Poor girl. Crating a border for that long isn't really practical. I really hope things improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 (edited) Have tried physio and acupuncture. No joint damage picked up on the xray (checked shoulders/elbows/paws) - a little degenerative change in her elbow on that side but not significant enough according to the specialist that it should be whats causing the lameness wear and tear more then anything (and she is on course of cartrophen injections anyway). Ultrasound did show some evidence to suggest a chronic healing lesion and more fluid around the right shoulder in comparison to the left. Got to love spending lots of money to be told we really aren't any closer to knowing what it is but its not xyz . I certainly agree crating a BC for 6-8 weeks is not practical. She is lucky I am home with her at the moment so for the most part she sleeps on the dog beds underneath my computer desk but mornings and late afternoon are the worst as she just wants to do stuff. She certainly isn't a couch potato BC. She has been gradually getting more stir crazy as time goes on. Physio treated trigger points in both front shoulders and her back on Monday - she was a bit of a mess . And the really hard part is we are now entering month 6 and still not really any the wiser - well ok we know a little about what its not just nothing about what it is. Edited June 1, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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