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I Am Looking For A Reliable Doberman Breeder?

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dobieboy   

I am looking for a reliable doberman breeder?

I don't want to show a good working line dog that would weigh over 50kg (male) as an adult. Does anyone know of any good breeders in Australia or any one overseas that deals with Australia as well. Or of any good websites to visit? As a first time dog owner should I only buy the puppy from a breeder that does basic training, crate/toilet training and teaches them not to bite or jump on the owner.

I have currently narrowed my search down to

Valleygem My link

Von Liston My link

Has anyone had experience with these breeders or can they give any advice on other breeders. I am looking at paying between $1500-$2500. By the way I live in QLD so probably wouldn't be driving down further than VIC.

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I can't help with a breeder recommendation but as a first time dog owner , and if you have not done so , please visit dobe clubs,shows etc and see how they look/behave .. then , when you see something you like- ask its breeding ;)

Also - read up on as many puppy training things as you can- dog psychology .. everything! Also read up on health problems associated with the breed YOU will need to learn WHY and HOW your pup does things .. and also learn the skills needed to guide and educate the pup. (apologies if you have done all this) ;)

basic training, crate/toilet training and teaches them not to bite or jump on the owner.

Hmm . As pups are not properly in control of their bladder/bowel for some months - this makes getting a toilet trained pup a bit hard.

Puppies will jump - they are programmed to get on hind legs to reach mother's nipples, and to take food from her mouth . This behaviour can certainly be stopped - but maybe not in an 8 -10 wk old puppy . Same with nipping - this too is something which may be stopped at the breeders- but may recur in a new environment and with new people . Some puppies don't do it at all :)

Why not get a young adult?

That way you know what the dog looks like/ what its temperament is like ..and you don't have all the puppy stuff to concentrate on. Raising a large breed puppy with drive is a lot of work !

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Ali   

I am looking for a reliable doberman breeder?

I don't want to show a good working line dog that would weigh over 50kg (male) as an adult. Does anyone know of any good breeders in Australia or any one overseas that deals with Australia as well. Or of any good websites to visit? As a first time dog owner should I only buy the puppy from a breeder that does basic training, crate/toilet training and teaches them not to bite or jump on the owner.

I have currently narrowed my search down to

Valleygem My link

Von Liston My link

Has anyone had experience with these breeders or can they give any advice on other breeders. I am looking at paying between $1500-$2500. By the way I live in QLD so probably wouldn't be driving down further than VIC.

Like the others have stated, Do you just want a pet Dobe?

Both breeders are supurb, but you need to be aware that they breed dobes with a strong "working" heritage. Now thats great and when I thought a dobe was what I wanted I was ready to purcahse my dobe from Von.

It may not be however what you are after, it may be in your interest to look into a breeder you breeds there dobe for the show ring.

Which will be more focused on the form, structure and tempermant of the dobe.

Now that doesnt mean that the breeders you have listed dont adgere to the same principles it just maybe the that are prioritsed differently and with the added variable of drive.

I hope it helps

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dobieboy   

Hey

I have done alot of research on the breed and raising them as a puppy. The dog will mainly be used as a companion but also for property protection to a far lesser extent. I plan on getting the dog in the holidays so that I can properly socialize it and get it used to being alone when no one is at home. I understand that an 8 week old puppy wouldnt be fully toilet trained but what I mean is I wouldnt have to introduce the dog to it I would just have to continue the training for a couple of weeks until it gets the hang of it. I want a european working line because they share a temperament similar to that of the original doberman and don't look skinny like that of the average doberman does today. Any advice is appreciated.

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Toilet training a puppy takes a few months. Often a 5 - 6 month old will have accidents and accidents is just that! We recently added a Ridgieback pup to our family and he was 14 weeks when we picked him up which I was happy about as he wants so baby baby however if I fail to listen to his whinges or forget to take him potty every 1 - 2 hours he will wee in the house. My fault not his!

We looked at adding a German Shepherd to our family a while ago and I wanted the working line but quickly realised we couldn't handle this. These breeds of dogs are still very active even whilst they are the show lines! A working line will need brain and physically stimulation every single day and they will become serious destructo dogs if you don't give them that!

Not that you can put everyone on the same plate but I would think for a first dog a working line would be a huge committment and one you may regret!

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Not that you can put everyone on the same plate but I would think for a first dog a working line would be a huge committment and one you may regret!

I tend to agree - especially as you want a large dog from a working line .

for 'property protection'.... ANY dog will protect property ... we have a 16 kg little Xbreed who will let no one in the yard ..and , if pushed, would probably bite .

:( Any person who is serious at breaking in/causing harm will know a dog can be put out of action by one bullet, or a blast of pepper spray , a cattle prod , or a baseball bat.

I would just have to continue the training for a couple of weeks until it gets the hang of it.

As said - toilet training can take up to 6 mths.

have you had a look on the Dogzonline breed pages for pups and older pups/dogs for sale ?

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dobieboy   

I know it's takes time and patients to toilet train a dog but don't want to buy a young adult as I want the puppy to know me from the time it is still a puppy. Can anyone with experience of these two breeder (Valleygem and Von Liston) give me any feedback.

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PAX   

Hey

I have done alot of research on the breed and raising them as a puppy.

A male Dobermann should never be anywhere near 50+ kilos. have you read the breed standard?

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as I want the puppy to know me from the time it is still a puppy.

;) and did you know that a young adult /teenage pup can and will bond with you just as strongly?

The dog that was my 'heart' dog -(out of many that have shared my life) was one I got when he was 2 years old - and he had 2 other homes before me. He was totally mine- body and soul til the day he died.

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have you read the breed standard?

The op said this :

I want a european working line because they share a temperament similar to that of the original doberman and don't look skinny like that of the average doberman does today.

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dobieboy   

Valleygem breeds a healthy doberman that weighs between 50-60kgs and I am sure that Von Liston breeds over 45 kgs as well. persephone Temperament and size are different things.

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persephone Temperament and size are different things.

They certainly are, .. and a large dog with a less than perfect temperament is not a good combination .

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cassie   

Bigger isn't always best. At 8 weeks old there is NO way of telling what weight a dog will be once mature. Even if the sire is over 50kg, doesn't necessarily mean the pup will be.

I don't know Dobes, but I would have thought 50kg was overweight :shrug: Happy to be corrected.

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dobieboy   

These heavier dogs simply have a larger chest and are oly 1-3cm taller than their lighter counterparts. They don't have joint/hip problems unless they are run on concrete whilst still puppies or overworked.

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It sounds like you've got it all worked out and you really don't need anyone's help. Good luck with your future pup and I hope it all works out and is as easy as you are planning it to be. Remember to be kind to the pup because it will be what it will be and it won't be it's fault!

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Only you can make that choice. No one here will tell you who to go with because what suits one in a breeder may not suit you!

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Am I right in thinking this is the first dog that you have owned?. Dobes are the best :worship: but for a first time dog owner I would'nt recommend one, especially from "working lines".

You need to understand the commitment and time involved in training a dobe as they need far more attention than a lot of other breeds. Think very carefully before you go ahead & get one as a dobe deserves the best you can give it.

If you still wan't to go ahead then good luck & welcome to the club because their really is no other like a dobe. :love:

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