melzawelza Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) Easier to just place a link to the thread in General, seeing as this thread isn't really getting much action. http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/226962-dogs-in-the-community/ Edited September 25, 2011 by melzawelza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 Damn, meant to post this in General. Although It's probably good to have it here as well seeing as most of the BSL discussions have been happening in here of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottnBullies Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Please take note of what Is actually being posted In the discussion forum as uncalled for comments are already being made towards creators of the Sydney event. You are admin on that forum Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) I am not sure what you mean Danni? Unless I have missed something that has been posted? Feel free to PM me if there's anything that is concerning you, if I don't know what it is I can't act on it. Edit: actually I'm really confused, when people were asking about the two pages I posted saying we are both working towards the same goal and discussing with each other, and I have been discussing the rally with the creator of the page you're talking about today. There is no problem between the two? Edited September 21, 2011 by melzawelza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Once again it's back to the same old, same old. Once you mention Pit Bulls, you;ve lost the vast majority of people to begin with. I thought this time around, there was going to be a different approach and that maybe people would have learnt from the past and the failures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 Pav Lova have you actually read the description and what is being discussed in the group? The general consensus has been specifically to NOT make it all about pit bulls for that very reason and instead to focus on the fact that the laws do not protect the public and the ALTERNATIVES that will. Of course pit bulls will be mentioned as part of the rally however that is far from the sole focus, in fact it is the minority. For anyone interested the speakers we have confirmed so far are Glenn Cooke who a lot will know through his extensive knowledge and talent as a dog trainer/behaviorist and strong contributor to the NDTT, and also Tim Vasudeva who is the new CEO of AWL and has worked tirelessly for years for companion animals in this country and overseas. We have many more in the pipelines and are making contact now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumosmum Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 All dog owners and lovers of all breeds should be involved in this. Not just the bull breeds. Any of these idiots who get dogs to be tough, I would say will now go and deliberately purchase dogs that are outside the standard. Other breeds will be in the firing line in future. This should be a wake up call to all owners. It can happen to their dogs. I think this is going to be a long long battle, but it needs to be opposed and fought. Breed bans won't solve the dog attack problems. They will still happen, but the government won't lose face straight away. They won't give this one up easily, so be prepared, everyone will have to be in this long term. Everyone, with all breeds, or other breeds will be added I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bslsux Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Is it possible to have dates and other information posted other than on facebook? Some people do not use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 Sydney events page here: The Sydney rally events page is here: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=292379974109432 Hi bslsux, It's being coordinated through facebook mainly because it is just so much easier to do it that way rather than anything else, but I've copied and pasted the info so far below: This the event page for anyone attending the Rally against BSL in SYDNEY on the 22nd of October at Belmore Park (opposite Central station) to discuss anything and everything. Namely speakers, timing, location, marketing etc. Feel free to post whatever you'd like and also make sure you're on the main Aus wide event page. IMPORTANT: we need to portray a fantastic image of both our dogs AND ourselves at this event. Currently the general public believe the bully breeds are inherently aggressive and owned by criminals. It is so important that we change that perception on the day!! What this means is: 1. DO NOT bring your dog if he/she isn't bombproof and can handle large crowds of people and other dogs. Also be prepared to leave if you bring your and dog and he/she shows signs of fearfulness, stress or anxiety. 2. NO STUDDED LEATHER COLLARS or anything that could be perceived as aggressive!! If anything we need to be dressing them in tutu's and silly hats. Remember we're trying to change the general public's mind, not confirm what they think they already know. 3. We also have to promote great images of ourselves!! Dress smart to again show the general public that people just like them own these breeds! We shouldn't be judged on ours or our dogs attire but unfortunately we ARE. 4. Peaceful protest! No aggressive tactics or swearing, just calm, logical FACTUAL arguments presented in an accessible way. This is how we get attention, by showing our intelligence, not confirming the public's perception by acting like crims. Please feel free to suggest absolutely anything in this group. This is about AL OF US having a say and pulling together to have a great rally, not a few people making all the decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bslsux Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Thanks melzawelza. Anyone have any info available on Victorian based rally events? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 Melbourne page here: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=125666524199579 You should be able to see the info even if you aren't a facebook member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bslsux Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Melbourne page here: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=125666524199579 You should be able to see the info even if you aren't a facebook member. Unfortunately can't see it without logging in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Scheduled for 11 am on 22nd October on the steps of Parliament House. However this Rally is to be confirmed. No dogs to attend. A lead and an empty collar to symbolise, preferred. This is what I know to date. Stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 Thanks Erny! Anyone without facebook that would like more information on the Sydney rally can email us on [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horse2008 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Why no dogs? How can we encourage making dogs part of the community if we show up without dogs? Peeing dogs shouldn't be a problem, the steps are concrete so it evaporates quickly. Pooing dogs won't be a problem as there are laws everywhere about picking up your dog's poo. Even the Oscars Law rally said the dogs must be pretty bombproof or you'd be asked to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horse2008 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 It will only take one incident to undo the message the rallies are trying to get out there. Many people underestimate the ability of their dogs to handle a large, worked up crowd full of unknown dogs. A dog scuffle would not have damaged a message about abolishing puppy farms but will be all the media latches on to if it happens at a rally about dangerous dog laws. Good point Snook! Won't make the owners of the dogs in the scuffle happy either. My dogs are Ok. Horse is an assistance dog, he does love to sniff though! Fiona came to the Oscars Law rally. She does get a bit intimidated by all the loud noises, so we stayed across the road for the most part, then went to treasury gardens for a doggy snooze! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Good point Snook! Won't make the owners of the dogs in the scuffle happy either. My dogs are Ok. Horse is an assistance dog, he does love to sniff though! Fiona came to the Oscars Law rally. She does get a bit intimidated by all the loud noises, so we stayed across the road for the most part, then went to treasury gardens for a doggy snooze! Personally, I think empty collars will be a stronger statement than dogs. Most of us think our dogs are o.k. But even ok dogs occasionally get out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Why no dogs? How can we encourage making dogs part of the community if we show up without dogs? Peeing dogs shouldn't be a problem, the steps are concrete so it evaporates quickly. Pooing dogs won't be a problem as there are laws everywhere about picking up your dog's poo. Even the Oscars Law rally said the dogs must be pretty bombproof or you'd be asked to leave. It will only take one incident to undo the message the rallies are trying to get out there. Many people underestimate the ability of their dogs to handle a large, worked up crowd full of unknown dogs. A dog scuffle would not have damaged a message about abolishing puppy farms but will be all the media latches on to if it happens at a rally about dangerous dog laws. I agree. It is best to have a select few dogs attend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 Yes Snook's post describes it perfectly. It won't be no dogs at all, there will be doggy ambassadors but they will be invited prior to the rally and they will be dogs that have been through high levels of training and are known to be able to handle crowds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horse2008 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 So who judges the dogs? I want to check my assistance dog will be ok so I won't be seen as someone who's snuck their dog in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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