Issy Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 Unfortunately the Eukanuba is a no go. Stools were great so I'm upset it didn't work Tonight he is going back on the salmon/tuna and I'll give the Sago a go next after 3-5 days. Called the vet on friday and saturday and he hasn't been in, still waiting on my referal! I'm probably going to get him tested for everything under the sun if and when I can get to this dermatologist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lavendergirl Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Oh that is a shame. Can you not make an appointment with the dermo in anticipation of the vet writing a referral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issy Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Ok I just spoke to the vet and honestly don't know if I should just go to another vet or keep going with this one. He says I need to stick to the Eukanuba for 6 weeks to see the difference and says that it shouldn't of made a reaction in only 3-4 days and that I should continue to give it to him! Could this be right and should I keep feeding? I asked if he could get my referal ready and he said that if I go to the dermatologist now she'll just give me anti-inflammatories and meds and have me come back when he isn't itching? so he wants me to go to her when he isn't having a reaction. If anyone knows can they tell me if he can be tested while he is reacting? is there truth to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 This reads as being tricky. the diarrhoea while on the fish worries me more than the itching ...he may not be getting the correct balance of nutrients, which can then upset his system even more . Do you have a university vet clinic anywhere near you? if it were me , that's probably where I'd be heading ..with as much documented stuff as possible . *fingers crossed* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issy Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 persephone, yes I am worried about that too Here is a picture of what he did to his tail area on saturday night - granted this is looking better now. I had to put a pair of kids undies on him so he couldn't get to it any longer. This is with antihistamines! He has a few more areas like this. Incase anyone was wondering he does not have fleas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issy Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 I'll research the uni vet clinic, problem is it'll have to wait until the weekend as I don't have a car and will have to get someone to drive me there (everyone I know works and isn't available during the week). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 In case anyone was wondering he does not have fleas. A bad flea allergy reaction can be triggered by ONE flea bite all I can think of is a sort of sugar/starch could be making him itch ..and maybe a protein could cause the diarrhoea - either way his whole immune system may need looking at .... I see 'vets all natural' is reading ..... they may have some advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karly101 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 The dermatologist I go to likes to see them when they are itchy - not on meds. I would definitely recommend you seek one now especially with all the problems she has been having - there are definitely tests they can do, for my dog they choose his side which is unaffected by his allergies. They can also do a blood test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issy Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 We certainly can't fix every dog, and your poor boy sounds like his immune system is very hyper sensitive, however we do have a 70% success rate.You can buy what you need from Petbarn (and if your local store is missing something then they can order it in quickly - or PM us and we can help out)Premium Choice (about to be renamed Raw76) Allerblend - found in the fridge (Kangaroo based - a novel protein for him)Omega Blend Skin & Coat Formula. You have to stick with it for a minimum of 6 weeks, very important. If he is fussy and adding a few oily saltwater fish helps him eat then you can do this, but really try to wean him off the fish asap. He wont starve! this diet is great for IBS dogs too.After a few weeks he will seem to relapse, don't stress his liver will just be detoxing. It can last for about a week.After the 6 weeks you can then wean him off the Skin & Coat Formula, then off the Omega Blend. Ideally he should then remain on the Allerblend as his diet. I called my local Petbarn and they don't have the Allerbend in stock. It will be a few days until I can get it which means I don't have anything to give him tonight and next few days. If I go by this statement though I should just stick with the Eukanuba for 6 weeks as he may be detoxing from weeks ago? So the 4 weeks been on fish - no itching/swelling in that time just diarrhoea. The vet dry food eating for 4 days and the itching/swelling is back but normal stools. persephone, I am thinking it may be starch related too. Only thing which seems to make sense so far. karly101, my vet seems to think otherwise. He doesn't want to send me to one until the itchiness is gone. I guess I could just rock up and demand one tommorrow, now sure how well that'll go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I guess I could just rock up and demand one tommorrow, now sure how well that'll go down. your dog, your choice of treatment ..and you are paying the vet ..... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lavendergirl Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I agree with Perse - you need to perhaps be assertive with your vet about a referral now. You could always ring the dermatologist's office and ask them if they prefer to see the dog while the rash etc. is prevalent. It seems practical to me that the dermo would want to see the full blown symptoms. Poor boy he really needs some relief ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I guess I could just rock up and demand one tommorrow, now sure how well that'll go down. your dog, your choice of treatment ..and you are paying the vet ..... :) Alternativly, you could try a more helpful vet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Ok I just spoke to the vet and honestly don't know if I should just go to another vet or keep going with this one. He says I need to stick to the Eukanuba for 6 weeks to see the difference and says that it shouldn't of made a reaction in only 3-4 days and that I should continue to give it to him! Could this be right and should I keep feeding? In my experience an allergic reaction happens very quickly. Also goes fairly quickly unless the skin gets damaged. Same with tummy allergies - happens quickly. Intolerances seem to take a little while longer to build up. I find fasting quite helpful to settle a flare up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karly101 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 karly101, my vet seems to think otherwise. He doesn't want to send me to one until the itchiness is gone. I guess I could just rock up and demand one tommorrow, now sure how well that'll go down. You are within your rights to do that - it only takes 1 minute to write a referral and fax it off. You could also ring a canine dermatologist vet and ask if they prefer to see the dog whilst in rash or in controlled stage - I have no idea why they would want to see the dog whilst not experiencing symptoms? A blood test could give you answers fairly quickly - my dog didn't show up anything in the tests but at least at the specialist we had a plan and worked step by step till we got a diagnosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issy Posted May 22, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2012 Thanks for all the replies. I just went straight in today and asked for a referal and luckily there was another vet there and she told me just to make the appointment and that they would fax over everything after.... Tommorrow first thing I'll be calling the dermotologist for an appointment, hopefully it wont be too long a wait. JulesP, I agree with you there. If he was showing mild reactions I could say that it is liver detoxing whatever but going into fullblown severe hives/itchiness/swelling a day after I changed the food and has been happening since is a pretty good indication it must be something in the food. Vet was still defending the food and saying it could be airborne or totally unrelated - which yes it could be but the chances of that are very small since the whole 4 weeks on plain fish he didn't have symptoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lavendergirl Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Sorry I've lost track now - why didn't you just continue on with the plain fish? Maybe that plus supplements is the answer? Really hope you can get into the dermo urgently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Bruce Syme Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 We certainly can't fix every dog, and your poor boy sounds like his immune system is very hyper sensitive, however we do have a 70% success rate.You can buy what you need from Petbarn (and if your local store is missing something then they can order it in quickly - or PM us and we can help out)Premium Choice (about to be renamed Raw76) Allerblend - found in the fridge (Kangaroo based - a novel protein for him)Omega Blend Skin & Coat Formula. You have to stick with it for a minimum of 6 weeks, very important. If he is fussy and adding a few oily saltwater fish helps him eat then you can do this, but really try to wean him off the fish asap. He wont starve! this diet is great for IBS dogs too.After a few weeks he will seem to relapse, don't stress his liver will just be detoxing. It can last for about a week.After the 6 weeks you can then wean him off the Skin & Coat Formula, then off the Omega Blend. Ideally he should then remain on the Allerblend as his diet. I called my local Petbarn and they don't have the Allerbend in stock. It will be a few days until I can get it which means I don't have anything to give him tonight and next few days. If I go by this statement though I should just stick with the Eukanuba for 6 weeks as he may be detoxing from weeks ago? So the 4 weeks been on fish - no itching/swelling in that time just diarrhoea. The vet dry food eating for 4 days and the itching/swelling is back but normal stools. persephone, I am thinking it may be starch related too. Only thing which seems to make sense so far. karly101, my vet seems to think otherwise. He doesn't want to send me to one until the itchiness is gone. I guess I could just rock up and demand one tommorrow, now sure how well that'll go down. Sorry Issy, we have been at the Vet Conference and not checking here often. No, he wont go through a detox period when on processed food (like Eukanuba), just like people, when we go on a detox diet it is a very clean, natural diet. For his liver to release the stored toxins he needs to eat intact protein molecules (think raw egg vs cooked egg). Some of the processed food try to get around this by highly micronizing the protein, but it is still protein in an unnatural state. If your finding it had to source our products PM me and I will send you some. Even if you don't try our skin diet, try to get him onto some Protexin powder. It is the main ingredient in our Skin & Coat Formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4Kelpies Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Poor little dog. I hope you can find some relief for him soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issy Posted May 23, 2012 Author Share Posted May 23, 2012 Sorry I've lost track now - why didn't you just continue on with the plain fish? Maybe that plus supplements is the answer? Really hope you can get into the dermo urgently. He has constant diarrhoea while on the plain fish. I tried mixing a little sweet potato - stools got normal but had allergy problems. We certainly can't fix every dog, and your poor boy sounds like his immune system is very hyper sensitive, however we do have a 70% success rate.You can buy what you need from Petbarn (and if your local store is missing something then they can order it in quickly - or PM us and we can help out)Premium Choice (about to be renamed Raw76) Allerblend - found in the fridge (Kangaroo based - a novel protein for him)Omega Blend Skin & Coat Formula. You have to stick with it for a minimum of 6 weeks, very important. If he is fussy and adding a few oily saltwater fish helps him eat then you can do this, but really try to wean him off the fish asap. He wont starve! this diet is great for IBS dogs too.After a few weeks he will seem to relapse, don't stress his liver will just be detoxing. It can last for about a week.After the 6 weeks you can then wean him off the Skin & Coat Formula, then off the Omega Blend. Ideally he should then remain on the Allerblend as his diet.I called my local Petbarn and they don't have the Allerbend in stock. It will be a few days until I can get it which means I don't have anything to give him tonight and next few days. If I go by this statement though I should just stick with the Eukanuba for 6 weeks as he may be detoxing from weeks ago? So the 4 weeks been on fish - no itching/swelling in that time just diarrhoea. The vet dry food eating for 4 days and the itching/swelling is back but normal stools. persephone, I am thinking it may be starch related too. Only thing which seems to make sense so far.karly101, my vet seems to think otherwise. He doesn't want to send me to one until the itchiness is gone. I guess I could just rock up and demand one tommorrow, now sure how well that'll go down.Sorry Issy, we have been at the Vet Conference and not checking here often.No, he wont go through a detox period when on processed food (like Eukanuba), just like people, when we go on a detox diet it is a very clean, natural diet. For his liver to release the stored toxins he needs to eat intact protein molecules (think raw egg vs cooked egg). Some of the processed food try to get around this by highly micronizing the protein, but it is still protein in an unnatural state. If your finding it had to source our products PM me and I will send you some.Even if you don't try our skin diet, try to get him onto some Protexin powder. It is the main ingredient in our Skin & Coat Formula. Thank you! That totally makes sense. I will call Petbarn and order it in tommorrow, if it might take too long I will PM you to see if I can get it sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I would change vets if you need to. A reaction like that makes it a little easier to pinpoint the issue. It can potentially take a few weeks for the thing he is reacting to to get out of his system so some of it may be carrying over but his reactions sound pretty quick and severe. Good luck at the specialists and I hope your poor boy gets some relief soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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