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The questions I need to anser are:

1/ What surgical instruments are used during a regular pyo surgery? Any specialised instruments?

2/ What drugs for anaesthesia are usually used? pre-med etc...

3/ What is the length of hospital stay on a routine pyo surgery?

4/ What are the roles of the Vet nurse during the surgery?

I have been a nurse mentor for our junior nurses for the last few years. These questions are all familiar, and although they seem tedious they are really just encouraging you to think and work through the questions step by step using the elusive concept of 'first principles'.

As far as things to think about for the questions you have listed...

1. Pyometra is a particular condition. What is the name of the surgical procedure that is actually performed? I have searchedo for the procedure name and 'canine' using Google books and found a step by step outline of the procedure. You should be able to find the necessary instruments through this. What is different between a routine 'spey' and a 'pyo' (which is rarely routine!!)?. -What is it about these differences that might change which instruments you need?

2. What are the clinical signs of pyometra? How might these clinical signs influence pre-operative factors for a patient that undergoes anaesthesia? What are some of the characteristics of the drugs used for 'routine' premedication? Are there some characteristics that might not be desirable in a patient with pyometra? Are there specific aspects of pyometra that means the requirements would be different for a spey?

3. What is the normal length of stay for a spey? Go back to the clinical signs and metabolic changes - what might you want to see change before you discharge a patient?

4. If this is anything like other questions I have, I'd suggest you start at the beginning - from the time the dog is admitted to hospital. What do you need to do to prepare for surgery (including patient preparation). What might you need to do during surgery? What will you need to do afterwards?

You're welcome to PM me if you like. It's highly unlikely that I'll give you the answers you need (because I'm not that nice :rofl:) but I'm happy to offer some assistance if you need it.

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although they seem tedious they are really just encouraging you to think and work through the questions step by step using the elusive concept of 'first principles'.

Oh how that phrase makes me want to start hitting my head against the wall...... but so bloody true and useful its not funny :rofl:

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Oh how that phrase makes me want to start hitting my head against the wall...... but so bloody true and useful its not funny :rofl:

Pretty sure I didn't really fully grasp the idea (or at least think it was a good one) until after I graduated :rofl: :rofl: Principles, schminciples :laugh:

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Ooh yes, makes my skin crawl! But so true.. stupid first principles!

Good luck Neon - Rappie's info has been very useful without spoon feeding you the answers - probably the most valuable way to get your info!

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Unfortunately its just the forum world. I dont normally involve myself in forums because they are riddled with people just wanting to put their 2 cents in, even when its not asked for. Oh well, lesson learnt...again

Naaaah ..... you got some help (ignore what you don't want) here on DOL. You're gonna HAVE to come back and help US out when we have canine health questions :D.

Good luck with your assignment.

Oh ..... and as for your questions, I wouldn't have a clue to the answers nor where to find them, so I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to help.

ETA: But that doesn't matter - I see Rappie, StaffnToller and others have done a great job to assist :thumbsup: . All the best :).

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The questions I need to anser are:

1/ What surgical instruments are used during a regular pyo surgery? Any specialised instruments?

2/ What drugs for anaesthesia are usually used? pre-med etc...

3/ What is the length of hospital stay on a routine pyo surgery?

4/ What are the roles of the Vet nurse during the surgery?

I have been a nurse mentor for our junior nurses for the last few years. These questions are all familiar, and although they seem tedious they are really just encouraging you to think and work through the questions step by step using the elusive concept of 'first principles'.

As far as things to think about for the questions you have listed...

1. Pyometra is a particular condition. What is the name of the surgical procedure that is actually performed? I have searchedo for the procedure name and 'canine' using Google books and found a step by step outline of the procedure. You should be able to find the necessary instruments through this. What is different between a routine 'spey' and a 'pyo' (which is rarely routine!!)?. -What is it about these differences that might change which instruments you need?

2. What are the clinical signs of pyometra? How might these clinical signs influence pre-operative factors for a patient that undergoes anaesthesia? What are some of the characteristics of the drugs used for 'routine' premedication? Are there some characteristics that might not be desirable in a patient with pyometra? Are there specific aspects of pyometra that means the requirements would be different for a spey?

3. What is the normal length of stay for a spey? Go back to the clinical signs and metabolic changes - what might you want to see change before you discharge a patient?

4. If this is anything like other questions I have, I'd suggest you start at the beginning - from the time the dog is admitted to hospital. What do you need to do to prepare for surgery (including patient preparation). What might you need to do during surgery? What will you need to do afterwards?

You're welcome to PM me if you like. It's highly unlikely that I'll give you the answers you need (because I'm not that nice :rofl:) but I'm happy to offer some assistance if you need it.

lol thank you :)

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lol thank you :)

You're welcome :D

Whilst I'm deadly serious about not giving you the answers, you are welcome to ask questions.

It might be worth reading some of the threads about desexing costs if you can dig them up - there are some good (if not heated) discussions from people working in veterinary clinics about various levels of care and important surgical considerations. They won't be sufficient to use as reference material but should give you a starting point for further reading and making your own decisions and recommendations.

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Wow, baptism by fire, much? :bolt: No wonder it took me months of reading before I was ever brave enough to post anything here. If everyone is so quick to jump on new people, the only ones who stay are the argumentative types.

Stick around the forum, neon - there are lots of wonderful and friendly people, you have to take some responses with a grain of salt. :)

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I think the reason many (including myself) said no to help was because of - The questions I need to anser are:

Not can you help me, or do you have any idea where to look, I am a little stuck etc.

We are not doing the course, the OP is. It's the OP's job to find the answers and not expect others to give them to her.

Others in the thread managed to find the answers within a few min of googling etc, It's like the OP was looking for a "quick fix".

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I can't see a problem with asking for other people's opinions as approaches to pyo can vary slightly between different vets (with regard to specific drugs and technique, although the general principles remain the same), however I agree with Sway the way the question was worded wasn't the best.

I don't think the assessor would be too pleased if the references only consisted of forum members opinions though, so I assume that the OP was also intending on doing further research and looking at textbooks and journal articles.

Personally I recommend the textbook Small Animal Surgery (edited by Fossum) your TAFE might have this book available? It is an excellent textbook providing the basics of surgery and anaesthesia for many small animal procedures. It also briefly covers management of surgical conditions. You will also need to look at recent research and it is also a good idea to get other vets opinions as people do things differently.

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Hi Neon,

I hope your research is going well :-)

This is a genuine question: Through your TAFE, do you have access to research databases? That is, databases of scientific literature published in academic peer-reviewed journals? I'm guessing that, because you've asked here, perhaps you don't have access to such publications, but I thought I'd check.

Published journal articles form peer-reviewed journals might be a valuable source of information. Even if you don't have access to the full databases, some journals (or some articles from journals) are available to the general public (and I think that someone earlier mentioned checking google scholar). There should be search criteria that allow you to search for research conducted and published in Australia.

Best wishes for your assignment.

Kitt.

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Hi Neon,

I hope your research is going well :-)

This is a genuine question: Through your TAFE, do you have access to research databases? That is, databases of scientific literature published in academic peer-reviewed journals? I'm guessing that, because you've asked here, perhaps you don't have access to such publications, but I thought I'd check.

Published journal articles form peer-reviewed journals might be a valuable source of information. Even if you don't have access to the full databases, some journals (or some articles from journals) are available to the general public (and I think that someone earlier mentioned checking google scholar). There should be search criteria that allow you to search for research conducted and published in Australia.

Best wishes for your assignment.

Kitt.

yep that's waht I was thinking, I would be looking in the journal databases for this info :)

Would definitely be worthwhile to sign up to a Uni library if you have one near you :)

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