mixeduppup Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Well we only saw what we saw and from that I would agree that until he took the dog in hand appropriately the dog shouldn't have been trusted around the baby but afterwards he looked like a much less wild member of society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidgy Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Are you saying that people with Huskies shouldn't have children? If people train, exercise and give their husky a proper outlet it shouldn't be an issue. I agree about the cat, I rewatched it and saw the just looking...that is the general attitude of a lot of working dog trainer sand owners I know though, kinda lackadaisical. Poor kitteh Thats kind of the point isn't it? That dog had none of that. I have no idea if people with Huskies should have children - undoubtedly many shouldn't, like any group in society. I am saying that I would not trust any dog with such a tiny baby. Huskies are no more dangerous then any other dog if it has not been trained or socialised properly. I do not know of any cases personally but even the sweetest cavalier could maul a baby if not given proper training. No breed should be blamed its the deeds that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lavendergirl Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Are you saying that people with Huskies shouldn't have children? If people train, exercise and give their husky a proper outlet it shouldn't be an issue. I agree about the cat, I rewatched it and saw the just looking...that is the general attitude of a lot of working dog trainer sand owners I know though, kinda lackadaisical. Poor kitteh Thats kind of the point isn't it? That dog had none of that. I have no idea if people with Huskies should have children - undoubtedly many shouldn't, like any group in society. I am saying that I would not trust any dog with such a tiny baby. Huskies are no more dangerous then any other dog if it has not been trained or socialised properly. I do not know of any cases personally but even the sweetest cavalier could maul a baby if not given proper training. No breed should be blamed its the deeds that matter. I don't know about that but no dog large or small, undisciplined or not, should be trusted around a tiny baby. My comment wasn't about whether Huskies should be trusted or whether their owners should have children - don't know how it got interpreted that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidgy Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) Are you saying that people with Huskies shouldn't have children? If people train, exercise and give their husky a proper outlet it shouldn't be an issue. I agree about the cat, I rewatched it and saw the just looking...that is the general attitude of a lot of working dog trainer sand owners I know though, kinda lackadaisical. Poor kitteh Thats kind of the point isn't it? That dog had none of that. I have no idea if people with Huskies should have children - undoubtedly many shouldn't, like any group in society. I am saying that I would not trust any dog with such a tiny baby. Huskies are no more dangerous then any other dog if it has not been trained or socialised properly. I do not know of any cases personally but even the sweetest cavalier could maul a baby if not given proper training. No breed should be blamed its the deeds that matter. I don't know about that but no dog large or small, undisciplined or not, should be trusted around a tiny baby. My comment wasn't about whether Huskies should be trusted or whether their owners should have children - don't know how it got interpreted that way. Then why highlight that part of my post? it genuinely seems like you saying that husky owners should not have kids all dogs have teeth and all dogs can be unpredictable. Nobody 100% trusts anydog you could have a family dog for 12years and then one day its turns on a child. and that is the truth that NO BREED should be blamed only the deeds of each individual dog or owner.... the "breed" attitude is why there is BSL Edited October 11, 2012 by Squidgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lavendergirl Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Are you saying that people with Huskies shouldn't have children? If people train, exercise and give their husky a proper outlet it shouldn't be an issue. I agree about the cat, I rewatched it and saw the just looking...that is the general attitude of a lot of working dog trainer sand owners I know though, kinda lackadaisical. Poor kitteh Thats kind of the point isn't it? That dog had none of that. I have no idea if people with Huskies should have children - undoubtedly many shouldn't, like any group in society. I am saying that I would not trust any dog with such a tiny baby. Huskies are no more dangerous then any other dog if it has not been trained or socialised properly. I do not know of any cases personally but even the sweetest cavalier could maul a baby if not given proper training. No breed should be blamed its the deeds that matter. I don't know about that but no dog large or small, undisciplined or not, should be trusted around a tiny baby. My comment wasn't about whether Huskies should be trusted or whether their owners should have children - don't know how it got interpreted that way. Then why highlight that part of my post? it genuinely seems like you saying that husky owners should not have kids all dogs have teeth and all dogs can be unpredictable. Nobody 100% trusts anydog you could have a family dog for 12years and then one day its turns on a child. and that is the truth that NO BREED should be blamed only the deeds of each individual dog or owner.... the "breed" attitude is why there is BSL What?? That is strange logic. I am saying I don't know anything about Huskies and to repeat - yet again - what I said that no dog should be trusted around babies - which is what you seem to be saying as well. The dog featured in the show just happened to be a Husky - I couldn't care less what it was frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raineth Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) I watched it last night. I'm quite sceptical about the premise even though they showed the owners apparently doing much bettter with their dogs afterwards. It just doesn't seem all that logical to me. Get two people who have no idea about dogs, fly them to Australia to work with already trained working dogs even though at home they have a Staffy, Bully mix/ husky who are all completely untrained ??? I'm guessing the guy learnt to not be so incredibly lazy, and the lady learnt how to follow through and to be quieter; but I think it would take more than those things to turn their situation around. Also I am sceptical about Matt's statement that her dogs would end up killing each other. I don't really understand what made him come to that conclusion. Lastly I completely agree with lavendergirl that having the husky around the tiny baby as shown in that clip is asking for trouble. I firmly believe that dogs and babies don't ever need to mix like that, dogs should be taught to keep their distance from babies. A baby that young is especially at risk for being mistaken as prey, especially by a breed of dog that in most cases has strong prey drive as a trait. Lastly the cat incident made my blood boil. How they could watch from their window as their cat was at risk of being torn apart made me so angry. They should have gone out immediately. Then I found it hypocritical that Matt's wife came out screaming her guts out to get the dogs under control after they had criticised Kim for using volume to try to control the dogs Edited October 11, 2012 by raineth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 i agree Raineth with everything, only i do think the 2 bull breeds were very much in danger of doing damage to each other later. Male dominant with up and comming female, give it 6 months and she may well be not letting him dominate her The whole thing had no relavance to their problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lavendergirl Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I watched it last night. I'm quite sceptical about the premise even though they showed the owners apparently doing much bettter with their dogs afterwards. It just doesn't seem all that logical to me. Get two people who have no idea about dogs, fly them to Australia to work with already trained working dogs even though at home they have a Staffy, Bully mix/ husky who are all completely untrained ??? I'm guessing the guy learnt to not be so incredibly lazy, and the lady learnt how to follow through and to be quieter; but I think it would take more than those things to turn their situation around. Also I am sceptical about Matt's statement that her dogs would end up killing each other. I don't really understand what made him come to that conclusion. Lastly I completely agree with lavendergirl that having the husky around the tiny baby as shown in that clip is asking for trouble. I firmly believe that dogs and babies don't ever need to mix like that, dogs should be taught to keep their distance from babies. A baby that young is especially at risk for being mistaken as prey, especially by a breed of dog that in most cases has strong prey drive as a trait. Lastly the cat incident made my blood boil. How they could watch from their window as their cat was at risk of being torn apart made me so angry. They should have gone out immediately. Then I found it hypocritical that Matt's wife came out screaming her guts out to get the dogs under control after they had criticised Kim for using volume to try to control the dogs Pleased to see another common sense response - I thought I must be on another planet there for a while :laugh: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I thought the show was great! Sure there were a few bits that I didn't like or agree with but overall I thought it was pretty realistic & I also think its entirely possible that the 2 people can turn their & their dogs' lives around from such an experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasels Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) . Edited November 12, 2012 by Weasels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flame ryder Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 My dogs are watching this show right now. They wanted to join in when the dogs chased the cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heston1 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 We watched it and enjoyed it until the poor cat was nearly ripped apart by the dogs after which I had a catatonic 9 year old on my hands!! Was great to see the working dogs doing their thing though,! So clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Just watched it. While there were things I didn't agree with I do understand the basic premise. Leadership is very much about attitude, confidence and self worth and won't happen unless you have those things sorted for yourself. There were a lot of deeper issues with these two and it was more than about fixing their relationships with their dogs. Their relationship with their dogs was IMO in many ways a symptom of deeper issues. In a way working with the dogs was a bit of 'pop psychology' but it got them thinking about how they command themselves in general. It was IMO about stepping up and being more of a leader for themselves and their family as well as for their dogs. Do I think it solved all their problems? No - far from it. But IMO it gave them a starting point - to see that they had the power to influence things and that they COULD be a leader in life and to their dogs rather than just giving up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakbelgian Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Saw it last night too. Exactly what has cooking roo steaks & burning bread got to do with bonding with the dogs???? I don't think I saw the dogs in that scene. Next week may be interesting: 2 people go to Canada to work with service dogs. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Just watched it. While there were things I didn't agree with I do understand the basic premise. Leadership is very much about attitude, confidence and self worth and won't happen unless you have those things sorted for yourself. I regularly hand my dogs over to people who are struggling with something with their own dog. It is very rare that it doesn't make a difference. So often training issues are emotional or based on lack of confidence in themselves or their dog.. When you hand someone a trained dog, they only have themselves to think about as they know the dog can do the right thing. Often when they try again with their own dog, the difference & resolve in them is incredible and their dog responds accordingly. Edited October 15, 2012 by Vickie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Just watched it. While there were things I didn't agree with I do understand the basic premise. Leadership is very much about attitude, confidence and self worth and won't happen unless you have those things sorted for yourself. There were a lot of deeper issues with these two and it was more than about fixing their relationships with their dogs. Their relationship with their dogs was IMO in many ways a symptom of deeper issues. In a way working with the dogs was a bit of 'pop psychology' but it got them thinking about how they command themselves in general. It was IMO about stepping up and being more of a leader for themselves and their family as well as for their dogs. Do I think it solved all their problems? No - far from it. But IMO it gave them a starting point - to see that they had the power to influence things and that they COULD be a leader in life and to their dogs rather than just giving up. I watched it again last night..and was able to see this more clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasels Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) It was clear the people had greater issues that needed to be adressed, but I don't think that almost any aspect of how it was done on the show was the best way to help them. Flying them across the world, putting it on TV, throwing them into high pressure situations with dogs they had practically no chance of controlling in a completely foreign discipline. I'm sure it set up a story arc to watch them struggle so badly but they were absolutely set up to fail at the start - colour me cynical, but just so there'd be tears I reckon. And as someone pointed out to me the other day - the footage of the girl at the end she was doing standard reward-based training with her dogs, so someone probably went in there on the sly to teach her how to train her own dogs and they just didn't bother showing it. Because it wasn't good tv. Edited October 15, 2012 by Weasels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) IMO if she went home with a more positive attitude and then sought the help of a trainer then it was mission accomplished. Yes it is a tv show and tv is all about drama. Something to be expected. The shows premise is also all about changing people not necessarily about changing dogs I.e. a lot of dog problems are people problems and you have to change what underlies that before you can move on. It isn't actually a show about dog training it is about people training. The roo steaks thing. While a little weird that is classic adventure training psychology. Break em down and put them under stress to make them step up and challenge themselves. Edited October 15, 2012 by espinay2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teekay Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I thought it was supposed to be Canada this week but just had a look and they are sending 2 people to The Lost Dogs Home in Melbourne Don't think I can face watching it Here is the blurb from LDH and I would like to point out I am definitely NOT a loyal supporter but I subscribe to the website so I can see what kind of propaganda they send out. As a very kind and loyal supporter of The Lost Dogs’ Home I wish to bring to your attention a TV program called Don’t Blame The Dog. The show is a BBC documentary series currently showing on ABC2 on Wednesday at 8.30pm.In the ground-breaking series, irresponsible dog owners live and work alongside dog experts from around the world, with the aim of changing their attitudes and behaviour as dog owners, for the better. The Lost Dogs’ Home was fortunate to be invited to take part in the series, and this week Wednesday 17 October, the episode filmed at the Home’s North Melbourne shelter will be broadcast. You will meet Mishak who makes a living as a backyard breeder, selling pups to people he meets on the street. He doesn’t believe in walking his dogs on a leash. Also Amy who had given up training her dog Milo, so he has become a nuisance and places strain on her relationships with her mum and boyfriend. Under the guidance of the Home's experienced staff, Sue, Nicole and Jodie, guide Mishak and Amy and are confronted with some tough realities that change their outlook and the future for two abandoned dogs, King and Coco. I do want to mention that this episode shows some of the very sad realities of our daily work, which some viewers may find upsetting. However, overall we believe it to be a very inspiring show that demonstrates the positive effect our work, with your support, makes on the lives of irresponsibly owned dogs. It was an honour for the Home and my colleagues to be a part of this pioneering series and I really hope you’re able to tune in this week. Seeing how irresponsible behaviours and attitudes towards pets CAN be changed is remarkable and inspiring. I’m sure you’ll think so too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lavendergirl Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Thanks for the heads up - I definitely will not be watching! I am still too upset after watching that SBS program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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