Staffyluv Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 How heartbreaking.. How lucky she was that those 2 men came to help her also.. Rest in peace Lady - what a sad end to a little old lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Flying Furball Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 She did a really foolish thing putting her face so close to the dogs head. NOt saying I blame her, we do crazy things in frightening situations. Just relieved her face didnt get torn off. Poor woman and her sweet little dog. I don't think that foolish is at all relevant. If a dog attacked mine so ferociously I would fight back with all my might...the bloody thing would be lucky to get away alive as would the negligent owner My mother had her Silky killed in such circumstances and it was devestating for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 She did a really foolish thing putting her face so close to the dogs head. NOt saying I blame her, we do crazy things in frightening situations. Just relieved her face didnt get torn off. Poor woman and her sweet little dog. I don't think that foolish is at all relevant. If a dog attacked mine so ferociously I would fight back with all my might.. I would too, which is why I tried to say I get what she did (but reading what I posted above it wasn't that clear, sorry). I wouldn't bite a dogs ear personally as I think there are other ways to break a fight. Ive had to do it myself numerous times. Different people react differently though and that was just her reaction. She's a brave woman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 why do these fatal attacks invariably involve larger dogs? 'cos they are often not house dogs/can escape easier/are not properly socialised because they are 'guarding' the house /are not under full control as owners do not have the skills /..are perhaps of a certain temperament bred for specifically .. And because they're bigger, a bigger dog will normally be able to do more damage than a small one. I'd guess we don't hear about lots of minor attacks where small dogs were involved and there were no serious injuries because the dog was small and easier to be kicked off etc. If my dogs got out one day the last thing they would do would be to go on an attacking rampage. One would lick everyone to death and then they'd both get hit by cars most likely Of course, because you're a good owner! Oh gee thanks lovey I do try :laugh: I forgot to add mine are the sort that someone would try to steal as well. They're kept under very strict lock and key! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skye GSD Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 I am still upset after watching the interview on TV last night. My husband is retired and has a maltese/shitzu who he walks every morning. Fortunately we don't have many problems with loose dogs but I am always warning him to be on his guard. There will always be the people who debate the small dogs vs large dogs behaviour but it does not permit an owner to condone any attack on another dog - irrespective of size or breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Twice in recent years I have had strangers stop their cars to jump out and help me get an aggressive dog off mine. My guys are big, and stand a good chance in a fight. But getting attacked when quietly walking an on lead dog down the street is appalling. Poor brave lady, poor little dog. Thank goodness people stopped to help her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Twice in recent years I have had strangers stop their cars to jump out and help me get an aggressive dog off mine. My guys are big, and stand a good chance in a fight. But getting attacked when quietly walking an on lead dog down the street is appalling. Poor brave lady, poor little dog. Thank goodness people stopped to help her. yeah its not just small dogs, my bosses choc lab who is the biggest sook ever was attacked on leash by 2 off leash dogs and thank goodness he just went into submissive mode until the stupid owner got her dogs off him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinabean Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) How heartbreaking.. How lucky she was that those 2 men came to help her also.. Rest in peace Lady - what a sad end to a little old lady. RIP lady, and how awful for her owner. I hate to think of what the outcome might have been if nobody stopped to help her. I have had to defend my on-lead 28kg dog from loose dogs numerous times. It's always a frightening experience and thankfully people have come to my aid to remove the attacking dogs. Edited November 7, 2012 by trinabean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantis Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 and every owner of a large breed dog needs to start thinking about why these kinds of incidents keep happening, and how they can make sure to the best of their abilities that their dog is never in a position where they could do the same. No one is perfect and any dog is capable of such an act and sometimes it only takes a second or momentary lapse for the dog to have the chance, sadly though some dog "types" are far better equipped to cause terrible trauma and death than others, and whilst irresponsible owners who gravitate towards that type of animal are able to get them unregistered, probably not from sound breeding, (I would be willing to bet entire) sadly the days of responsible people being able to have them at all will be numbered. Not saying it's right, just stating the obvious based on history. Every owner of a smaller breed dog needs to think about the same thing. Our dogs have been attacked several times by smaller dogs (ironically, JRT crosses, mostly) and one of my dogs is now quite reactive to smaller dogs as a result of being nipped at, jumped on, mounted and barked at by aggressive small dogs that are always offleash (the dog in question is always kept on leash, as is the law). We see plenty of examples of other larger dogs becoming reactive to small dogs because the owners of small dogs seem to be under the impression that because their dog is small, it can't cause harm- failing to realise that harm is much more than just physical damage. Having a go at larger dogs generally is as thoughtless and ignorant as BSL- body size is no different from body shape; it does not determine how likely a dog is to attack another dog. Of course more physical damage could be done but that's only one side of the story and certainly not a reason to go on the attack and sling blame around. If you want to play the blame game, here's a good likely suspect- the owners of the two attacking dogs. They did the wrong thing. That does not mean all owners of large dogs do the wrong thing though and it certainly doesn't mean that irresponsible owners are more likely to be attracted to larger dogs. I've met plenty of idiot owners who have had small, fluffy dogs. My Kenny was attacked 3 times by off lead dogs, twice by big dogs & once by a poodle. He also had many small dogs lunging & growling at him, while the owners laughed, saying how cute their little dog was having a go at the big dog. Some people don't think the same rules apply to small dogs, as large dogs. Aggression in any size dog, should be stamped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 oh please, let's not turn this into a big dog vs small dog debate. All dog owners need to be responsible. Big dogs can cause more harm than little dogs (you can kick a little dog more easily). These are simple facts and yet people seem to harp on about them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpette Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 ALL DOGS, BIG and SMALL, need to be contained or onlead and under control when out, at all times. If not, small dogs end up dead and big dogs end up with reactive temperaments that can result in their death. Nobody wins. Not Small dogs. Not Big dogs. Not responsible owners. RIP Lady and many healing vibes coming your way Mrs Norman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skye GSD Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 ALL DOGS, BIG and SMALL, need to be contained or onlead and under control when out, at all times. If not, small dogs end up dead and big dogs end up with reactive temperaments that can result in their death. Nobody wins. Not Small dogs. Not Big dogs. Not responsible owners. RIP Lady and many healing vibes coming your way Mrs Norman. Well said Grumpette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frufru Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I didn't ask the question to revisit the big dog vs small dog debate; all dogs can be aggressive. However, reality is that if big dogs attack then people and dogs can end up very badly injured or dead. As an owner of large dogs for over 15 years and now with a mini poodle added to the mix my greatest fear has always been large loose dogs when I am out walking with mine - small ones I apply the boot to or growl at and they generally run away. My walks are more complicated now as I pick my mini up if we are charged or encounter large loose dogs - not an option with my big guys - the largest weighs 30kg. I am much more afraid of off leash large dogs than small ones. Idiot owners of large dogs seen to be different to idiot owners of small dogs too - yes I am applying a stereotype - it is called "profiling" I just hope they develop a dna test for "idiot dog owner" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 No, it's not profiling. Profiling is a psychology science. It is simply what you originally called it: a stereotype. Please don't pretend that it is the science of profiling unless you actually are a professional profiler who has published articles in psychology journals on the topic, in which case I'm sure we would all appreciate links to your papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 That is just around the corner from where i grew up Poor woman and dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke GSP Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 and every owner of a large breed dog needs to start thinking about why these kinds of incidents keep happening, and how they can make sure to the best of their abilities that their dog is never in a position where they could do the same. No one is perfect and any dog is capable of such an act and sometimes it only takes a second or momentary lapse for the dog to have the chance, sadly though some dog "types" are far better equipped to cause terrible trauma and death than others, and whilst irresponsible owners who gravitate towards that type of animal are able to get them unregistered, probably not from sound breeding, (I would be willing to bet entire) sadly the days of responsible people being able to have them at all will be numbered. Not saying it's right, just stating the obvious based on history. Every owner of a smaller breed dog needs to think about the same thing. Our dogs have been attacked several times by smaller dogs (ironically, JRT crosses, mostly) and one of my dogs is now quite reactive to smaller dogs as a result of being nipped at, jumped on, mounted and barked at by aggressive small dogs that are always offleash (the dog in question is always kept on leash, as is the law). We see plenty of examples of other larger dogs becoming reactive to small dogs because the owners of small dogs seem to be under the impression that because their dog is small, it can't cause harm- failing to realise that harm is much more than just physical damage. Having a go at larger dogs generally is as thoughtless and ignorant as BSL- body size is no different from body shape; it does not determine how likely a dog is to attack another dog. Of course more physical damage could be done but that's only one side of the story and certainly not a reason to go on the attack and sling blame around. If you want to play the blame game, here's a good likely suspect- the owners of the two attacking dogs. They did the wrong thing. That does not mean all owners of large dogs do the wrong thing though and it certainly doesn't mean that irresponsible owners are more likely to be attracted to larger dogs. I've met plenty of idiot owners who have had small, fluffy dogs. I didn't say anything about propensity/how likely to attack and in honesty do you believe that BSL is about the likelihood of attacking? Please people, understand that the public (in general) want to feel safe, they want their children to feel safe and yes they want their dogs to be safe (if they own one, if they don't then they probably would not care if all dogs were banned forever) which do you think the public is most worried about, a jumped up barking/growling SWF or a dog that either kills someone, something or injures someone??? Of course any interaction between animals that does not go smoothly can shape their behaviour, but I dont think that BSL or any other legislation would ever try and tackle that one as if it did, a large amount of people on here would be having issues as IME there are very few dogs that at some point do not have "a go" at another, but that is not what worries the public, they are worried about the ones that kill/injure people which in their perception tends to be large/powerful breeds So basically, if the largest percentage of deaths/serious injury are caused by a certain type/shape of dog it will be those that the public is worried about/want something done about. Frankly joe public doesn't give a hoot about bite propensity, animal behaviour or that the dog community considers it the owners "fault" they just perceive it as "another" powerful aggressive looking dog has "once again" attacked and killed someone or something. Please before everyone forms a pack and decides to attack me for the sentiment in this post, please read it and fully understand that I am stating Joe publics view (who is the people that the government is supposed to react in the interests of) not mine, but the sooner the dog owning community identifies and understands that any legislation is not (really) about likelihood of attack, it is about the (perceived) likelihood of a gruesome outcome, the more chance it will have of finding a solution! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantis Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 oh please, let's not turn this into a big dog vs small dog debate. All dog owners need to be responsible. Big dogs can cause more harm than little dogs (you can kick a little dog more easily). These are simple facts and yet people seem to harp on about them... Maybe because a lot of little dog owners, don't control their dogs because they are little. The problem is, if a little dog attacks, or harrasses a big dog & the big dog retaliates, it's always the big dog that gets blamed. The bolded part of your post, proves my point, just because they can't cause as much damage, doesn't mean they shouldn't be under control & not allowed to attack, growl at bigger dogs. Why is it always up to the big dog owner only, who should control their dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frufru Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) Sheridan, obviously I was being facetious in my last sentence ..... Edited November 7, 2012 by frufru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddy Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) oh please, let's not turn this into a big dog vs small dog debate. All dog owners need to be responsible. Big dogs can cause more harm than little dogs (you can kick a little dog more easily). These are simple facts and yet people seem to harp on about them... My comment was in response to Luke GSP saying.. and every owner of a large breed dog needs to start thinking about why these kinds of incidents keep happening Which I think is an irresponsible and very short-sighted way of looking at the issue (because the issue isn't big dogs attacking, it's dogs attacking). And Luke.. couching your argument in the "but this is what the public thinks" defense doesn't really cut it when you yourself said.. and every owner of a large breed dog needs to start thinking about why these kinds of incidents keep happening Small dogs kill and injury both people and other dogs. To believe otherwise is being willfully ignorant. Edited November 7, 2012 by Hardy's Angel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 ALL DOGS, BIG and SMALL, need to be contained or onlead and under control when out, at all times. If not, small dogs end up dead and big dogs end up with reactive temperaments that can result in their death. Nobody wins. Not Small dogs. Not Big dogs. Not responsible owners. RIP Lady and many healing vibes coming your way Mrs Norman. Well said I would not be thinking of my personal safety if I saw my dog getting attacked by another dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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