julesluvscavs Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) Oh really Jules. Maybe they not aware of that, since they don't usually stock it. They will probably call me about it as they are putting the order in next Monday. How much is in the tins? Edited November 16, 2012 by Jules♥Cavs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) Are the tins wet food did you mean? Edited November 16, 2012 by Jules♥Cavs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I pay around $45 for 12 tins. Yep is wet food. Hills told me to substitute K/D kibble for the L/D kibble. I was in my vets today and the L/D I ordered still hasn't arrived so I assume it is still out of stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) Ok thanks Jules, I'll check back on Monday at the vets about the situation.. Edited November 16, 2012 by Jules♥Cavs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Very interesting reading! I am going through a very similar situation with my 4 year old Kelpie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) Oh are you RalleyValley, hope its not too bad atm with your young kelpie?? Edited November 18, 2012 by Jules♥Cavs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Oh really Jules. Maybe they not aware of that, since they don't usually stock it. They will probably call me about it as they are putting the order in next Monday. How much is in the tins? Did you get the L/D? I found this site has it: http://www.thevetshed.com.au/buy/l-d-canine-cans-hills-prescrition-tray-of-12/HPCLDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Oh are you RalleyValley, hope its not too bad atm with your young kelpie?? Yeah he's in the vet on fluids now getting some tests done. He has been a bit out of character the last few days (rocking and staring into space, restless and aggressive/agitated) so I took him to my most trusted vet yesterday, the vet took bloods and as soon as the results came in and showed potential liver issues he was taken to the vet and admitted. Waiting to hear back from the vets with some test results... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Oh are you RalleyValley, hope its not too bad atm with your young kelpie?? He has been a bit out of character the last few days (rocking and staring into space, restless and aggressive/agitated) That sounds like hepatic encephalopathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 JulesP this is coped from the WA thread but it still makes sense (I hope): Thanks for the support everyone. Toby is now at Murdoch, ultrasounds show his liver is abornmally small, it's likely congenital and caused by shunt/s. We are getting him back stable then tomorrow seeing an internal medicine specialist to determine what can be done. The specialist told the vet that with lifestyle changes a dog like Toby can live for years, so we are cautiously optimistic that with the help of the specialists at Murdoch and a change in lifestyle Toby will pull through this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 JulesP this is coped from the WA thread but it still makes sense (I hope): Thanks for the support everyone. Toby is now at Murdoch, ultrasounds show his liver is abornmally small, it's likely congenital and caused by shunt/s. We are getting him back stable then tomorrow seeing an internal medicine specialist to determine what can be done. The specialist told the vet that with lifestyle changes a dog like Toby can live for years, so we are cautiously optimistic that with the help of the specialists at Murdoch and a change in lifestyle Toby will pull through this. A little liver was the first thing that alerted the vets to what was wrong with Amber. They were actually looking at her heart and noticed her liver was little. The specialist then found the shunts with their better equipment. I was given a life span of less than 3 years from when she was diagnosed But she isn't looking like kicking the bucket any time soon! The only real 'issue' I have is that she is pretty thin but the hair hides that and she is tiny compared to a normal border collie. It is also tricky if you need to treat them for other conditions as most things are processed through the liver and you need to avoid straining the liver. Generals can be very dangerous for them. Worming, vaccinations etc needs to be kept to a minimum. Diet is very important and needs to be a very easily digested protein. Meat protein is too hard for the liver to process. Toxins then build up in the brain which is what causes the rocking/staring into space etc. At its worst this can cause seizures & comas. You then need antibiotics to help clear the toxins. Lactulose is a medicine for constipation that also helps keep things moving through the dog. You actually want soft poos as you want the food etc moving quicker. Then there are the herbals things that can help. And pro/prebiotics. If Toby only has one shunt you can look at an operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 Oh really Jules. Maybe they not aware of that, since they don't usually stock it. They will probably call me about it as they are putting the order in next Monday. How much is in the tins? Did you get the L/D? I found this site has it: http://www.thevetshe...ay-of-12/HPCLDC no I haven't been able to get it yet ! they keep saying it will be in soon, so ive been hanging off trying to order it online, thank you for the link. if it doesn't come in next week, i will have to try to get it elsewhere ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) Oh are you RalleyValley, hope its not too bad atm with your young kelpie?? He has been a bit out of character the last few days (rocking and staring into space, restless and aggressive/agitated) That sounds like hepatic encephalopathy. See Renae has been doing that for a while now, only very mildy tho, shes not being aggressive or agitated tho. Just the rocking/ trances (but they only last for a few seconds) and staring into space, and the shakes (which are getting bit worse now) Edited November 24, 2012 by Jules♥Cavs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) well the vets finally had Renae's special tablets made up, I can't remember what they are called atm, will look them up after. They for her bile or something, meant to break it down? very very expensive !!! she has to have one every 12 hours. I asked them is it really necessary for her to have them as she seemed to perk up heaps from her AB's shes on. They said what she has is very serious, and that she needs to be on them.. I guess I will find out in 6 weeks when they do another blood test if they are doing her any good or not .. I thought she seems perkier in herself from the AB's, but since going on the second lot of meds, she seems to be more off colour and shaking more She's not lost any weight or hasn't been vomiting, seems to be fine otherwise.. It seems confusing to me, and Ive worrying heaps now about her Edited November 24, 2012 by Jules♥Cavs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 Don't you all think its strange that so many dogs are suffering with liver toxin problems lately? I seem to be hearing a lot about it atm ! I keep going over all the food ive given her and treats I give them. who knows ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I think it's that with the Internet we hear about it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoofnHoof Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Hope your girl is feeling better Jules. It's interesting when I first asked about liver shunts on here when I joined there was hardly anyone who knew about them, I think now with all the info vets are getting better at picking up these sorts of problems. I know when my boy was sick none of the vets there had any idea what was wrong with him, this was a practice of about 4-5 vets all of whom had been consulted on the case and no one knew, it was only the network I had at the time allowed me to investigate further and eventually find the cause. So it probably is more prominent than we realise its just that before a dog might get sick and die and no one really knew why, we hardly ever did bloods or autopsies, we have so much more information now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 I think it's that with the Internet we hear about it more. Yeah i think so, but i have heard of a few dogs locally here where we live that have just been diagnosed also, and they dogs heaps younger than Renae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) Hope your girl is feeling better Jules. It's interesting when I first asked about liver shunts on here when I joined there was hardly anyone who knew about them, I think now with all the info vets are getting better at picking up these sorts of problems. I know when my boy was sick none of the vets there had any idea what was wrong with him, this was a practice of about 4-5 vets all of whom had been consulted on the case and no one knew, it was only the network I had at the time allowed me to investigate further and eventually find the cause. So it probably is more prominent than we realise its just that before a dog might get sick and die and no one really knew why, we hardly ever did bloods or autopsies, we have so much more information now. Yeah true WoofnHoof... we only took the Renae to the vets because of her shakes, which is then why they did an extensive blood test.. then recently an Ultrasound.. Had she not been shaking, I wouldnt have thought anything was wrong with her, and wouldn't have taken her to the vets.. They still not 100 percent sure if the shaking and trances are related to the liver problem.. I hope we have got it in the early stages then, time will tell... She is 10 and any extra time we get with her is a bonus now. If it gets real serious , I will not put her through a lot of suffering at her age.. Edited November 24, 2012 by Jules♥Cavs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 The only one thing that doesn't seem to be common with other dogs with liver issues is that she is putting on weight, not losing it ! and shes always very hungry and seeking out food obsessively.. not just whats normal for a cavalier, but beyond that ! which is why they initially thought it could be cushings, and did the ultrasound to check that she didn't have any cancers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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