Pound Rounds

[Are You Serious Jo]

It was the lies about the drugs that was exposed, she claimed they were vet prescribed (as in only use vet prescribed) and they weren't. She got away with the shock collars because they weren't in use but I think she might have flagged herself now.

So are you saying the drugs were not dispensed by a vet? How else could she have gotten them?

She bought them from a company who stocks it, there is a picture of the invoice that lists them and pictures of the boxes of drugs that a whistleblower took. Go check PRB, it's all there.

[Steve]

I can see a photo of a box of drugs - but cant see any invoice and if its a vet only prescription drug and she could buy it from a company how is this possible?

Edited January 25, 2013 by Steve

[hotdogz]

Blacktown can't be a no kill shelter.

There is a very human aggressive dog there now. Unsure if it is still there, back block. I'm not a beginner in dog behaviour - this dog was one of the few "red zone" aggressive dogs I have seen. If my finger went through the mesh, I'd have lost it.

No idea how it passed the behavioural assessment - but it was up for EOI.

The dog you talk about is not HA.

Put your finger in I do.

If you like I will get it out for you.

It is in D block the last kennel row.

I do not wish to hijack this thread and I am not affiliated to any rescue group.

But I am a volunteer at the Blacktown AHF. A volunteer from its earliest days.

And for 2 days now I have been stewing over comments made on this thread regarding the above mentioned comments by NotMidol.

I challenged you regarding this dog and your only come back was we agree to disagree.

I will challenge you again to meet me at the AHF tomorrow Saturday 26/1/13 at 9.00am yes they are open, to assess this dog seeing you have stated that you are not a beginner in dog behaviour.

This dog is neither human or dog aggressive and with a few hrs training it will be stock proof.

Finally this dog is very intelligent and in fact has a acute sense to be able to single out frauds.

Hope to see you tomorrow at 9.00 am as I have cancelled a appointment to prove you wrong.

Once again sorry for this rant as it does not pertain to the topic.

Edited January 25, 2013 by hotdogz

[Are You Serious Jo]

I can see a photo of a box of drugs - but cant see any invoice and if its a vet only prescription drug and she could buy it from a company how is this possible?

That was an error on my part, I was thinking of the invoice and montage at the same time, told you I was not on the ball! But, she still has a schedule 4 drug with no sign of a vet sticker. I'm pretty sure you are required to always put a label on prescription drugs when prescribing. She has a lot worse going on though so it's not a biggie, just another bit of bad behaviour in a whole lot of bad behaviour.

[Sparassidae]

Blacktown can't be a no kill shelter.

There is a very human aggressive dog there now. Unsure if it is still there, back block. I'm not a beginner in dog behaviour - this dog was one of the few "red zone" aggressive dogs I have seen. If my finger went through the mesh, I'd have lost it.

No idea how it passed the behavioural assessment - but it was up for EOI.

The dog you talk about is not HA.

Put your finger in I do.

If you like I will get it out for you.

It is in D block the last kennel row.

I do not wish to hijack this thread and I am not affiliated to any rescue group.

But I am a volunteer at the Blacktown AHF. A volunteer from its earliest days.

And for 2 days now I have been stewing over comments made on this thread regarding the above mentioned comments by NotMidol.

I challenged you regarding this dog and your only come back was we agree to disagree.

I will challenge you again to meet me at the AHF tomorrow Saturday 26/1/13 at 9.00am yes they are open, to assess this dog seeing you have stated that you are not a beginner in dog behaviour.

This dog is neither human or dog aggressive and with a few hrs training it will be stock proof.

Finally this dog is very intelligent and in fact has a acute sense to be able to single out frauds.

Hope to see you tomorrow at 9.00 am as I have cancelled a appointment to prove you wrong.

Once again sorry for this rant as it does not pertain to the topic.

Sorry, I work weekends.

That said, what makes you think you're even referring to the same dog as I am?

Edited January 25, 2013 by NotMidol

[hotdogz]

Blacktown can't be a no kill shelter.

There is a very human aggressive dog there now. Unsure if it is still there, back block. I'm not a beginner in dog behaviour - this dog was one of the few "red zone" aggressive dogs I have seen. If my finger went through the mesh, I'd have lost it.

No idea how it passed the behavioural assessment - but it was up for EOI.

The dog you talk about is not HA.

Put your finger in I do.

If you like I will get it out for you.

It is in D block the last kennel row.

I do not wish to hijack this thread and I am not affiliated to any rescue group.

But I am a volunteer at the Blacktown AHF. A volunteer from its earliest days.

And for 2 days now I have been stewing over comments made on this thread regarding the above mentioned comments by NotMidol.

I challenged you regarding this dog and your only come back was we agree to disagree.

I will challenge you again to meet me at the AHF tomorrow Saturday 26/1/13 at 9.00am yes they are open, to assess this dog seeing you have stated that you are not a beginner in dog behaviour.

This dog is neither human or dog aggressive and with a few hrs training it will be stock proof.

Finally this dog is very intelligent and in fact has a acute sense to be able to single out frauds.

Hope to see you tomorrow at 9.00 am as I have cancelled a appointment to prove you wrong.

Once again sorry for this rant as it does not pertain to the topic.

Sorry, I work weekends.

That said, what makes you think you're even referring to the same dog as I am?

Cop out.

You make false allegations and then hide behind your keyboard.

What day are you available to meet at the pound to assess this dog.

Or I will get this dog on duty of care and bring it to you.

Can't get fairer than that.

[tdierikx]

In all fairness hotdogz, I've had to hold a dog while it was given it's wings that was perfectly fine with me, but a complete nightmare of a dog when it came to anyone else - to the point of bailing up and attacking anyone who wasn't me... is that the kind of dog that should be rehomed - or held indefinitely in kennels until it decided to like anyone but me? Would that really be fair on the dog?

T.

[hotdogz]

In all fairness hotdogz, I've had to hold a dog while it was given it's wings that was perfectly fine with me, but a complete nightmare of a dog when it came to anyone else - to the point of bailing up and attacking anyone who wasn't me... is that the kind of dog that should be rehomed - or held indefinitely in kennels until it decided to like anyone but me? Would that really be fair on the dog?

T.

So you also know this dog. pfffft.

This dog can be handled by anyone.

It has been handled by others at the AHF also.

So when did you see the dog in question.

Don't get me wrong I am well aware that some dogs are not rehomable but the original post about this dog was it was red zone human aggressive which is totally untrue.

This dog is purely being subject to a false claim by one person to lay weight to their comment on this topic about PR.

Cheers

Edited January 26, 2013 by hotdogz

[Sheridan]

In all fairness hotdogz, I've had to hold a dog while it was given it's wings that was perfectly fine with me, but a complete nightmare of a dog when it came to anyone else - to the point of bailing up and attacking anyone who wasn't me... is that the kind of dog that should be rehomed - or held indefinitely in kennels until it decided to like anyone but me? Would that really be fair on the dog?

T.

So you also know this dog. pfffft.

This dog can be handled by anyone.

It has been handled by others at the AHF also.

So when did you see the dog in question.

Cheers

I think NotMidol's point is that you actually may not be talking about the same dog. I realise you seem to be quite invested in whichever dog you mean but please, your hostility is entirely useless here and off topic.

[hotdogz]

In all fairness hotdogz, I've had to hold a dog while it was given it's wings that was perfectly fine with me, but a complete nightmare of a dog when it came to anyone else - to the point of bailing up and attacking anyone who wasn't me... is that the kind of dog that should be rehomed - or held indefinitely in kennels until it decided to like anyone but me? Would that really be fair on the dog?

T.

So you also know this dog. pfffft.

This dog can be handled by anyone.

It has been handled by others at the AHF also.

So when did you see the dog in question.

Cheers

I think NotMidol's point is that you actually may not be talking about the same dog. I realise you seem to be quite invested in whichever dog you mean but please, your hostility is entirely useless here and off topic.

We are talking of the same dog.

And as NotMidol chose to make comment on this dog on this topic of PR then it is relevant.

Maybe you could get NotMidol to delete her comment or persuade her to assess this dog.

I have no desire to enter into this topic on PR but believe it is unjust to single out a dog with a claim that is totally untrue.

[_PL_]

Before knickers get further tangled (taking this thread with it) maybe you could both sort it out via PM or another thread? :) I understand you both need to have a say but it's just going to go back and forth yes...no...yes...no....etc etc.

[Steve]

Sooner or later surely to God someone has to work out that the rest of the world can see what is being said here and someone has to work out that this crap is doing rescue nothing but damage.

If you dont like what has been said report it and keep your rubbish private.

this whole entire thread does nothing more than publicly expose everything that stinks in the rescue world

How does any of this stop one dog from suffering

Get a grip.

Edited January 26, 2013 by Steve

[mita]

[i have no desire to enter into this topic on PR but believe it is unjust to single out a dog with a claim that is totally untrue.

Unless you break the forum rules, you have as much right as anyone else to make a point about a matter already brought up. And you've done so, offering a real-life testing. Seems it hasn't been taken up. It's back to the main topic.

Edited January 26, 2013 by mita

[shmoo]

Pound Rounds: Cease functioning Petition

[poochmad]

Question. Is the purpose of this thread to address the concerns regarding PR or is it to address the concerns regarding the lack of regulations or loop holes for rescue (all rescue)?

[Sheridan]

It's to complain about them, I think.

[Jingle Bells]

Pound Rounds are in more trouble, so it seems.

Looks like they are asking for money for vet bills for dog poisoning when people have phoned police and found out there is no record of dogs being baited. So how can a group ask for money for vet bills when there is no vets to pay?

People asking to pay direct to the vet get banned. Ex pound rounders have rung all the vets who deal with pound rounds but it seems no record of any so called baiting.

Looks like 2 or 3 other groups also popped up who are very worried about Pound Rounds.

I made the mistake of donating to pound rounds but they did not answer my questions and instead just banned me from asking more.

It is all very sad and they are doing damage to ethical rescue and rescue's credibility.

I call BS and a big scam!

Plenty of links on Facebook

Pound Rounds beware

Pound Rounds Exposed

A very dodgy email address also suggested by Pound Rounds to use (this is [email protected] )

** IMPORTANT MESSAGE **

As some of you may be aware volunteers of the Pound Rounds have been forced to take legal action and seek police help for the recent alleged threats, trespass and theft, resulting in serious, life threatening injury to our kennel dogs.

We are inviting anyone with any information to contact the police with information relating to anyone who may have injured the dogs in our care and who may provide information related to the planning of the break in at our kennels.

Being aware of illegal activity or being involved in the planning of illegal activity and not reporting it to the police is a crime and carries criminal and civil legal liabilities.

Pound Rounds members are also seeking legal action against some members of this group and would ask anyone who has received unsolicited communication that may have sought to;

a) Denigrate Pound Rounds or its members.

b) Provide links to hate pages or invitations to join hate groups.

c) Accuse Pound Rounds or any it’s members of ‘illegal’, ‘unethical’ or ‘irresponsible’ or erroneous activity.

d) Defamed or slanders Pound Rounds or it's members.

Please forward all information to [email protected] or contact your nearest police station if you believe you have inadvertently been involved in illegal activity. If you do not have original information; statutory declarations or emails with your version of events will still help in the initial term. All information is confidential and will be handled only by our legal team and/or the police.

Edited February 17, 2013 by Jingle Bells

[poochmad]

Actually, JB, they've gone a bit further and are now naming people who are allegedly against them. They are accusing them of slander, but isn't naming people on a public forum, slanderous in itself?

Of particular interest to potential current legal action;

Merryn Benham (formally Mackay)

Nic Burford

Melissa Plunkett

Cheryl Arsenault

Rachel Fedoryschyn

Members of the hate page that you may have been contacted by;

Mel Plunkett (page admin)

Save a Paw (Melissa Plunkett – page admin)

Carol Tiger Spirit Nemes member more than one year

Sharon Kitchener member more than one year

Nadine Scott member more than one year

BSA Rescue member more than one year

Belinda Blom (BSA rescue) member more than one year

Cate Cameron (K9 Behaviour Specialist) member more than one year

Melanie Wants Oscar Law member more than one year

Sue Ann Hill member more than one year

Grant Chate member more than one year

Vince Phillpot member more than one year

Kelly Issanchon member more than one year

Merryn Benham long term member

Tim Vasudeva added by Mel Plunkett

Kim Hollingsworth added by Melissa Plunkett

Jiggywiggs Mead added by Mel Plunektt

Paula Robinson added by Melissa Plunkett

Clint Michael Law added by Mel Plunkett

Kate Kearney added by Mel Plunkett

James Owen added by Mel Plunkett

Cheryl Arsenault added by Mel Plunkett

Karen Dogma Camelleri added by Mel Plunkett

Alex Rigby added by Mel Plunkett

Marg Bonnar added by Miriam Schiller

Claire Hargreaves added by Miriam Schiller

Raylee Star added by Miriam Schiller

Heather Harrison added by Miriam Schiller

Rachel Fedoryschyn (Renbury Animal Shelter) added by Miriam Schiller

Michelle Butcher added by Rachel Fedoryschyn

Narelle Lewis (Paws & Hooves Rescue) added by Rachel Fedoryschyn

Paul Lewis (Paws & Hooves Rescue) added by Rachel Fedoryschyn

Kris Kennedy added by Rachel Fedoryschyn

Jenny Cares (Storaker) added by Rachel Fedoryschyn

Jo Davis added by Merryn Benham

Nic Burford added by Merryn Mckay (neBenham)

Kelly Drury added by Merryn Benham

Megan McDowell added by Kelly Drury

Jane Rae added by Kelly Drury

Rebecca Woods added by Kelly Drury

Queenie Noodle added by Carol Oscars Law Nemes

Sharon Drage added by Raylee Star

Kathy Star added by Raylee Star

Kylee Bullen added by BSA Rescue

Gayle Ferguson added by Marg Bonnar

Annie Greenaway added by Adele Presgrave

Donna Reed added by Sue Ann Hill

Sue England added by Sue-Ann Hill

Adele Presgrave added by Paula Robinson

Blythe Hay-Livesey added by Karen Dogmad Camelleri

[tdierikx]

Interesting list...

T.

[_PL_]

Actually, JB, they've gone a bit further and are now naming people who are allegedly against them. They are accusing them of slander, but isn't naming people on a public forum, slanderous in itself?

I think so. You can't try to prosecute someone doing exactly what you are doing. Or at least it's very hard even if the slanderous material is rock solid. Then the other side produces reams of previous material and the whole thing becomes too messy for time-poor lawyers to get involved with. The very first thing they'd ask is Do you have any skeletons in the closet?

I do feel very sorry for the published names people. If I had been added to the 'secret' group (which would never have happened btw :laugh: ) I probably would have stayed there just to watch the stupidity. And what MN doesn't realise is that some people (not fans of PR either) have been abused and booted from that group for asking very reasonable questions re WTF are they thinking. So of course there will be people on that list who were silent readers.

It's become a mess, a grudge match between two women. And completely undoing rescue in a bloody FB feeding frenzy. Stay away.