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corrie   

I have done extensive searches on this forum around separation anxiety and I don't think any poster has received the level of support that Jellyblush has received. I believe the majority of posters have been genuinely caring and made constructive suggestions.

Jellyblush if you find this thread too overwhelming then perhaps you should just request that the thread be deleted and work with whomever you choose in private.

I agree with the bolded bit and Jellyblush has made it crystal clear how much she appreciates the advice and support she has received.

I cannot see anywhere she has suggested this thread is too overwhelming. confused.gif ...And how is the level of support Jellyblush has received in comparison to others relevant or why is it even necessary to make that comparison?

All she has done is stated that she is now going to completely follow Nekhbets program. Nekhbet is the only one in this topic who has assessed Roo and her behaviour in the real world. I think it is reasonable to assume for the time being that Jelly and Nekhbet have got it covered and although updates are great Nekhbet shouldn't have to come in here to stave off well meaning internet advice and justify her own real life observations of Roo and the program she is implementing.

You have given some great advice, Rosetta and so have others but some of us would like to keep sending our well wishes without this topic being deleted and if Jelly wanted to deleted I am sure she can decide that off her own back.

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Rosetta   

I have done extensive searches on this forum around separation anxiety and I don't think any poster has received the level of support that Jellyblush has received. I believe the majority of posters have been genuinely caring and made constructive suggestions.

Jellyblush if you find this thread too overwhelming then perhaps you should just request that the thread be deleted and work with whomever you choose in private.

I agree with the bolded bit and Jellyblush has made it crystal clear how much she appreciates the advice and support she has received.

I cannot see anywhere she has suggested this thread is too overwhelming. confused.gif ...And how is the level of support Jellyblush has received in comparison to others relevant or why is it even necessary to make that comparison?

All she has done is stated that she is now going to completely follow Nekhbets program. Nekhbet is the only one in this topic who has assessed Roo and her behaviour in the real world. I think it is reasonable to assume for the time being that Jelly and Nekhbet have got it covered and although updates are great Nekhbet shouldn't have to come in here to stave off well meaning internet advice and justify her own real life observations of Roo and the program she is implementing.

You have given some great advice, Rosetta and so have others but some of us would like to keep sending our well wishes without this topic being deleted and if Jelly wanted to deleted I am sure she can decide that off her own back.

Well she doesn't have to does she? And yes it is up to the OP whether she wants to take it on board - that is kind of my point.

Can't be bothered explaining my other points.

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Snook   

Well said Nekhbet.

As for suggestions to delete the thread, I think it would be a terrible shame for Jelly to lose this source of support and encouragement and for others to lose the wealth of information in this thread. Perhaps we can all do what trifecta has suggested and give Jelly and Nekhbet some breathing space and only pop in here with positive comments to help keep Jelly's spirits up for the time being. :)

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I think I'm going to put my foot down on this talk and speculation.

This is still, at least in most part, a private professional relationship between myself and Jelly. She can posts up whatever she feels comfortable to on here, I am open in what I do, but if her or I do not divulge EVERY single detail to you lot, that does not mean it's time for speculation, or panic behavior.

The medication situation and effects, as well as previous medication trials have been taken into consideration with my decisions regarding roo as well.

The behaviourists methods were Clomicalm, which appears to have made a tangible improvement.

They haven't actually. Not at all. In fact the dog's moving backwards on the medication.

It's OK greytmate, I actually know what I'm doing and your constant insistance of a time frame and written plan are frankly, annoying - I don't plan on protracting this situation forever but frankly our agreement is none of your business. Your insinuation like I'm some DVD scholared behavioral trainer is insulting. I do what I do, it works. I have spoken IN DEPTH to Jelly A LOT about all facets of this situation, and I literally have my phone open to her 24 hours a day, no matter what the problem is. I'm the last person to be unrealistic about this situation and Jelly knows this, but ultimately I will help her until she says she doesnt need my help anymore for whatever reason that may be.

So keep this thread light, that is the point of it.

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:grouphug: for nek, jelly and Roo

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Hi everyone, just popping in quickly to clear up any confusion regarding possibly finding the thread overwhelming - I find ROO overwhelming, but not this thread!

People have been wonderful with both encouragement and practical support, most especially Nekh but also so many others and I HUGELY appreciate it. I love this thread, it means a great deal to me to be able to share Roo's improvements or have people sympathise over her setbacks, I have absolutely no support in the actual world, none of my friends have dogs, and frankly, they all question my grasp on reality for caring so much about mine.

Without this thread both Roo and I would be in a much worse place, there is no doubt. So, I really would not like to see it either closed or deleted.

On the other hand, it is very upsetting to see Nekh questioned when she has helped me purely out of kindness. Both Nekh and I know Roo. A commitment to Nekh's advice and methods has been made - yes I'm very aware that there are other views and perspectives, and yes I originally came in here asking for some of those, but I have tried most if not all alternative approaches without success.

I would like to see this thread support Nekh as much as it does me, rather than question her or her methods. At the end of the day she is a person who is freely giving her time and attention to help me and my dog as best she can for no gain to herself.

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oh and as to why this thread on separation anxiety has so many posts - it is clearly cos my dog is so cute :laugh:

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oh and as to why this thread on separation anxiety has so many posts - it is clearly cos my dog is so cute :laugh:

Of course :p

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oh and as to why this thread on separation anxiety has so many posts - it is clearly cos my dog is so cute :laugh:

Absolutely correct :thumbsup::thumbsup: :laugh: :laugh:

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corvus   

How can anyone question Nekhbet? We don't really know what she's doing.

If anyone feels like some 'light' reading, there's a really well written and referenced paper on separation anxiety that's available here: http://www.behav.org/00library/articles/dog/dog_behav_separation_anx.pdf It may help to explain things like why a dog can be fine with separation in one context but not in others, and why some conflicting advice has been given about leaving signals and the likes. It's one of my favourite papers on SA.

There's also a great article on it by Robert Holmes here: http://adoreanimals.com/articles/lonely-dogs/, which touches on some of the psychological theories behind SA, like opponent-process theory, which sounds like it might be applicable to Roo. Robert Holmes gave a talk on emotional neural substrates and separation distress at a seminar I was at recently. I was pretty impressed with what he had to say. He was particularly concerned for dogs that may experience separation distress but not show it overtly. I am so happy this kind of thing is being talked about. I have met some dogs in the course of my research that have left me feeling uneasy about common living arrangements and lifestyles of dogs, not to mention how they are being trained and what they are being trained to do.

Lastly, for some heavy reading that is kind of indirectly related to SA, there is an excellent paper about pathological anxiety in animals here: http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/vet/2009-0128-200403/sdarticle.pdf It explains why fearful and anxious animals behave the way they do and gives a good rundown on signs to look for and what they indicate.

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Rosetta   

How can anyone question Nekhbet? We don't really know what she's doing.

If anyone feels like some 'light' reading, there's a really well written and referenced paper on separation anxiety that's available here: http://www.behav.org/00library/articles/dog/dog_behav_separation_anx.pdf It may help to explain things like why a dog can be fine with separation in one context but not in others, and why some conflicting advice has been given about leaving signals and the likes. It's one of my favourite papers on SA.

There's also a great article on it by Robert Holmes here: http://adoreanimals.com/articles/lonely-dogs/, which touches on some of the psychological theories behind SA, like opponent-process theory, which sounds like it might be applicable to Roo. Robert Holmes gave a talk on emotional neural substrates and separation distress at a seminar I was at recently. I was pretty impressed with what he had to say. He was particularly concerned for dogs that may experience separation distress but not show it overtly. I am so happy this kind of thing is being talked about. I have met some dogs in the course of my research that have left me feeling uneasy about common living arrangements and lifestyles of dogs, not to mention how they are being trained and what they are being trained to do.

Lastly, for some heavy reading that is kind of indirectly related to SA, there is an excellent paper about pathological anxiety in animals here: http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/vet/2009-0128-200403/sdarticle.pdf It explains why fearful and anxious animals behave the way they do and gives a good rundown on signs to look for and what they indicate.

Great info Corvus! I myself would like to see a separate thread set up to discuss separation anxiety in general - and perhaps other anxiety related conditions -unrelated to this topic so no one can take offence - with discussions of various treatments, people's experiences etc. It would be great if such a topic could be "pinned" so all the discussion and information could be found easily and people feel free to discuss the subject openly.

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tdierikx   

oh and as to why this thread on separation anxiety has so many posts - it is clearly cos my dog is so cute :laugh:

You better believe she's darned cute! And she has a fan club right here... regardless of her issues and whether or not they can be fixed (fingers crossed they can)

T.

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bianca.a   

I think all of us have come to care deeply for both you and your beautiful girl :) Wishing you only the best.

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Absolutely agree bianca, I'd love to keep following Roo's story, she's become one of those DOL "family" dogs.

And Jelly, at the thought of thread being deleted I was going to post "pleeeease don't, I wanna keep seeing the gorgeous Roo photos".

I love the one with the pig in her mouth, I imagine her presenting you with it and saying "look I have a pig" then you say "oh thank you" and go to take it from her, the she looks annoyed and says "no, it's my pig, hmph" :rofl:

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Absolutely agree bianca, I'd love to keep following Roo's story, she's become one of those DOL "family" dogs.

And Jelly, at the thought of thread being deleted I was going to post "pleeeease don't, I wanna keep seeing the gorgeous Roo photos".

I love the one with the pig in her mouth, I imagine her presenting you with it and saying "look I have a pig" then you say "oh thank you" and go to take it from her, the she looks annoyed and says "no, it's my pig, hmph" :rofl:

That is such a sweet post! And the pig scenario has definitely happened! She is in total command of all toys in the house. Of which there are many, we go to the $2 shop together every Satruday morning on the way to get my coffee, she chooses a new one from the stand outside. Spoilt much?! Silly little muppet is asleep on my feet right now. She has a red raw snout from who knows what sort of anxious scratching at it. But is snoring away happily.

Since you have been so sweet about the pics here is my favourite mum and Roo pic :)

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and Roo & a very surprised looking little friend

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Roo-dolph :)

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Aaawww, beautiful girl! Thank you for the photos :)

If I'm ever in Melbourne I so want to arrange to meet her! (oh and you of course :laugh: )

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tdierikx   

I love the mum and Roo photos... they really do show the bond you have with her - despite all of the frustrations she has put you through.

She's a very special girl... and I agree, she's become part of the DOL "family" via this thread.

Please keep the photos coming - Roo is gorgeous!

T.

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oonga   

I think all of us have come to care deeply for both you and your beautiful girl :) Wishing you only the best.

Agree with this!! Even to the point of a bit of possessiveness and protection towards Roo and Jelly from some of us :)

Thanks for choosing to keep updating this thread :)

I LOVE the photo of Roo with her friend in the background! The way she is sitting up close, and that expression as if to say, there is nothing to see in the background!!

Look at me! It's all about ME! Look here i am!! :laugh:

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Snook   

Roo is so beautiful. I just love the pic of the two of you together. :heart:

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