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Charjas   

Hi all. Haven't posted for ages. I'm at my wits end with Jasper though and have tried everything including the calendular tea, lavender oil, cortavance spray, neem oil. He licks a spot until red and in the last 8 months has had only a 2 month period without wearing his cone. One spot heals and he attacks another foot. Not only is one foot taped with a sock on it but I noticed thinning hair on his front foot and he's got some bald patches there too. This time the worst foot, which has the sock, is the size of a 10c. I believe it's grass but nothing works and In fact I'm beginning to think its worse because I put cream or spray on it and he's determined to lick it off. Every last bit until it's red raw and hair gone.

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Steve   

Hi all. Haven't posted for ages. I'm at my wits end with Jasper though and have tried everything including the calendular tea, lavender oil, cortavance spray, neem oil. He licks a spot until red and in the last 8 months has had only a 2 month period without wearing his cone. One spot heals and he attacks another foot. Not only is one foot taped with a sock on it but I noticed thinning hair on his front foot and he's got some bald patches there too. This time the worst foot, which has the sock, is the size of a 10c. I believe it's grass but nothing works and In fact I'm beginning to think its worse because I put cream or spray on it and he's determined to lick it off. Every last bit until it's red raw and hair gone.

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Just ordered some calendula tea after reading through parts of this thread more than once!

Alfie is losing quite a lot of coat, and though doesn't seem to be too itchy, the coat is a lot lot thinner than on previous occasions. He's a funny one - not really had allergies before, just the usual change from thicker coat to thinner and vice versa depending on the weather/seasons. This time seems to be different though and after a visit to our vet definitely has yeasty skin and little red tootsies. My vet is a new vet to us, and I specifically chose the practice because of their more holistic approach. Alfie currently has some antihistamines and was bathed in malaseb (which I find quite harsh and tends to make his coat flaky anyway).

But I really want to give the calendula a go - so we'll see!

Thanks all.

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Erny   

Good luck, TessiesTracey. I think the Calendula Tea is much kinder to skin than any medicated based shampoos, creams etc. and worth using.

Based on what you've written, I'd be inclined to investigate thyroid levels with your dog. And not via our Aussie laboratories, but via Dr Jean Dodds (USA) testing (HemoPet/HemoLife) because theirs is more thorough and more sensitive. Our Aussie method can show a negative but that doesn't necessarily mean it is negative - it might just mean the thyroid tissue has not destructed to the extent that is needed for our Aussie tests to pick up.

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Good luck, TessiesTracey. I think the Calendula Tea is much kinder to skin than any medicated based shampoos, creams etc. and worth using.

Based on what you've written, I'd be inclined to investigate thyroid levels with your dog. And not via our Aussie laboratories, but via Dr Jean Dodds (USA) testing (HemoPet/HemoLife) because theirs is more thorough and more sensitive. Our Aussie method can show a negative but that doesn't necessarily mean it is negative - it might just mean the thyroid tissue has not destructed to the extent that is needed for our Aussie tests to pick up.

I agree wholeheartedly with Ernys comments re thyroid testing... and the alarm bells for me are the thinning coat and the yeasty skin. I add that I have had several "thyroid" dogs and all have presented with differing symptoms ranging from : becoming snappy, indolent, greasy/smelly skin, thinning coat, weight gain, yeasty ears, constant eye problems, heat and cold intolerance.. and on it goes.

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Dear Erny and Steve,

Have either of you heard of a dog allergic to calendula or developing an allergy to it? Tempeh (shar pei) developed some severe itchies out of the blue the day after her last rinse a month ago and she smelt funny too. I took her to the vet fearing mange it was that bad - between her toes even and her paws looked almost burnt. I did the rinse with her standing on the grass but on a towel. Our other two dogs were rinsed with the same batch and on the same towel. I also use calendula cream (that my vet makes up) on any wounds created from the scratching. At first it seems to soothe the area but the next day it looks much worse and is back to itching again. She has been to the vet and is still on medication and we are still having breakthrough rashes (and I have still been putting calendula cream on the worst of it). We have been through the yard with a fine tooth comb and have restricted her diet. I don't feel like we are even close to identifying the cause. She seems to become quite itchy during the night while she's sleeping. Her red areas get all hot and sweaty and she starts scratching as soon as she wakes up. Because I'm not sure of the cause (and obviously we have a ways to go to work it out) I'm just wondering if I should be steering clear of the calendula too? Very sad if we have to go back to malaseb baths. And even though she is a shar pei we have never had any skin problems before.

Thank you!

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Erny   

I have NEVER had a bad reaction to it. I don't use the Calendula Cream. Only purely the Calendula Tea wash, as that's all I've needed and it's been sufficient to cleanse and dry up the skin irritation and outbreaks.

I can only relate to my own experiences with it, but on what you've said regarding smell, I can't help but suggest there's something going on that's coming from within and for that the first port of call would be to investigate diet, immune system (including thyroid) and a general blood screen work-up. Can't remember without going all the way through this thread what you might have said in relation to that.

When my boy first broke-out in symptomatic skin eruptions (early days) they were really quite extreme. I used the Calendula Tea wash frequently through the day (spot-washes on affected areas after the first all-over bathe). The colour and temperature of the skin would ease and it would flare. The rashes were usually high inside the inner-thighs, sometimes his arm-pits. They shimmered (as though sweaty) but that was the skin weeping and threatening secondary skin infection. I bathed it each time it flared. Each time, the soothing elements of the Calendula Tea were always pretty immediately evident. I kept this up until the skin settled WHILST I investigated and worked on finding out possible contributing causes (in his case, meat protein sources he was sensitive to).

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I re-read all the info relating to thyroid and my girl doesn't seem to have a lot of the things that might point to it being a problem but getting a test done by the person in America suggested is definitely something I will keep in mind. Because of her breed I have always been really careful with her diet and it has never really changed in the almost two years she has lived here but that doesn't mean she hasn't developed an allergy to some element of it or they could've changed a component in the kibble for all I really know.

Thank you for the feedback on your calendula experiences. I just want to keep my mind open to what might be effecting her and what is helping her and at the moment I'm confused. I hate seeing her in discomfort.

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Just a quick update since I last posted. The day after I posted this I was tidying up on our covered back area and saw Tempeh drinking from a large pot plant that is inside a big sealed pot. It gets water trapped in there and all the dogs like to drink from it. It contains a happy plant and a big bromeliad. But with all the dry weather the brom had drooped and fallen over the front of the pot so Tempeh's neck was rubbing on it when she drank. I removed the brom immediately and knew in my gut that was it! By Wed morn we no longer had any itching and by Wed night not even any redness. As of today, Friday her skin is a lovely pale colour again and any scratching is just normal stuff that she might usually do. No wounds or even redness. YAY! I was so worried we were going to have an ongoing battle trying to address it for her.

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Great detectvie work, LG.

Eliminate sources always matters.

How lucky you found out and Tempeh is well on the way to recovery.

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Great detectvie work, LG.

Eliminate sources always matters.

How lucky you found out and Tempeh is well on the way to recovery.

:thumbsup:

I've been trying to find the trigger for about 4 weeks now and her diet had been pulled right back and the yard gone over with a magnifying glass. I was even checking my washing powder and only letting her lie on things washed pre the rash starting to see if that made a difference. We had a vet visit planned to get a referral to an allergist and put her on a special diet. Never would've thought it was that brom until I saw it with my own eyes. Once she scratched the itchy neck covered in brom fibres she has just used her toenails to spread it elsewhere on her body I reckon. And who knows if whether something in the brom reacted badly with something in the calendula? I will of course be giving her the rinses again as I am confident things are back to normal.

It was the only brom in my whole yard because it came with the happy plant. I don't like prickly plants much myself (except for roses). Mum and dad have a yard full of them so I am going to have to watch her like a hawk there and give her an immediate wash down after any visits.

We've been very lucky!

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We are back to square one and a body covered in raw skin now. Her skin has just been flaring and settling in a really random way over the past three weeks. I've been through the yard and nothing. Changed all her linens and even tried to distract from the scratching and chewing in case some of it is habitual. Waiting to see the vet again this arvo. And the saddest part is the calendula rinse and cream (which my vet makes up) exacerbate it. I will still be able to use it on the other dogs but it was such a great option for Tempeh that I'm bummed she is now reacting badly to it. She had such a bad reaction to her rinse last week that she was scratching the top of her head, side of her face and ears - all places that have not been affected by the allergy. Prior to that I'd gone back to Maleseb and she was fine but wanted to check and make sure I wasn't just imagining the calendula reactions. I've used the cream on her since she was a pup and it certainly wasn't always like this.

And I will be talking to my vet about potential thyroid issues as maybe it started out as one thing that was really masking something else? All a bit sad as I hate seeing her so uncomfortable.

Erny - in a previous post you also suggested getting a hair DNA test done. What would be the purpose of that in relation to an allergy? What would it be looking for? I don't really understand how these tests work is all. Thank you!

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Erny   
Erny - in a previous post you also suggested getting a hair DNA test done. What would be the purpose of that in relation to an allergy? What would it be looking for? I don't really understand how these tests work is all. Thank you!

Sorry to hear you having bad luck, and surprised at the reaction to the Calendula Tea!!

But in answer to your question regarding the hair-DNA. It shows things that are out of balance in the dog's system. This could be the liver being a bit sluggish (for example), or kidneys, or whatever something else. When the function of the body organs is out of whack, it makes it harder for the body to use the usual organs (e.g. liver) to cleanse the body from toxins, and so it looks for an alternate and commonly that is via the skin. What we see are the symptoms of those toxins and often becoming secondary skin infections.

When the areas needing help are identified, the relevant supplements are recommended. These help restore balance and hence improved function. The key is to having some sort of guide to indicate what areas of the body require help. And that's where I have found the hair-DNA testing useful and helpful.

Hope that answers, LG.

I will ask, just to cover bases, where did you source the Calendula Tea and are there any additives or is it unadulterated?

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Thanks for the response Erny!

It came from Mudbrick Cottage Herb Farm which is not far from me. I was planning on buying from Steve but we happened to see the farm while driving home from somewhere else, stopped off to buy herb plants for my sister's little garden and I grabbed a bag of the dried while I was there. I think they have been growers for many years and are organic.

I also think it is weird because I was washing her in it before with no problems but even the cream my vet made up specifically for wounds caused a bad reaction and we have been using her creams here since Temp was a puppy. I'm personally very disappointed but we still have two other dogs we will be using it on.

The vet feels it is a contact allergy and actually identified areas of rash on her feet. I'd say she scratches with the feet that have touched what she is allergic too and she spreads it that way to other areas of her body. She is back on antibiotics and cortisone and it has all reduced immediately. I've been working my way around the yard struggling to find what might be causing it, just cutting away anything that droops now (ground covers were already removed). I fear it might just be grass. I can't picture me being able to get her to wear booties whenever she is outside so it does worry me a little.

And I talked to the vet about DNA and thyroid testing and he felt the contact allergy was fairly evident and to pursue that at this point. I will of course keep pursuing the cause because I can't stand to see her so uncomfortable. She's been a totally different dog again since her itchies have eased.

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Steve   

Sometimes they can develop an allergy to something which has been used and if her contact allergy is about plants its entirely possible that the dog has now developed an allergy to more plants including the Calendula

Im in a rush now but will come back with some suggestions.

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Steve   

O.K. L.G. Ill rise to the challenge - send me your address via PM and Ill send you a sample of a formulation to try.

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Steve   

O.K. L.G. Ill rise to the challenge - send me your address via PM and Ill send you a sample of a formulation to try.

O.k. Ive sent you off two samples but they are custom blends based on what you have said about your dog

Ive used all natural ingredients but steered away from flower parts - stuck with roots and bark

instructions on how to use included.

Good luck and let me know how it goes.

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Hi, just a quick question about applying the tea/rinse. I'm really struggling to get enough penetrating our dog's dense labrador coat to reach the skin. To pour it on and properly saturate the dog all over I think I'd need gallons of the stuff :laugh: How many litres does everyone use for a large dog? I made up a couple of litres but a lot runs off the coat and it didn't seem to be enough. I tried back-combing the coat and misting/dribbling it on but it was pretty patchy. I also found it hard to fully saturate the feet, belly and throat. Any advice for densely coated dogs? Sorry if it's been covered, there's a lot of pages to read through!

On the plus side, I added some organic chamomile flowers to the calendula and it's given my yellow lab a nice fragrance and lovely shiny golden highlights lol.

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SarasMum   

Try using an old sauce bottle to get into the feet, this might also help to push into the coat a bit.

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