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Does the super boost powder build up their immune system? Cause after reading Dr Symes attachment , you can destroy their good gut flora with too much worming and and that leaves them open to allergies and where do I get calandular flowers and what strength do I use

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The wandering jew is a real nasty - must avoid this. Booties can help to prevent contact with allergens, as can washing his feet any time he has been outside. You may find the least toxic approach to this may be using cortavance spray on his feet any time they get red and he is licking at them. Many people think that diet changes are only for food allergies, but a change to raw food does much more than just avoiding a food allergen - it can change the way the immune system functions, and it will assist in ALL types of allergies - atopic, contact, food and FAD.

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Bruce I have Ralph on Natural Animal solutions High Potency VC 1tspn /day ,entraLIVE LoAlaG 1/2 tspn 3/day ,Natural Animal Solutions Omega oil 3,6,9 for dogs 3tblspns daily and 1/2 tab Oxygenics morn and night I mix the powders in a bit of cottage cheese and yoghurt, I like the sound of your skin and coat formula especially the colostrum , I was recommended to get the V all N for adult/senior and just use what is says for puppies and add the supplements , but I stopped the mix (vets advice) and started giving him raw veges juiced, now Ralph just went outside now and has come back in and is licking his feet hadn't licked them all night !! I also add sardines sometimes to the cottage cheese, I rang the breeder yesterday and she has never had a problem with allergies and has been breeding 35yrs, I also put advocate on him 1 mth ago and am due to put it on again today it kills everything including mange and mites but worms as well , I don't want to kill the worms so much as that could have been a problem to begin with , the vet couldn't find any mites with the skin scraping but suggested I treat him incase anyway , when he was a puppy , my daughter first had him from 8 weeks and took him to their local vet and they gave him a worm tab called milbemax at 8,12,14 and 16 weeks and then said monthly with Sentinal , I gave worm tabs monthly instead , he was also doubled dosed , the breeder gave him a worm tab at 8 weeks and the new vet also gave him one when my daughter got him , I have also started him on phernergan 25mg ,should I continue with that ? Also getting Kangaroo meat here is hard I can only get the human grade at $9 a kilo and according to the V ALL N he is to have 850 grms day, my vet is checking , someone comes down from Sydney with Kangaroo meat , might be cheaper, you see I have 5 dogs , can I try turkey ? He lived on chicken and black hawk biscuits before, so what to do ? I will look into getting some Cortavance spray, I can't keep him locked up my hubby goes up the paddock feeding cattle and he runs with the whippet I've just let him out to go , it seems to be the wet grass that's making him itch this morning , I will wash his legs when he gets back , so do I advocate him today ?give him phernergan? Thanks. Diane

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Diane I really think you need to talk to your vet about this.

What I'm hearing is a dog being assaulted by all kinds of chemicals when you actually don't know what the allergen is.

So you're giving him things that, in combination, may be compromising his immune system and continually washing his feet, removing the natural oils that provide some protection against contact allergies.

Chances are, by taking a shotgun approach to the issue, you could be making it worse.

I suggest you try one approach at a time under your vet's guidance. Otherwise, if something DOES work, how will you know what that thing is??

Option B is ring a holistic vet for a phone diagnosis and follow their advice as to how to tackle the problem from a broader perspective.

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get rid of the wandering dew!!! ALL of it! or fence off the area so dog cannot near it .... that could well be the cause -

I wondered the same.... especially as the first sign of allergy was his paws. Seems like contact with something was a trigger. Like maybe the wandering jew.

Just for your consideration, a vet once recommended doses of polaramine, the anti-histamine. Worked well with our shelite that had a skin allergy. He also started chewing his paws.

Plain chicken & rice & vegetables.... especially plenty of cooked sweet potato ... seemed best for our sheltie. With some salt-free sardines.

Polaramine was mentioned, re dosage & use on a DOL thread way back. I've kept a link to that thread:

http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/94741-polaramine-dosage-rate/

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Worked with a number of dogs with Atopy.

I can confidently say a Raw diet and holistic natural life has not changed their Atopy in the cases I worked with using a number of different products including VAN.

If your dog has serious allergery issues get a referral to a dermatologist > the folk that are trained to deal with skin issues....not just folk who have opinions.

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Worked with a number of dogs with Atopy.

I can confidently say a Raw diet and holistic natural life has not changed their Atopy in the cases I worked with using a number of different products including VAN.

If your dog has serious allergery issues get a referral to a dermatologist > the folk that are trained to deal with skin issues....not just folk who have opinions.

I'd like to think I can offer a trained opinion, and I have successfully treated hundreds of atopic dogs using raw diet and other supplements. Unfortunately, my experience with sending patients to the specialist dermatolgists is that they come back on cortisone more often than not. I do totally agree that you need one on one, hands on, advice !!

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Bruce I have Ralph on Natural Animal solutions High Potency VC 1tspn /day ,entraLIVE LoAlaG 1/2 tspn 3/day ,Natural Animal Solutions Omega oil 3,6,9 for dogs 3tblspns daily and 1/2 tab Oxygenics morn and night I mix the powders in a bit of cottage cheese and yoghurt, I like the sound of your skin and coat formula especially the colostrum , I was recommended to get the V all N for adult/senior and just use what is says for puppies and add the supplements , but I stopped the mix (vets advice) and started giving him raw veges juiced, now Ralph just went outside now and has come back in and is licking his feet hadn't licked them all night !! I also add sardines sometimes to the cottage cheese, I rang the breeder yesterday and she has never had a problem with allergies and has been breeding 35yrs, I also put advocate on him 1 mth ago and am due to put it on again today it kills everything including mange and mites but worms as well , I don't want to kill the worms so much as that could have been a problem to begin with , the vet couldn't find any mites with the skin scraping but suggested I treat him incase anyway , when he was a puppy , my daughter first had him from 8 weeks and took him to their local vet and they gave him a worm tab called milbemax at 8,12,14 and 16 weeks and then said monthly with Sentinal , I gave worm tabs monthly instead , he was also doubled dosed , the breeder gave him a worm tab at 8 weeks and the new vet also gave him one when my daughter got him , I have also started him on phernergan 25mg ,should I continue with that ? Also getting Kangaroo meat here is hard I can only get the human grade at $9 a kilo and according to the V ALL N he is to have 850 grms day, my vet is checking , someone comes down from Sydney with Kangaroo meat , might be cheaper, you see I have 5 dogs , can I try turkey ? He lived on chicken and black hawk biscuits before, so what to do ? I will look into getting some Cortavance spray, I can't keep him locked up my hubby goes up the paddock feeding cattle and he runs with the whippet I've just let him out to go , it seems to be the wet grass that's making him itch this morning , I will wash his legs when he gets back , so do I advocate him today ?give him phernergan? Thanks. Diane

Hi Dianne, it really is a complex situation, and I do think you may need to scale back so many supplements, as it could be confusing his system. try and source some raw green tripe as a meat source, and combine with steamed mashed sweet potatoe, as a basic elimination diet. I'd encourage a consultation with a holistic vet to discuss a treatment plan. personally, I'd hold off any more Advocate for now, unless you truly have a flea issue, and then just use Advanatge, or try the new Activyl product.

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I posted on your other thread but also a suggestion to stop the tea tree oil shampoo! As someone with allergies myself its super irritating. You need a very gentle shampoo and make sure to dilute it heavily. I like epi soothe or aloveen but I have also heard of some dogs who are allergic to oatmeal.

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I don't have much to add, other than to say KISS. Too many treatments at once and you'll never figure out what is working. Also, remember, histamic reactions are at least as often an out-of-balance, over-reactive, immune system as they are a weak immune system. It's hard to achieve balance when you're juggling several meds/supplements.

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Worked with a number of dogs with Atopy.

I can confidently say a Raw diet and holistic natural life has not changed their Atopy in the cases I worked with using a number of different products including VAN.

If your dog has serious allergery issues get a referral to a dermatologist > the folk that are trained to deal with skin issues....not just folk who have opinions.

I'd like to think I can offer a trained opinion, and I have successfully treated hundreds of atopic dogs using raw diet and other supplements. Unfortunately, my experience with sending patients to the specialist dermatolgists is that they come back on cortisone more often than not. I do totally agree that you need one on one, hands on, advice !!

Didn't know you were a Dermatologist?

I've used your product with my own dog and rescues...they didn't get better, in fact some got worse.

I find your comment interesting though because most Dermatologists that have seen dogs I know of have suggested elimination diets and testing...not cortisone. Although cortisone = quality of life alot of the time.

Sounds like your opinion is based on commercial profit of your product more than anything else like a Vet pointing at the brand of dog food they have in their clinic? Could be wrong there of course!

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Worked with a number of dogs with Atopy.

I can confidently say a Raw diet and holistic natural life has not changed their Atopy in the cases I worked with using a number of different products including VAN.

If your dog has serious allergery issues get a referral to a dermatologist > the folk that are trained to deal with skin issues....not just folk who have opinions.

I'd like to think I can offer a trained opinion, and I have successfully treated hundreds of atopic dogs using raw diet and other supplements. Unfortunately, my experience with sending patients to the specialist dermatolgists is that they come back on cortisone more often than not. I do totally agree that you need one on one, hands on, advice !!

Didn't know you were a Dermatologist?

I've used your product with my own dog and rescues...they didn't get better, in fact some got worse.

I find your comment interesting though because most Dermatologists that have seen dogs I know of have suggested elimination diets and testing...not cortisone. Although cortisone = quality of life alot of the time.

Sounds like your opinion is based on commercial profit of your product more than anything else like a Vet pointing at the brand of dog food they have in their clinic? Could be wrong there of course!

Ouch - I'm just a hard working vet who has spent 22 yrs working on dogs and cats with allergies, seeking non-pharmaceutical treatments - my opinion is based on thousands of cases of success, nothing to do with profit. Cortisone may = quality of life in the very short term, but long term, it is a VERY ugly drug. Very often I advise many products and regimes that have nothing to do with my product range.I offer a stack of free advice to pet owners, and you may note, I talk about raw diets, NOT about vets all natural products.I dont claim that my products are a cure-all in any way, but they are vastly superior to any kibble I have ever come across. If I was interested in commercial profit, I would not be spending my time advocating raw food - it is bloody hard work !!

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You have asked for advice and recieved what I consider to be very good advice from multiple people. If you aren't prepared to act on the advice given then what was the point in asking for it?:

The dog has at the very least some contact allergies and you are either unwilling or unable to restrict its movements to stop it from accessing areas where clearly the allergens are. It may also have any number of other allergic or systemic issues. This thread has been consistent from the start regarding removal of the wandering dew but I don't see anywhere showing you have made an effort to do so. It may help. It may not. The dog may have grass allergies which will mean you will need to restrict all access to grass and make sure all family members are on the same page. By allowing the dog to have access to areas where you know there is some sort of allergen that is causing a reaction to its feet, you are not stepping up as an owner and giving this dog a chance to recover.

Erny has a dog that is a high allergy dog and yet with careful and considered treatments she has been able to eliminate or eradicate triggers so the dog has some quality of life.

By not approaching the treatment of this dog in a methodical manner you are exacerbating its suffering. If you can't or won't do this then either rehome the dog to someone who will or give it its wings. What you are doing is tantamount to cruelty imo.

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Bruce I have Ralph on Natural Animal solutions High Potency VC 1tspn /day ,entraLIVE LoAlaG 1/2 tspn 3/day ,Natural Animal Solutions Omega oil 3,6,9 for dogs 3tblspns daily and 1/2 tab Oxygenics morn and night I mix the powders in a bit of cottage cheese and yoghurt, I like the sound of your skin and coat formula especially the colostrum , I was recommended to get the V all N for adult/senior and just use what is says for puppies and add the supplements , but I stopped the mix (vets advice) and started giving him raw veges juiced, now Ralph just went outside now and has come back in and is licking his feet hadn't licked them all night !! I also add sardines sometimes to the cottage cheese, I rang the breeder yesterday and she has never had a problem with allergies and has been breeding 35yrs, I also put advocate on him 1 mth ago and am due to put it on again today it kills everything including mange and mites but worms as well , I don't want to kill the worms so much as that could have been a problem to begin with , the vet couldn't find any mites with the skin scraping but suggested I treat him incase anyway , when he was a puppy , my daughter first had him from 8 weeks and took him to their local vet and they gave him a worm tab called milbemax at 8,12,14 and 16 weeks and then said monthly with Sentinal , I gave worm tabs monthly instead , he was also doubled dosed , the breeder gave him a worm tab at 8 weeks and the new vet also gave him one when my daughter got him , I have also started him on phernergan 25mg ,should I continue with that ? Also getting Kangaroo meat here is hard I can only get the human grade at $9 a kilo and according to the V ALL N he is to have 850 grms day, my vet is checking , someone comes down from Sydney with Kangaroo meat , might be cheaper, you see I have 5 dogs , can I try turkey ? He lived on chicken and black hawk biscuits before, so what to do ? I will look into getting some Cortavance spray, I can't keep him locked up my hubby goes up the paddock feeding cattle and he runs with the whippet I've just let him out to go , it seems to be the wet grass that's making him itch this morning , I will wash his legs when he gets back , so do I advocate him today ?give him phernergan? Thanks. Diane

Hi Dianne, it really is a complex situation, and I do think you may need to scale back so many supplements, as it could be confusing his system. try and source some raw green tripe as a meat source, and combine with steamed mashed sweet potatoe, as a basic elimination diet. I'd encourage a consultation with a holistic vet to discuss a treatment plan. personally, I'd hold off any more Advocate for now, unless you truly have a flea issue, and then just use Advanatge, or try the new Activyl product.

Your dog is on so many different things ..and yet still has free access to the grass which seems to exacerbate the issue :( You did say he was improved when kept indoors, right? he loves to run free, I know ..however , a couple of weeks in a pen with no grass would really point you in the right direction, I think. he will not enjoy it - there are lots of people & animals who need to change a lifestyle during a diagnosis ..and maybe also as a management tool.

is there nowhere you can leash walk this dog on plain soil/asphalt/concrete?

!! speaking of concrete /yards ..is there a disinfectant used on the cattle/pens/shed ??? That could well be something else to consider.

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You have asked for advice and recieved what I consider to be very good advice from multiple people. If you aren't prepared to act on the advice given then what was the point in asking for it?:

The dog has at the very least some contact allergies and you are either unwilling or unable to restrict its movements to stop it from accessing areas where clearly the allergens are. It may also have any number of other allergic or systemic issues. This thread has been consistent from the start regarding removal of the wandering dew but I don't see anywhere showing you have made an effort to do so. It may help. It may not. The dog may have grass allergies which will mean you will need to restrict all access to grass and make sure all family members are on the same page. By allowing the dog to have access to areas where you know there is some sort of allergen that is causing a reaction to its feet, you are not stepping up as an owner and giving this dog a chance to recover.

Erny has a dog that is a high allergy dog and yet with careful and considered treatments she has been able to eliminate or eradicate triggers so the dog has some quality of life.

By not approaching the treatment of this dog in a methodical manner you are exacerbating its suffering. If you can't or won't do this then either rehome the dog to someone who will or give it its wings. What you are doing is tantamount to cruelty imo.

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I have acted on the advice , I have removed wandering jew , but there is none in the front yard that is fully fenced and that is where he has been kept and not going up to the stables, I have rang a dermatologist and asked what would be involved in the consult and Sydney being 5 hrs away , I spoke to my local vet and the blood tests can be done here, and sent away, I have had him the last 2 days inside and before going out for walks ,I have been wrapping his feet in plastic and putting on non skip slippers over the top and he has had 3 good long walks today and in the rain, I am not giving him any additives only kangaroo and cooked sweet potato , I am spraying calandular tea on his legs and he is very content at the moment, I am only wanting the best for this dog ,I am under the guidance of my vet and following what he says, he does not believe blood tests are that accurate, I am trying to avoid the use of steroids and it is looking like a contact allergy so far, in the front yard we only have kikuyu and shrubs ,so it maybe the kikuyu,I spoke yesterday to a local nursery about getting rid of the grass and putting gravel down ,I think I am doing enough and I am sure Ralph would have had a dose of antibiotics by now if I hadn't been so persistent and obsessed with the prevention of his condition worsening, I have been to 2 different vets,one that dosed him up to the eye balls with cortisone and now a holistic vet , and if the vet at home can't sort him out ,then yes , we will make the trip to Sydney , and I appreciate the advice and that is the beauty of these forums ,to get a variety of opinions and knowledge from people that have been through this before and act on what I consider good advice.

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Sounds as if you are working hard - but I suggest NOT wrapping feet in plastic except when he is walking :( raw skin , esp if is seeping, plus sweat from pads .. is a perfect breeding ground for nasties .the extra heat produced on teh sore skin may hinder healing, as well, sadly.

Good to see that he is on a limited steady diet as well :)

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Sounds as if you are working hard - but I suggest NOT wrapping feet in plastic except when he is walking :( raw skin , esp if is seeping, plus sweat from pads .. is a perfect breeding ground for nasties .the extra heat produced on teh sore skin may hinder healing, as well, sadly.

Good to see that he is on a limited steady diet as well :)

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I am not giving him any additives only kangaroo and cooked sweet potato , I am spraying calandular tea in his legs and he is very content, I am only wanting the best for this dog ,I am under the guidance of my vet and following what he says, he does not believe blood tests are that accurate

So much going on & so many things tried that will not give you a clue. You have been all over the place. Thing is your dog may be allergic to kangaroo or even sweet potato. Maybe even Calendula. I was allergic to Aloe Vera & it was advised for my skin complaint.

You or even the vet have no idea.

The blood tests do not always show an allergy but its a starting point & they may show something so its best to have them done & you may get some clue. You may not but try it.

Stick to one food for a few days it won't harm him. Maybe beef & beef bones.

Stop all chemicals including flea stuff. No chemicals around the floors either. Hot water with a little white vinegar in on hard surfaces & no carpet fresheners etc on carpets, only vacuum daily.

Any commercial dry food is no help as it has all sorts in & you would never know what exact ingredient was the culprit if aggravating.

Keep a diary & note reactions & introduce new things one at a time.

Don't put anything on his feet at all. Its a slow methodical process of elimination if you have the patience. There is no quick fix to these type of things. Good luck.

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I edited my reply as I only put plastic on his feet to go outside for a walk , the shoes he has only really cover a short way past his foot and we have had non stop rain and the grass is way higher than that on the side of the road when we go for a walk , I try to stick to the gravel road but he likes to pee on the grass , he was so loving his walk today , it was raining lightly and he would do this whole body shake , starting at his head , moving down his body and finally his whippy tail, he is really content tonight laying stretched out on a leather lounge next to the cat, he normally chases the cat , wish I could put photos on here, he's just gorgeous ,also I have 5 dogs,one is 16, so I do know how to look after dogs, Ralph is my first with allergies, and I was upset with a post earlier accusing me almost of abuse of him and suggesting I give him to someone else for him to spread his wings , :-(

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