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Snook   

I think the price at JB HiFi is good but it's just a standard kit lens, although when looking at the price for just the body the lens only works out to about $150. You could also get just the body and a much nice 50mm 1.8 lens for the same price or even less (you can sometimes get the 50mm for around $100). You would have the ability to zoom out to fit more in to the frame though but that's not necessarily a bad thing. You could then add a 70-200mm lens later on for your dog sports photography and add a tekeconverter to extend the focal length for wildlife photos.

What are your thoughts on those options?

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I'd still get mine from here...

http://www.digitalca...egory1380_1.htm

As you can see, their prices are a bit better than JB HiFi... the savings JB are telling you aren't all that much really...

I'd get the camera and the Tamron 18-270mm lens set myself...

T.

I have read this lens isn't very good when using during video though? However, I like it's focal range...

I think the price at JB HiFi is good but it's just a standard kit lens, although when looking at the price for just the body the lens only works out to about $150. You could also get just the body and a much nice 50mm 1.8 lens for the same price or even less (you can sometimes get the 50mm for around $100). You would have the ability to zoom out to fit more in to the frame though but that's not necessarily a bad thing. You could then add a 70-200mm lens later on for your dog sports photography and add a tekeconverter to extend the focal length for wildlife photos.

What are your thoughts on those options?

I read that of the kit lenses the 18-135 is better than the 18-55 from Canon... I agree a good prime lens like a 40 or 50 would be good to have. The 70-200 seems very popular and I had a look on Flickr of photos taken with the Canon 70D and this lens and they look great. I think this range would suit me really well... or maybe something up to 300.

I don't want to overlap in lens focal length if i can avoid it.

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Snook   

Unless you go for the 24-70mm and 70-200mm you're likely to end up with overlapping focal lengths. It's worth considering that the lenses you're looking at will be of differing quality (except 24-70 & 70-200 combo - in most brands they're as good as each other). If you went with the 18-135 as your general purpose lens you'd cover the focal range you'd need in most every day situations however, the widest aperture you can use at the 135mm end is 5.6. While that's fine in good lighting and when you don't need a really fast shutter speed, it's not going to fit your needs for dog sports or wildlife photography. That's where something like the 70-200mm would come in to play and the image quality will be significantly better than the 18-135mm too but in my opinion at least, it's too big and heavy to use as a general walk around lens and that's where the 18-135mm would serve you better. It's smaller, lighter and would cover most situations. I hope that helps explain why the overlapping focal lengths aren't really an issue when you're looking at these lenses?

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I used a 40d for a while that had a 28-80 and a 70 - 300 lens and it was a pain constantly switching lenses invariably which ever lens I had with me was either to long or too short and the amount of times the 70 was too long for what I was trying to do was ridiculous. Remember to multiply the lens length by 1.6 as it's a cropped sensor camera and you will see why. Which is why I went to the 18 to 250 and then the 18 to 300 for my everyday walking around lens. Yes it's not perfect everywhere but every photo I have posted in the last year has been taken with 1 of them and most have been fast action shots in sport mode. It's not ideal on dark days but it's a good compromise. Especially with access to light room. I am starting to feel the need for a prime now and will be attending to that fairly soon. The eagle shots I posted this week in the 52 weeks of 2015 thread were taken at 300mm in sports mode on a dreary overcast day and I have zoomed into them a fair bit. So that should give you an idea of how they perform

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Dave-o   

Not sure if you've bought anything yet, but I can give you advice that differs from everyone else :laugh:

Firstly, as a newbie photographer I really think you're overthinking. You can fork out thousands on a 7D but it's pointless if you don't know how to use the camera and/or you don't want to print out whopping great poster size prints.

I had a Canon 450D for many years and it did everything I needed. Even now it pretty much does everything I need to take quality photos.

You could buy a 750D cheaply second hand, learn some basics, and go from there. As said, lenses are much more important and worth investing in, especially if you can upgrade to a different camera body a few years down the track.

Buying (and learning) a photo-editing application like Lightroom will allow you to make a professional looking photograph irrespective of Canon, Nikon, or anything else. I've taken photos that look awful, then made them look amazing in Lightroom. Loads of videos on Youtube will get you up and running in no time.

For price comparisons check http://www.cameracompare.com.au

Perhaps a 700D with an 18-55mm lens PLUS a 55-250mm lens for whale watching from Camera House - http://www.cameracompare.com.au/Product/canon-eos-700d-w18-55mm-55-250mm-is-stm-lenses-digital-slr-camera-canon/camerahouse/700DMTK/

That is pretty much on your budget and you'd get plenty out of it in years to come.

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Snook   

Some good suggestions there, Dave-O. However, having owned both of the kit lenses you suggested I know from experience that they will not be fast enough for photographing dog sports, either in terms of the focusing motor or the aperture.

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Not sure if you've bought anything yet, but I can give you advice that differs from everyone else :laugh:

Firstly, as a newbie photographer I really think you're overthinking. You can fork out thousands on a 7D but it's pointless if you don't know how to use the camera and/or you don't want to print out whopping great poster size prints.

I had a Canon 450D for many years and it did everything I needed. Even now it pretty much does everything I need to take quality photos.

You could buy a 750D cheaply second hand, learn some basics, and go from there. As said, lenses are much more important and worth investing in, especially if you can upgrade to a different camera body a few years down the track.

Buying (and learning) a photo-editing application like Lightroom will allow you to make a professional looking photograph irrespective of Canon, Nikon, or anything else. I've taken photos that look awful, then made them look amazing in Lightroom. Loads of videos on Youtube will get you up and running in no time.

For price comparisons check http://www.cameracompare.com.au

Perhaps a 700D with an 18-55mm lens PLUS a 55-250mm lens for whale watching from Camera House - http://www.cameracom...ahouse/700DMTK/

That is pretty much on your budget and you'd get plenty out of it in years to come.

Some good suggestions there, Dave-O. However, having owned both of the kit lenses you suggested I know from experience that they will not be fast enough for photographing dog sports, either in terms of the focusing motor or the aperture.

Thank you for your comments. Dave-O the reason I am looking at the enthusiast line of camera's is as Snook mentioned, I will be shooting a lot of action shots, in particular dog agility so having the body with fast AF & adequate fps is important to me. I will also use the camera for video - filming agility, so again the Canon 70D is a stand out choice for that. I would like to print some photos to large canvas too smile.gif

I am happy with my choice in the Canon 70D and think it will be the right choice for me. Yes I was probably overthinking it at the beginning, but I was quite overwhelmed by all the camera options available and I wanted to make a good decision because of the prices.

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Not yet Snook. Unfortunately I missed the JBHI sale. Just had my birthday and have been given some $ toward my camera so that's great thumbsup1.gif I'm wanting to buy asap, so am just looking out for a good deal or bundle that suits.

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BDJ   

Hi guys,

I hope you don't mind me jumping in with a question (don't mean to hijack the thread, it is a similar question).

I have a DSLR Nikon D3100, but I don't use it much - combination of it being quite big to carry around (so it lives in a cupboard), and I don't know how to use it so get disheartened quickly - some photos work, some dont and I could not work out why.

So - I am taking an 8 week course (I learn best with face to face with a new subject, give me a book and/or You Tube without any F2F and I have no idea) - first thing sorted.

This thread also told me about mirrorless cameras - so I checked them out and find them much smaller (other problem solved, it can live in my handbag).

Anyway, yesterday I put a deposit/laybuy on a Olympus OMD EM5 MKII with a 14-150mm lens.

Would love to know peoples thoughts on whether that is a good camera.

I completely know that the output is due to the skill of the operator, not the camera. But I have a long holiday coming up that I want to use it for - so I want a camera that can take a good photo, is easy to use, and that can grow with me if/when I work it out :-)

thanks

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Snook   

When I was deciding which mirror less camera to buy I looked in to the micro four thirds cameras and had I gone with that option, Olympus would have been my choice. The Mark II has come out since I bought my camera so I just had a look at a couple of reviews and it sounds like it's pretty good. My personal preference is to stick with an APS-C sensor size but lots of people love their micro four thirds cameras and this one in particular seems to be on par performance wise with some of the entry level to mid range DSLRs, which is great. The lens you've chosen seems to be decent all rounder of a kit lens but in terms of quality, once you really get to learn how to use your camera you are likely going to want to upgrade to something that has better image quality and a wider aperture.

Doing a course to learn how to use your camera is a great idea. I did an 8 week course one night a week through WEA when I got my first camera and it was invaluable and so much easier than reading a book!

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BDJ   

Thanks Snook, glad to know I am on the right track.

The course I am doing is through the WEA - only 1 week in but it is great so far

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Hi everyone,

About to purchase my camera in the next week or so (finally I know!) and very happy to say Canon have $150 cash back on the 70D right now thumbsup1.gif. The body only from www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au is a bargain at $980 but Teds have what I think is a good lens combo for $1500 after cash back... what do you think of this lens combo with the 70D? http://www.teds.com.au/canon-eos-70d-18-55mm-is-stm-55-250mm-is-stm

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Hi everyone,

About to purchase my camera in the next week or so (finally I know!) and very happy to say Canon have $150 cash back on the 70D right now thumbsup1.gif. The body only from www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au is a bargain at $980 but Teds have what I think is a good lens combo for $1500 after cash back... what do you think of this lens combo with the 70D? http://www.teds.com....55-250mm-is-stm

They are both cheap lenses but will get you into the game and take pretty good photos and when you reach their limitations you can upgrade the lense

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Snook   

Hi everyone,

About to purchase my camera in the next week or so (finally I know!) and very happy to say Canon have $150 cash back on the 70D right now thumbsup1.gif. The body only from www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au is a bargain at $980 but Teds have what I think is a good lens combo for $1500 after cash back... what do you think of this lens combo with the 70D? http://www.teds.com.au/canon-eos-70d-18-55mm-is-stm-55-250mm-is-stm

I'm so sorry to burst your bubble but those lenses won't be fast enough for dog sports. They're the standard kit lenses I got with my Canon and although they're fine as beginner kit lenses, the aperture isn't wide enough to allow you to keep shooting on really overcast days or when the light is starting to fade even a little bit and the focusing motor is really slow. I know this because it was my pet hate with them and drive me nuts just trying to shoot my own dog and I really, honestly think you'd be much better off putting that $500 toward a lens that will meet your needs.

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Snook you have been bashing on about these lenses being to slow for dog sports when almost every photo I post proves you wrong. Yes they are not the best tool for the job but they take perfectly adequate photos without costing thousands of dollars. I suggest you look at the photos I have posted in the 52 weeks of 2015 thread and the Chronicles of Jonah. Many are of moving dogs and birds and more than a few in overcast conditions.

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