Aziah Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yep, stupid choice I made. If I win tatslotto tomorrow I will just pay the woman the 30K she stands to make on her, and spay my girl. I don't care for the attitude, you clearly have no idea what goes into not only raising a litter but all the things that make it possible to get a litter safely on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjelkier Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yep, stupid choice I made. If I win tatslotto tomorrow I will just pay the woman the 30K she stands to make on her, and spay my girl. How is she going to make 30k on the litter? What is her secret? Is she selling Tibetan Mastiffs to the Chinese at $10,000 a puppy?? I'm curious about that as well. 30K on one litter? I don't think so..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaznHotAussies Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 10 puppies for $3k each? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yep, stupid choice I made. If I win tatslotto tomorrow I will just pay the woman the 30K she stands to make on her, and spay my girl. How is she going to make 30k on the litter? What is her secret? Is she selling Tibetan Mastiffs to the Chinese at $10,000 a puppy?? I'm curious about that as well. 30K on one litter? I don't think so..... I imagine that Panlu has simply multiplied the purchase price ($3K) by the expected number of puppies for the breed (10). Unfortunately Mother Nature ain't quite so kind. A caesarian for 2 puppies costs nearly as much as for a large litter so it's quite possible the breeder has sunk quite a bit of money into the breeding program already. If it's a rare breed I'd be thinking of importing semen costs....$10K is not unheard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yep, stupid choice I made. If I win tatslotto tomorrow I will just pay the woman the 30K she stands to make on her, and spay my girl. I imagine that what actually happened is that the puppy is a quality puppy and the breeder wants a puppy from her for themselves. The breeder could just have said no puppy for you as I am keeping her. You agreed to the the terms so stop whinging. The breeder can put whatever terms they want on a puppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panlu Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yes, I agreed, and I am saying that I regret my decision. I don't care if anyone 'doesn't like the attitude'. I will be endangering my dog's health, and depriving my family of its company for a month. It has been suggested to me that I should just pretend she's never come in to season, or to get her spayed without tatooing, but I am grudgingly electing to fulfill the obligation I signed for. I do not have to be happy about it however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Having just raised a litter, I can't believe anyone thinks its OK to take a bitch away from the puppies at 4 weeks of age?? They are still little babies at that age, they need their mother to feed them and teach them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Having just raised a litter, I can't believe anyone thinks its OK to take a bitch away from the puppies at 4 weeks of age?? They are still little babies at that age, they need their mother to feed them and teach them. The 3 litters I have had all the pups haave been weaned by 4 weeks by their Mum. Of course Mum is still around as are other adult dogs to help teach them doggy stuff. Not all bitches want to feed/play/teach their pups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Having just raised a litter, I can't believe anyone thinks its OK to take a bitch away from the puppies at 4 weeks of age?? They are still little babies at that age, they need their mother to feed them and teach them. I don't think anyone has said its ok to take mum away when pups are 4 weeks old I interpreted the terms to mean that pups must have started weaning at 4 weeks old, not be independent. If the owner is new to breeding it may have been put in the conditions in case they didn't know how much of a strain it can be on the mum if weaning isn't started by then, especially with a large litter. Even my tiny toy poodle pups will have a little food at about day 21 & my current litter of 6 siamese kittens were all eager to get stuck into food at day 28 but that doesn't mean mums aren't with them. They are, pups for about 10 weeks & kittens for about 12 weeks, which I think is about the normal time or close. Weaning doesn't mean mums have to be taken away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Panlu said the bitch is being returned to her when the puppies are 4 weeks old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Panlu said the bitch is being returned to her when the puppies are 4 weeks old Sorry. Oh no. I didn't see that. Totally insane to agree to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panlu Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Yes, that is correct. She is to stay at the breeders for exactly 4 weeks, beginning from 3 days prior to the caesar date. When our girl was born it was the same. The only opportunity to meet the mum was when the pups were 3wks old, by 4wks she was gone. Edited November 9, 2015 by Panlu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaznHotAussies Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) silly me Edited November 10, 2015 by Scootaloo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panlu Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Identifying post edited Edited November 9, 2015 by Panlu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Whats happening here is that you have gotten into a place where you are not happy with how things are and you are thinking through everything that might support your feelings. Just as we do when a marriage breaks up - you drag up things that you didnt think much of or gave the benefit of the doubt about to justify the feelings and circumstances. I would imagine that the breeder has offered for you to stay to allow you to go through the experience and care for the bitch because she understands you love her and are concerned about her .Believe me the breeder isn't offering for you to stay to "help" her because having the owner under her feet while she is doing what needs to be done is harder for her than being able to be left to get the job done. All of the things that go into having relative strangers camping in a tent using her facilities, being sociable to and probably feeding is an extra burden on the breeder . You have decided to see this as a negative to back up how you are feeling - at this point unless you stop and take a step back doesn't no matter what the breeder says or does you will see that as evidence she is horrible. You think its a slack breeder trying to get out of work so she will let you camp there for free labour as well as everything else you see she gets from the deal and I see it that she is being considerate to your feelings and has offered to allow you to stay if you want to. Did you really agree to buy the pup without being told what the price was before the invoice was issued. Not many breeders would keep the price secret until after the agreement was made to sell the pup to you and only tell you how much it was via invoice. More likely You knew it was a mistake at the time and what the breeder had told you the cost of the pup was prior to issue of the invoice. It didnt bother you at the time and you agreed to pay - and did pay the higher price so its another one of those things that you can say you were cheated on to back up how you feel about the situation now. The breeder gets to make decisions on when to take puppies off mum based on numerous things including breed characteristics and what other dogs she may have there which can socialise with the puppies etc. You were also well aware of his when you made the agreement as you have said the pup's mum was treated the same and you didn't see anything wrong with a pup being taken from its Mum at 4 weeks -if you thought it was detrimental to the pup again you wouldn't have bought it. The breeder has given you a pup which she wanted to breed with and entrusted its care and welfare to you so that when the time comes to have puppies the bitch is well cared for and in good condition. You determined that you wanted the pup and were prepared to accept the conditions that the breeder placed because at the time you were happy to comply with . She took more risk placing the pup with you than she would have if she had kept the dog on her property in control of all the variables that will impact on her when she whelps and not to have to worry about you being horrible when the time came for you to pay up. You can either keep finding things to be ticked off about and justify why the breeder sucks or give her the benefit of the doubt,assume she is trying to do the right thing by the dog, you and the breed and enjoy the whole thing and see it as something that is awesome for you and your girl to experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemmy Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Great post Steve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panlu Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) I am describing the situation not to seek support for my feelings, I don't need the support of strangers online. Edited November 9, 2015 by Panlu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roova Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I wouldn't have one of my dogs if it wasn't for breeders terms, so I will be forever grateful to the breeder for entrusting me with her. The terms weren't like yours though and the breeder is not only supportive but a great embassador for the breed. Not saying your breeder isn't, but you can't judge breeders terms as a scam when they aren't all the same. Unless your breeder was the only one in Australia you would have had other choices surely? Puppies flying interstate are pretty common now and open up a lot more choice. You have to go in to any purchase with your eyes open or you really have no one to blame but yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florise Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I am describing the situation not to seek support for my feelings, I don't need the support of strangers online. The whole breeders terms thing is a scam that I will put up with once, to fulfill my contractual obligation, nothing more. I don't understand why you would be expected to pay full price if she is on breeders terms. Be thankful it is only one litter and I hope it all goes smoothly for her. As for the tent offer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Whats happening here is that you have gotten into a place where you are not happy with how things are and you are thinking through everything that might support your feelings. Just as we do when a marriage breaks up - you drag up things that you didnt think much of or gave the benefit of the doubt about to justify the feelings and circumstances. I would imagine that the breeder has offered for you to stay to allow you to go through the experience and care for the bitch because she understands you love her and are concerned about her .Believe me the breeder isn't offering for you to stay to "help" her because having the owner under her feet while she is doing what needs to be done is harder for her than being able to be left to get the job done. All of the things that go into having relative strangers camping in a tent using her facilities, being sociable to and probably feeding is an extra burden on the breeder . You have decided to see this as a negative to back up how you are feeling - at this point unless you stop and take a step back doesn't no matter what the breeder says or does you will see that as evidence she is horrible. You think its a slack breeder trying to get out of work so she will let you camp there for free labour as well as everything else you see she gets from the deal and I see it that she is being considerate to your feelings and has offered to allow you to stay if you want to. Did you really agree to buy the pup without being told what the price was before the invoice was issued. Not many breeders would keep the price secret until after the agreement was made to sell the pup to you and only tell you how much it was via invoice. More likely You knew it was a mistake at the time and what the breeder had told you the cost of the pup was prior to issue of the invoice. It didnt bother you at the time and you agreed to pay - and did pay the higher price so its another one of those things that you can say you were cheated on to back up how you feel about the situation now. The breeder gets to make decisions on when to take puppies off mum based on numerous things including breed characteristics and what other dogs she may have there which can socialise with the puppies etc. You were also well aware of his when you made the agreement as you have said the pup's mum was treated the same and you didn't see anything wrong with a pup being taken from its Mum at 4 weeks -if you thought it was detrimental to the pup again you wouldn't have bought it. The breeder has given you a pup which she wanted to breed with and entrusted its care and welfare to you so that when the time comes to have puppies the bitch is well cared for and in good condition. You determined that you wanted the pup and were prepared to accept the conditions that the breeder placed because at the time you were happy to comply with . She took more risk placing the pup with you than she would have if she had kept the dog on her property in control of all the variables that will impact on her when she whelps and not to have to worry about you being horrible when the time came for you to pay up. You can either keep finding things to be ticked off about and justify why the breeder sucks or give her the benefit of the doubt,assume she is trying to do the right thing by the dog, you and the breed and enjoy the whole thing and see it as something that is awesome for you and your girl to experience. Well said Steve. Added, almost every negative point that Panlu makes regarding her agreed breeders terms is related to money. Breeders terms are not for everyone, granted. But I find it distasteful and unfair to the breeder that a person happily takes up the offer and then bad mouths them later down the track. Panlu has no idea of the costs and work involved in raising a litter of puppies and clearly thinks the breeders is making a killing off her. Edited November 9, 2015 by Starkehre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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