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MIR   

Hi,

I just took my puppy to get her 3rd and final vaccination before I can take her out in public and I was concerned if the vaccinations my pup has gotten is okay.

At 6 weeks - Canigen DHa2P was given.

At 10.5 weeks - Canvac 4 was given.

At 15.5 weeks - Canvac 4 and Canvac CCi was given.

Are these vaccines fine for my puppy to go out in public safely?

Thanks

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Mjosa   

Yes but if she has just had her last vaccination today, I would not be tempted to take her off of your property for another week.

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Mjosa   

This puppy is fully vaccinated and as I said in my last post leave her on your property for another week and from then on she is good to go for walks.

This has been my regime since starting to breed way back in 1979 and the advice I give my new puppy buyers and we have not in all those years had a problem.

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I can't infer tone from your post, but please understand that my response was not a slight on you. I just think that one is best to contact their vet for health-related concerns; they know the puppy's history and all it would take is a quick phone call. In a public forum you can get a whole heap of different opinions, many not from vets or vet nurses or in your case an experienced breeder who has not had any issues. :)

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oakway   

MIR.....All I can tell you is this. My puppies are vaccinated at 8 weeks and micro chipped. Within a few days of this the pups are flown to their new owners or travel in cars to their new owners home. They go for walks and nothing untoward has ever happened to one of them. Most vaccines work fully within 36 hours. Saying that a pup needs 3 vaccines to me is over kill. To me it would be like going to the doctor for a vaccination and the doctor telling you that you have to wait 2 weeks before it become effective. We all know the minute you get it is starting to work. The only time it doesn't is if you are already harbouring the virus. The same would go for the dog. Usually a second vaccination is advised, just to make sure, in case the first one didn't work. As I said, this works for me and it is only an opinion. If you are in doubt I would look on the AVA protocol of vaccinations and see what they have to say.

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MIR   

This puppy is fully vaccinated and as I said in my last post leave her on your property for another week and from then on she is good to go for walks.

This has been my regime since starting to breed way back in 1979 and the advice I give my new puppy buyers and we have not in all those years had a problem.

MIR.....All I can tell you is this. My puppies are vaccinated at 8 weeks and micro chipped. Within a few days of this the pups are flown to their new owners or travel in cars to their new owners home. They go for walks and nothing untoward has ever happened to one of them. Most vaccines work fully within 36 hours. Saying that a pup needs 3 vaccines to me is over kill. To me it would be like going to the doctor for a vaccination and the doctor telling you that you have to wait 2 weeks before it become effective. We all know the minute you get it is starting to work. The only time it doesn't is if you are already harbouring the virus. The same would go for the dog. Usually a second vaccination is advised, just to make sure, in case the first one didn't work. As I said, this works for me and it is only an opinion. If you are in doubt I would look on the AVA protocol of vaccinations and see what they have to say.

Thank you both for your opinions. My vet did say I can take her out in public after a week or so. I have seen many different opinions, some saying you can take your puppy out right after the third vaccination and some saying a week. I am not too sure what is right, but to be safe, I will wait a week until I take her out for walks and to the park.

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Mjosa   

So glad that you have got this sorted with the vet as well.

The advice that I gave is exactly what all of the vets over all of those years had given me, mind you we did not have the regime of vaccinations like we have today, used to be only one back in the early days.

Best of luck with your new fur baby and may you have many many happy years together. :thumbsup:

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MIR it's a really tough call. At the end of the day every choice we make with our youngsters has some risk - whether to desex, how often to vaccinate, what type of exercise to give and WHEN to socialise. I look at your question from a number of perspectives....as a behavioural scientist, as a breeder, as a one-on-one trainer and as an owner/trainer of performance dogs. Firstly, understand the risk of disease like parvo in your area - ie ask your vet. Secondly, understand that even with the best intentions you can inadvertently bring disease into your home on your shoes - this is my worst nightmare as a breeder. Thirdly, know that the critical socialisation window falls within the isolation period around vaccinations. Fourthly, there is no perfect solution. Personally i encourage my puppy buyers to get their pups out into the big wild world but do it safely - drive to the local cafe or shopping strip, carry pup in your arms, rest pup on your lap, let them watch the world go by and reward them with treats for relaxing, don't let them interact with dogs of unknown temperament or health, don't frequent dog parks - actually don't ever do this, take them to a REALLY GOOD puppy school - no free for alls permitted, introduce them to as many people, sights and sounds as possible in a POSITIVE way. And have FUN!

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MIR it's a really tough call. At the end of the day every choice we make with our youngsters has some risk - whether to desex, how often to vaccinate, what type of exercise to give and WHEN to socialise. I look at your question from a number of perspectives....as a behavioural scientist, as a breeder, as a one-on-one trainer and as an owner/trainer of performance dogs. Firstly, understand the risk of disease like parvo in your area - ie ask your vet. Secondly, understand that even with the best intentions you can inadvertently bring disease into your home on your shoes - this is my worst nightmare as a breeder. Thirdly, know that the critical socialisation window falls within the isolation period around vaccinations. Fourthly, there is no perfect solution. Personally i encourage my puppy buyers to get their pups out into the big wild world but do it safely - drive to the local cafe or shopping strip, carry pup in your arms, rest pup on your lap, let them watch the world go by and reward them with treats for relaxing, don't let them interact with dogs of unknown temperament or health, don't frequent dog parks - actually don't ever do this, take them to a REALLY GOOD puppy school - no free for alls permitted, introduce them to as many people, sights and sounds as possible in a POSITIVE way. And have FUN!

Very well explained . :)

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MIR.....All I can tell you is this. My puppies are vaccinated at 8 weeks and micro chipped. Within a few days of this the pups are flown to their new owners or travel in cars to their new owners home. They go for walks and nothing untoward has ever happened to one of them. Most vaccines work fully within 36 hours. Saying that a pup needs 3 vaccines to me is over kill. To me it would be like going to the doctor for a vaccination and the doctor telling you that you have to wait 2 weeks before it become effective. We all know the minute you get it is starting to work. The only time it doesn't is if you are already harbouring the virus. The same would go for the dog. Usually a second vaccination is advised, just to make sure, in case the first one didn't work. As I said, this works for me and it is only an opinion. If you are in doubt I would look on the AVA protocol of vaccinations and see what they have to say.

Totally agree with this and would add that in all probability there will already be effective immunity from the mother.

I happily take my puppies out and about - within reason- I don't see this any different than flying the pup somewhere or even going from the breeder to the new owners home.

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Willem   

MIR.....All I can tell you is this. My puppies are vaccinated at 8 weeks and micro chipped. Within a few days of this the pups are flown to their new owners or travel in cars to their new owners home. They go for walks and nothing untoward has ever happened to one of them. Most vaccines work fully within 36 hours. Saying that a pup needs 3 vaccines to me is over kill. To me it would be like going to the doctor for a vaccination and the doctor telling you that you have to wait 2 weeks before it become effective. We all know the minute you get it is starting to work. The only time it doesn't is if you are already harbouring the virus. The same would go for the dog. Usually a second vaccination is advised, just to make sure, in case the first one didn't work. As I said, this works for me and it is only an opinion. If you are in doubt I would look on the AVA protocol of vaccinations and see what they have to say.

Totally agree with this and would add that in all probability there will already be effective immunity from the mother.

I happily take my puppies out and about - within reason- I don't see this any different than flying the pup somewhere or even going from the breeder to the new owners home.

the path from passive or maternal immunity to active immunity via seroconversion is a little bit more complex. While the maternal immunity fades out after a relative short period, it is actually the cause why seroconversion for early vaccination (to get active immunity) can be compromised. That's why the shot after 16 weeks is the most important one as that's the approx. period (which differs from breed to breed) where numbers of maternal antibodies are dropped to a level that won't hinder seroconversion (you can argue whether the early shots do more damage than good so).

As all vaccinations are a major stress for the immune system (the combined ones are obviously the worst once as the immune system has to respond to more than one type of attacker) it is recommended to allow for some recovery time after the last shot. Not much sense in being protected against hepatitis, but not being able to fight a simple stomach bug because the immune system is down and exhausted. And there can be also severe side effects caused by vaccines. Hence I always would wait a few days before I allow my dog the 'normal public program'.

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