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Hello, I have a question. I'm going to Wantirna to meet a relative to pick up a 3-week-old beagle pup that my family decided to adopt. I know it won't be much of a long drive but how can I safely drive home a 3-week-old pup all the way from Wantirna to Cranbourne? I'm worried it might throw up or something. 

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THREE WEEKS OLD !!!!!!!!!!!!!! why is this happening at this young age, the rules of governing bodies are that a puppy must be at least eight weeks old.

At three weeks, speaking from almost 50 years of breeding, the puppy would not even be weaned off of the Mother, they need to be with the Mother to get the benefit of Dams milk and also socialisation, which is just so important, the litter mates and the Mother teach each other manners, also it would not be used to solid food :swear: and I do not like your chances of rearing it, rearing a puppy is not just putting a plate of food down, also another big thing is that the puppy would not be immunised or micro chipped also an offence.:swear:

This of course is a reportable offence even to the RSPCA if the breeder is not a registered breeder, I would be very careful of continuing this transaction until the pup is at least 8 weeks old.

Put the pup's well being ahead of human wanting straight away.

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3 hours ago, chrlsrand said:

how can I safely drive home a 3-week-old pup all the way from Wantirna to Cranbourne? I'm worried it might throw up or something. 

There has to be an explanation for this ....
a very short time ago , you didn't think your family could cope with a pup/dog .
you were doing your homework , and had a lot to learn , you said ...
I am still hoping the numbers are wrong and that you will post  that really, you have an 8 week old puppy , all healthy, vaccinated and chipped  :) 
You have children , right? 
What did you do with them as teeny babies  on car trips etc ? Pups are not much different. They need to be contained in a carrier/crate .

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I know I must have sounded crazy with my initial post but unforeseen circumstance happened to the owner.  Her husband passed away last Sunday. As soon as her husband's funeral is taken care of, she's planning to go back to her parent's place in Auckland with Elly (Mum of the pup) for the meantime to recuperate for the loss. That's why she's in need of people to look after the pups. You see, I won't be asking this kind of question if I know I'll be picking an older pup but it's a 3-week-old and I just want to make sure I can take the pup safely home. This is all I could do for them and I'm ready to commit. I'm really sorry if I disappointed some of you folks. 

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They're very sad circumstances, but it would definitely not be in the best interest of the pup or the mother dog to take a puppy at this age.  Is the pup a singleton?   That means it's in much greater need of its mother.  Is it possible for you to take Lily and the pup until the owner feels able to cope. 

To be honest, I think your best bet is to talk to the RSPCA (and I'm not normally a fan, but in that area, there are some really good people), and see if they have any experienced foster carers who could help.

Another alternative would be to talk to Lily's vet to see if they might have any suggestions.

Please do anything you can to help keep mother and pup together.

 

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Very sad circumstances.

To be honest I do not think it would  in the pups best interest for someone who has never had a puppy this young for you to take it on.

It would be bottle feeding for at least another week, someone would have to on hand 24/7 to make sure that the pup is kept warm, only at an age where it has only learnt to control it's body heat and with young children around you would have to be sure that they are not rough with it.

I think that Tassie suggestion for the breeder is to contact with the RSPCA or foster group to take on the puppies AND their Mother until she is able to return, puppies at this age, as I said before, should still be with the Mother for their well being, not a person who is not up with the rearing of such young babies.

If I were you I would be looking elsewhere for a puppy that has had all the hard rearing done and ready to leave home and let thoughts of this puppy GO, not a good situation.

 

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It would seem that the breeder is too bereft with grief to think straight. Separating a mother and her 3 week old pups is not a good idea. PM me with the breeder's details and I will contact her and arrange for the mum and pups to be fostered and raised until pups are old enough to be rehomed, at no cost to herself and she can still deal long distance with puppy purchasers etc. and the dam can join the breeder in NZ once the pups have gone to their new homes.

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Just a thought; is there any chance some nearby DOLer has a bitch with pups at the moment that they can use as a surrogate mum? or even contact rescues to find out if there is a lactating  mum and pups in their care

Edited to say: sorry RP, I didn't read your post correctly and now realise you had offered a much better and generous plan

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54 minutes ago, RuralPug said:

It would seem that the breeder is too bereft with grief to think straight. Separating a mother and her 3 week old pups is not a good idea. PM me with the breeder's details and I will contact her and arrange for the mum and pups to be fostered and raised until pups are old enough to be rehomed, at no cost to herself and she can still deal long distance with puppy purchasers etc. and the dam can join the breeder in NZ once the pups have gone to their new homes.

What an amazingly kind offer, RuralPug.   I do so hope the OP takes you up on it.

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@chrlsrand

:( That is an awful situation . 
taking a puppy is a generous offer - BUT raising a teeny singleton  is not easy  when done properly . 
I have worked with dogs most of my life ..and dealt with tiny pups ..like many of the good DOL members here have . At present having a 3 wk old would be too much for me ..I need my sleep , and am no good anymore with routine. The work is constant , like a newborn human baby , plus it will need absolute isolation to protect against viral infections   and children will not be allowed to play with it - it's too small . 

A puppy needs so much more than food ... and this time in a puppy's life is where it learns to speak DOG, to act DOG , and habits to last a lifetime. 
being with mum, and/or littermates provides mental and physical stimulation essential to becoming a dog of decent temperament .
Rural Pug has made a wonderful offer!!  I do hope it can be acted upon - it will take a huge load of everyone's shoulders.  :heart:

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3 hours ago, RuralPug said:

It would seem that the breeder is too bereft with grief to think straight. Separating a mother and her 3 week old pups is not a good idea. PM me with the breeder's details and I will contact her and arrange for the mum and pups to be fostered and raised until pups are old enough to be rehomed, at no cost to herself and she can still deal long distance with puppy purchasers etc. and the dam can join the breeder in NZ once the pups have gone to their new homes.

Wonderful offer RP :heart: If there is a way I can be of assistance please let me know. 

 

Agree with other posts. 3 weeks is a crazy time to separate mum and pups. Distressing for all. Please take up RP’s offer. 

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3 hours ago, RuralPug said:

It would seem that the breeder is too bereft with grief to think straight. Separating a mother and her 3 week old pups is not a good idea. PM me with the breeder's details and I will contact her and arrange for the mum and pups to be fostered and raised until pups are old enough to be rehomed, at no cost to herself and she can still deal long distance with puppy purchasers etc. and the dam can join the breeder in NZ once the pups have gone to their new homes.

RP I live quite close to you and have a vacant puppy pen if you are "stuck"

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First external parasite treatment AND first internal parasite treatment
All dogs
In the 30 days before the date of shipment and at least two weeks before the second treatment

Heartworm test
 

 

Heartworm treatment AND second internal parasite treatment
Dogs from all countries
In the 4 days before to the date of shipment

 

These are 2 of the requirements to ship a dog from Aus to NZ. https://www.mpi.govt.nz/importing/live-animals/pets/steps-to-importing-cats-and-dogs/

 

So as you can see it will be at least 2 weeks before Elly, the Mumma dog, could fly out. Then there is the restriction on dogs flying in from Dec 23rd to Jan 2

 

To successfully import your cat or dog you need to:

read the import health standard (IHS), guidance document and checklists for cats and dogs

check that your cat or dog is eligible for import into New Zealand – refer to the guidance document

use a pet exporter (recommended)

book an MPI-approved quarantine facility (for all cats and dogs except from Australia)

apply for a permit to import from MPI a minimum of 20 working days in advance of the date you require the permit (all cats and dogs except from Australia)

ensure all of the import requirements have been met

notify an official veterinarian in New Zealand:

at least 5 working days before arrival for cats and dogs from Australia

at least 72 hours before arrival for cats and dogs from all other approved countries

check inspection times for biosecurity clearance for cats and dogs from Australia

declare any medication your animal is taking.

Note arrangements during Christmas and New Year for cats and dogs from Australia

From 23 December 2017 through to and including 2 January 2018, cats and dogs from Australia cannot be cleared at the border. Any cats or dogs arriving during this period will be transferred to an approved quarantine facility until a veterinary inspection can be done. 

 

So no need to take a 3 week old puppy that you have no idea on how to take care of and seem more worried it might throw up in your car.

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