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Stage 3 Renal Failure

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sheena   
48 minutes ago, Deeds said:

 

 

What can you do.  As long as she had fluids.  Better to have the fluids than not.  Particularly in the very hot weather we are experiencing at the moment.

 

The specialist told us always have plenty of fresh water available.  I have noticed my dog with the kidney issue won't drink the water unless he has seen me fill the bowl & it is straight from the tap.  Whether that's a personal fetish or something to do with the kidney issue I don't know.

 

 

Bindi will only drink water from the bowls that are inside the house

 

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kayla1   
20 hours ago, sheena said:

She hasn't drunk much to day that I have noticed, probably because we have had visitors, & her breath stank, so I put a teaspoon of milk in a bowl of water & she drank the lot.  Hope I have done the right thing,

The kidney disease smell is quite distinctive, if that's what it is that you're smelling on her breath. 

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sheena   
6 hours ago, kayla1 said:

The kidney disease smell is quite distinctive, if that's what it is that you're smelling on her breath. 

It is not a very nice smell...at first I thought it might be bad breath from the Hill kibble she is on

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sheena   

I put her outside for a pee about 3am & then tried to go back to sleep.  Finally I went into a deep sleep & at 7am, she encouraged the younger dog to open the door for her (he's good at that) & she came flying into my bedroom & jumped up on me with lovely muddy paws & then proceeded to do zoomies around the room & carry on like a 2 month old. So still plenty of energy left in the old girl.

Her appetite is good. She is eating the Hills which I pour some water over the top.  She is not drinking much water.  She is wanting more & more milk added. I tried her again this morning with the milk in the water, but she wouldn't touch it, till I poured it into her feed bowl. I thought I might get her some Brunswick Sardines No Salt Added, & just top her kibble with one or two as a treat.

Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences & advice.  It is all being taken on board.  Not sure if I would like to go totally down the holistic path as there is no-one local that I could see.  & I really don't want to experiment with my precious girl.  I have faith in this new vet I have been taking her to....just want to make her meals a little more exciting without upsetting the balance.  I am about to order some RC dry plus cans.

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Can you do diluted broth in her water maybe? 

I put a soup bone (just a small one) in the slow  cooker with water and a tonne of carrots, pumpkin etc. And cook  it overnight for my doggies. They literally stand in the kitchen drooling waiting for their carrots!

 

I think adding water to the kibble is an excellent idea. I mean, if the body has to rehydrate it to digest it, you wanna help out the poor old kidneys as much as possible.

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JulesP   

You could maybe try the Pediasure if she is wanting milk. I use it when Amber is really poorly. It is for sick children. Only get the vanilla one. I don't know if it is suitable for a dog with Kidney disease but did find it as a suggestion for kids with kidney disease. It has easily absorbed proteins which give the organs a break whilst supplying nutrients. I use this as a meal btw.  https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/72519/pediasure-vanilla-850g

 

Have you tried the baby food? I get the Raffetty ones in the veggie flavours. https://www.raffertysgarden.com.au/baby-food-products/4-month-baby-food/pumpkin-apple-sweetcorn

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Deeds   

And you could add some salt reduced stock to her kibble.  Chicken,vegetable ,beef or fish.

 

I have used Campbells salt reduced stock in the past.  The more hydration she gets the better it is for her.  I also hydrate the kibble with the springwater from the Brunswick sardines without the sardines.

 

 

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sheena   

Thanks everyone for the suggestions.  I will ask the vet about the Pediasure if the little bit of milk is a problem.  Good idea on the stock.  I will make some up, even if it is just to get her to drink more.  I usually make up a whole heap of fish stock after hubbie has been fishing & use this on their kibble.  As I say, she is eating it no problem, but I am sure she is finding it awfully boring

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Deeds   

The fish stock would be perfect & you could add some lightly steamed/boiled fish on top or scattered thru the kibble.

 

It's good that she is eating the kibble .  I thought the kibble would make her drink more water.  They do get bored with the kibble.  That's why I do the veggies, rice & chicken at night.   Just layer the kibble with a little bit of cooked chicken or fish or sardine sprinkled thru or on top.

 

My dog is not on any medication but he is a young dog that was born with this condition.

 

Fish oil is also very good for dogs with renal problems.  I use Blackmores Paw fish oil veterinary strength.  The Specialist ok'd this & Chewy loves it on top of his kibble.  Specialist said to halve the recommended dose because most of the renal food products contain  fish oil.

 

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sheena   

I gave her a bath today & have been trying to get out some dreads from in her loins, but she appears to be a bit touchy around that area.  I am guessing that maybe that area is tender due to the kidneys??  

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RuralPug   
On 1/9/2019 at 6:24 PM, sheena said:

I gave her a bath today & have been trying to get out some dreads from in her loins, but she appears to be a bit touchy around that area.  I am guessing that maybe that area is tender due to the kidneys??  

Possibly, but kidneys are closer to the back/spine than the loin area. It might simply be that those matts are close to the skin and pulling. Given the circumstances, perhaps just cut them out rather than trying to work them free?

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sheena   

She is eating a lot of grass.  I know they eat grass to induce vomiting, but I havn't seen her vomit.  Her poos are dark green & full of grass.  Is this normal?  Apart from that she is quite active & still eating good.

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kayla1   
1 hour ago, sheena said:

She is eating a lot of grass.  I know they eat grass to induce vomiting, but I havn't seen her vomit.  Her poos are dark green & full of grass.  Is this normal?  Apart from that she is quite active & still eating good.

I can't say whether it's normal or not but it's not something that my boy did, though his kidney failure came on very quickly and it wasn't long before he stopped eating altogether (he may have been in a later stage of kidney failure compared to your girl). 

 

Is she on medication to prevent stomach ulcers? It's great that she's still active and eating.

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sheena   
52 minutes ago, kayla1 said:

I can't say whether it's normal or not but it's not something that my boy did, though his kidney failure came on very quickly and it wasn't long before he stopped eating altogether (he may have been in a later stage of kidney failure compared to your girl). 

 

Is she on medication to prevent stomach ulcers? It's great that she's still active and eating.

No she is not on any medication just the KD diet, a tiny bit of sardine & half a turkey neck.  She was on medication for a bleeding stomach ulcer prior to this, but last test showed that she was over that. I am thinking that maybe she is after some fibre as the mush that comes out of the KD can for her nightly meal, breaks my heart.  That is why I am continuing with the half a turkey neck, for her teeth.  She gets the KD kibble in the morning.

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Unsure if someone has mentioned this already but you could measure out some kibble and store it in the same container as stinky food and it will take on some flavour or appetising scent without having to feed that food to her specifically. You could have the stinky food in a container on top of the kibble so it doesn’t touch it if that’s a concern.

 

Re fiber you could ask your vet about a supplement. Ours currently has Mal trying unflavoured Metamucil. 

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Tassie   
4 hours ago, sheena said:

She is eating a lot of grass.  I know they eat grass to induce vomiting, but I havn't seen her vomit.  Her poos are dark green & full of grass.  Is this normal?  Apart from that she is quite active & still eating good.

My dogs don't think it's abnormal.  :)  And Sunday at Dog CLub, Pippa had a nice little on lead play with her good BC friend Molly .. then next minute, they were side by side happy eating grass … so maybe the grass is really good at this time of year.   (Mine aren't doing it to induce vomiting either .. just coas they can.

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sheena   

Maybe it's a case of too much watching the cows LOL.  It is just that she is eating so much, her poos are black & green & chockers full of undigested grass & even gum leaves.  I might try cooking her up some sweet potato & giving it to her with her dinner.  I read somewhere to not give them the water the vegies are cooked in as it is high in phosphorus...not sure if this is true

 

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Tassie   

Mine are picking and eating little green apples too .. so I'm getting pretty herbivore poos sometimes, but maybe not to Bindi's extent.   I believe that's right about the phosphorus . and magnesium, in veg water.   ANd the cooked sweet potato shouldn't hurt.

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sheena   
10 hours ago, Deeds said:

 

 

How is Bindi going.

Hi Deeds, thanks for asking.  She is booked in for another blood test next Tuesday.  She is eating the KD kibble ok, but I have been very naughty & have been putting a salt free sardine amongst it & she is still getting the half turkey neck, so I guess the result next week will tell me if she can continue with the turkey neck.  It breaks my heart to just be giving her boring kibble & tinned mash. She has had a couple of accidents lately but I have bought some Connie pads.  Still very active & very clingy as if she knows there is something wrong. Maybe that's because I can't stop telling her how much I love her :(

 

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