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Kez   

I am getting hips and elbows done soon, on an older dog (6 year old).

 

Anyhow, I was reading this old topic,

and wondered if people’s perceptions of the two types of hip scoring have changed in eight years?

 

Additional Question for the experienced: What, if any, considerations should be taken when scoring an older dog?

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Dogsfevr   

Penn hip is not common in Australia now ,it’s just doesn’t have its place .

 

Depends on the scorer you have chosen to use and whether they factor age in anyway but 6 isn’t that old so the hips and elbows are either good or bad 

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19 hours ago, Kez said:

I am getting hips and elbows done soon, on an older dog (6 year old).

 

Anyhow, I was reading this old topic,

and wondered if people’s perceptions of the two types of hip scoring have changed in eight years?

 

Additional Question for the experienced: What, if any, considerations should be taken when scoring an older dog?

Why are you getting him scored? Health? Stud work? 

My experience is that scores aren't very good at predicting problems... some dogs who have 'bad' hips go to old age without ever limping and some with good scores go lame.  So unless there's a clinical problem or you want to breed him, why bother? 

 

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Kez   
On 02/08/2019 at 12:43 PM, sandgrubber said:

Why are you getting him scored? Health? Stud work? 

My experience is that scores aren't very good at predicting problems... some dogs who have 'bad' hips go to old age without ever limping and some with good scores go lame.  So unless there's a clinical problem or you want to breed him, why bother? 

 

Potential stud.

He has his CH and as our breed has a limited gene pool, if he passes his health tests then he becomes another option for breeders.  

If he doesn’t pass then he isn’t an option.  

His sister(s) have bred on well, but he is the only male (I think) from his damline that is still entire (he is by an imported sire). 

 

I see that there are three different choices for having the images read (OFAA).  Now I am wondering if there is any difference in who reads the images?

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Kez   
On 01/08/2019 at 8:27 PM, Dogsfevr said:

Depends on the scorer you have chosen to use and whether they factor age in anyway but 6 isn’t that old so the hips and elbows are either good or bad 

So I have ruled out Penn hip (thankyou; your comment was echoed by many others I spoke to).

 

Is there a reason why one scorer may be different to another?

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Rebanne   
1 hour ago, Kez said:

 

 

Is there a reason why one scorer may be different to another?

Because they are individuals reading an xray. Very experienced individuals but still human. One of "the" 3 I wouldn't use in a pink fit. If I was doing a dog nowadays I'd go to the woman in WA. Honey Richardson? Does the GSD scoring

 

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5 hours ago, Rebanne said:

Because they are individuals reading an xray. Very experienced individuals but still human. One of "the" 3 I wouldn't use in a pink fit. If I was doing a dog nowadays I'd go to the woman in WA. Honey Richardson? Does the GSD scoring

 

Most in WA dont use her but use the guy in NSW 

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Rebanne   
40 minutes ago, Dogsfevr said:

Most in WA dont use her but use the guy in NSW 

:rofl: not only are the scorers individuals but so are the dog owners :laugh:

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ish   

Lavelle is still a popular choice amongst GSD people

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2 hours ago, ish said:

Lavelle is still a popular choice amongst GSD people

!! Is Roger still working? Gosh....blast from the past!He was brilliant way back when.....

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I had Ginny's x-rays done yesterday and yes, they will be going to Roger Lavelle. He did her Mama's and were exactly in line with my vet's prediction.

 

I have spoken to a specialist at Monash Vets and Penn Hip is good for some breeds. USA Field Bred Labs, for example. However I don't know of any Field Bred ESS breeders who test so it's not very useful. If anything Penn Hip would compare my girls with show lines. So I will be sticking with ANKC for the time being. When I can justify the expense I will do both so I can get a handle on Penn Hip.

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