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well, I cruised gumtree . .The pet breeders have not only stepped in the massive gap. they are even asking more than ANKC breeders if comparing the litters advertised on Dogzonline?   Asked in the breeders section as at this morning 92 read it but not a one has made a comment.  

 

Is there any recommended prices? 

For the various breeds?

 

 

 

I noticed in the Dogzonline litters for sale in  Cattle dogs, two breeders are asking 1,000 each for their puppies.   Others dont put the price . 

 

 

This add is among others on gumtree and interestingly realised are not even ankc registered?   They are advertised as ACD's yet all described as stumpy tails?

as anyone who knows cattle dogs, stumpy's do not have black and tan on them.

 

 

 

Australian Cattle Dog pups
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Australian Cattle Dog pups

$2,500
Orange, Orange New South Wales, Australia
Cattle Dog Pups
Females $2500
Males $2000
Available from 14th Jan 2021
Microchipped and Vet checked TBA
Responsible Pet Breeders Association number RPBA:2686

Direct message for more information.
  • Date Listed:04/01/2021
  • Last Edited:04/01/2021
  • The state where this ad will be found:NSW
  • Breed:Australian Cattle dog
  • Size:Medium
  • Pet's Date of Birth:19/11/2020
  • Purebred:Yes
  • Pet Offered By:Breeder
  • Microchip no. (Req'd NSW, QLD, SA, ACT, VIC):953010001726422
  • Pet Age:Younger Than Six Months
  • Rehome From:14/01/2021
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I just cant believe this, that they are asking and I suspect getting more than ANKC bred ACD's?

 

What on earth is going on?

 

these are not even from health tested parents?

 

afraid to go checking on prices for all the other breeds, to compare the differences, just cant believe this has happened

 

 

 

Australian Blue cattle dog puppies for sale
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Australian Blue cattle dog puppies for sale

$2,000
Tumut Plains
We have 2 female Australian Blue cattle dog puppies for sale. Fully vaccinated, wormed and microchipped. Member of the RPBA.
  • Date Listed:09/01/2021
  • Last Edited:Yesterday
  • Breeder Licence no. (Req'd for ACT Breeders):2956
  • The state where this ad will be found:NSW
  • Breed:Australian Cattle dog
  • Size:Medium
  • Pet's Date of Birth:21/11/2020
  • Purebred:Yes
  • Pet Offered By:Breeder
  • Microchip no. (Req'd NSW, QLD, SA, ACT, VIC):991003000822947
  • Pet Age:Younger Than Six Months
  • Rehome From:16/01/2021
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Think last count, three ANKC have been asking 1,000

 

I actually rang two and asked why so cheap, to be told," I am not breeding for the money."  It is nice people can buy a cheap ankc puppy, but too few being bred anyway

 

I know how much it costs to raise a puppy, so lucky to cover costs .  From the photos all the cheap puppies were FAR better quality than the ones above.  SO why is asking less than a puppy is actually worth believed to be proving your a better person? 


We are Registered breeders with Dogs NSW, we are not back yard breeders. Our litters are planned and our puppies are born and raised in the house with us, and will be available when they are 8 weeks of age, they will come fully registered with Dogs NSW on the main register, wormed fortnightly from two weeks of age, microchipped immunised vet checked fully socialised with other dogs cats chooks horses etc and six weeks free puppy insurance.
Please see our website above for all sales terms and conditions of sale.
$1000.00 each plus transport at purchasers expense.
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On 01/11/2020 at 9:36 AM, asal said:

I know everyone was told, dont breed, we dont want people wanting a puppy just because they are stuck at home.

I have no idea where it is now. but at the time I asked.. Do our dogs know because there is a pandemic they are not allowed to die of old age or accident until its over?

 

I am getting phone calls on average three to five a week, some days that many in one day. 

And every one of them is to replace the dog they have just lost or finally getting over the loss after a year or so and yep there are no dogs to be found.

 

how how did that come about?  its not just because of the pandemic

 

the call has been out not to breed an ankc litter for decades unless you wish to replace for yourself.

nothing is more unethical or irresponsible than to breed a litter for sale as pets.

As for letting anyone have a main register pup and keep members in the ANKC?

Most of the breeders are dead end kennels, Never sell a main register pup.

Over 20 years ago I loaned one of mine to a "friend" to breed a pup with the option of a second litter if she was not happy with a pup from the first.. Sooo  she bred two litters. 7 in each litter and sold every one of them on limit register. and they were 2000 pups 20 years ago. so she pocketed $24,000 and bought a car and imported a pup instead.

I was supposed to get a pup from each litter and I did. but as she had first choice and each time she said there were two she was deciding between I had to settle for 3rd choice.   So I was pretty pissed off when I learned she had limit registered every one aside from my two 3rd choices and sold them all as pets?

 

yep there are some interesting people that are ankc "breeders" and think they are the perfection of ethical and responsible.

 

But dont worry.

 

The government is granting breeding licences to commercial puppy farms to fill the massive gap there now is between the hundreds of thousands of people who would love a pet.

 

I just find it hilarious that although no one should be allowed to be an ankc member if they are a "puppy farmer" yet if you are inspected by the rspca for compliance to the "POCTA for breeding dogs and cats" which is minimum by law you must comply with. 

What is this "POCTA"   read it and you realise, our government in NSW, who made it law, is the minimum standard for a puppy farm.

 

The difference of course is although an ankc member is actually a legal puppy farm. They dare not breed pets for joe public.  that would be unethical and irresponsible and hated by your fellow members.

 

So it is up to the real puppy farms to gear up and meet the demand. 

 

The ankc have seen this coming for years. or they would not have published this

 

http://ankc.org.au/media/6598/a-forensic-view-of-puppy-breeding-in-australiav4.pdf

Hello Asal, would like to know more about the case on the long gap you had on a female that had the stillborns and 2 weeks later the other ones... what antibiotics did you use? My email [email protected]

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On 12/01/2021 at 11:00 AM, asal said:

well, I cruised gumtree . .The pet breeders have not only stepped in the massive gap. they are even asking more than ANKC breeders if comparing the litters advertised on Dogzonline?   Asked in the breeders section as at this morning 92 read it but not a one has made a comment.  

 

Is there any recommended prices? 

For the various breeds?

 

 

 

I noticed in the Dogzonline litters for sale in  Cattle dogs, two breeders are asking 1,000 each for their puppies.   Others dont put the price . 

 

 

This add is among others on gumtree and interestingly realised are not even ankc registered?   They are advertised as ACD's yet all described as stumpy tails?

as anyone who knows cattle dogs, stumpy's do not have black and tan on them.

 

 

 

Australian Cattle Dog pups
5 images
860 views

Australian Cattle Dog pups

$2,500
Orange, Orange New South Wales, Australia
Cattle Dog Pups
Females $2500
Males $2000
Available from 14th Jan 2021
Microchipped and Vet checked TBA
Responsible Pet Breeders Association number RPBA:2686

Direct message for more information.
  • Date Listed:04/01/2021
  • Last Edited:04/01/2021
  • The state where this ad will be found:NSW
  • Breed:Australian Cattle dog
  • Size:Medium
  • Pet's Date of Birth:19/11/2020
  • Purebred:Yes
  • Pet Offered By:Breeder
  • Microchip no. (Req'd NSW, QLD, SA, ACT, VIC):953010001726422
  • Pet Age:Younger Than Six Months
  • Rehome From:14/01/2021

 

Well, previously I would have said that cattle dogs are a landrace, and people looking for a good farm dog might not care about tan markings or tails. I do notice, however, that they are RPBA memebers, and not a working dog registry. ACDs are also popular at the moment, due to the TV show Bluey, and so are a target for people making quick money.

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pardon me while I laugh my head off. If i was going to breed to make money it wouldn't be cattle dogs, all that work for less than half the return of the cavaliers, oodles u name it "popular" breeds.

 

As well as the fact if the buyer had no knowledge of working dog breeds its a disaster waiting to happen. They are way too smart for the average dog person. Will end up in charge and training the human.

 

 

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On 02/11/2020 at 5:45 PM, moosmum said:

 

Yep. All valid points.

But would not be having the same impact if breeding for pet markets and demands had been accepted from the start, and less push for regulation, more focus on showing people how to make it all work.If people understand the work involved and its purpose, they are less likely to over estimate their abilities to do it, or recognise where a seller has failed. 

 The socialisation aspect would be a problem, but pedigrees would hold a higher percentage of the market, contain more diversity (and meet more diverse needs for that) and accessibility.

 

It would be definitely. be more  difficult to screen buyers !

 

I  keep reading that.

Socialisation of puppies in lockdown is not possible?

Socialisation is the breeders job.

Talk to your puppies.

Play with your puppies 

Laugh with your puppies and what happens? 

Happy enthusiastic puppies

 

You don't need a crowd to Socialisation baby puppies

 

They are so young they don't yet differentiate between faces.

They run to anyone who sounds friendly and happy

Its not rocket science as the thought police try to convince everyone. 

 

I haven't had one single person call to get a pup who isn't replacing one they have lost.

 

 

Not a single one in lockdown looking for a dog to relieve the blues.

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just took a 10 week puppy to friend who had to quarantine due to possible exposure so couldn't get him till now.

I was worried he was growing so fast his now much bigger size might cause her cats to be more inclined to see him as a threat.

Her boy she had lost last year had obviously missed the no dying until covid is gone.

 

He had never met her till now

So what happened? 

She called. Here puppy puppy

 

Amazingly. 

Well if the thought police are to be believed. 

He sure wouldn't have ran to her tail helicoptering with joy at meeting a new best friend.

He has never seen a cat before as I don't have any. 

He tactfully approached her cats.

Sat and waited for them stop hissing at the new face.

Even Kismet her really timid boy didn't go bolting but checked him out from the safety of the top of the arm of the lounge

 

This morning they surrounded him and let him understand he's bottom of the pecking order.

No one hit him with a paw unsheathed. 

 

So even his cat socialisation skills are progressing well 

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I have just done what I couldn't have imagined last year, and paid $700. for a mongrel. Not a designer breed. A mongrel- that might have sold as a pup last year for well under $500. So a BYB dog.

I have no regrets(so far!) There was another buyer ready to take her sight unseen if I had decided against this 10 month old dog. I was looking for a pup, because many of the things I was looking for come down to training and socialisation in specific environments. This pup has had much of that good grounding done, with the added benefits that I can see what she looks like mature, even though shes not finished,  and can judge the temperament traits much better.

 

So I have here a very stable confident dog who doesn't seem to have any  issues, works for a connection and communication. She is showing her frustration atm at being inside by ripping up a newspaper. Has already learned my furniture is off limits, but she has her own. Has gone from yesterday wanting to dive onto my free range chooks, to this morning happy to walk past them and look to within 6 feet. She is gently but very firmly putting Goose in his place for humping (she is just finishing her 1st season)

 

People who want dogs will pay what they have to. I hope that prices don't stay so high in general that people who need dogs in their lives can't afford to have them there. That seems to be the case atm.

Pedigree or cross doesn't come into it for most people. They have an idea of what they want weather thats well informed or not. I think a breeders responsibility is to have a well informed market because that tends to regulate itself. With expectation and demand.That includes welfare issues- because a well informed market will not support poor breeders  with their purchase choices.

 

You could say this dog I have was not bred to any standard or fore thought, is an accident. But she meets  my standards when no breeder here came forward to say they could do the same. I would have supported that breeder with my choice. This may have been an accidental breeding-Or it could have been her breeder valued the traits this dog demonstrates above a breed standard that mentions them, but doesn't have any means to reward their demonstration where pedigrees are judged.

 

@asal If I had been looking for a breed, rather than a dog with specific traits (a cattle dog) you'd have been the 1st breeder I contacted because what I have learned from you here is that I could trust you for comprehensive knowledge of your dogs and what you want of the pups you produce,and an honest assessment of suitability etc. That should be of value to any buyer. Well informed buyers will pay for that. Theres no reason they shouldn't,  lots of reasons  they should, because then your success is something to emulate.

 

 

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