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Norwegian court cracks down on flat-faced dog breeds


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I have just adopted two Pekingese sisters (foster failure :rofl: :rofl: :heart::heart:) and before their adoption they each had already had two surgeries: entropion and skin folds reduction to stop hairs rubbing their eyes.  
 

What is the solution for many horrors perpetrated against dogs and other animals when Crufts has a BIS German Shepherd whose back elbows are almost on the ground and who can hardly walk properly and another year a Pekingese who could hardly breathe?  

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It is very interesting although I would suggest the pug, which often requires airway surgery, has far more issues due to being brachycephalic than the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel ever does.

 

I know it is desirable for the cavalier to have a shorter snout in the show ring although many purebred (not necessarily pedigree) CKCS pets I see actually have a longer snout.

 

I bred pedigree cavaliers a few years ago, and I know then it was very difficult to get one that had a clear DNA profile from Orivet. If they weren't affected, they were a carrier of something. I thought being brachycephalic was the least of their problems. Little did I know apparently.

 

 

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22 hours ago, Loving my Oldies said:

I have just adopted two Pekingese sisters (foster failure :rofl: :rofl: :heart::heart:) and before their adoption they each had already had two surgeries: entropion and skin folds reduction to stop hairs rubbing their eyes.  
 

What is the solution for many horrors perpetrated against dogs and other animals when Crufts has a BIS German Shepherd whose back elbows are almost on the ground and who can hardly walk properly and another year a Pekingese who could hardly breathe?  

Yet my parents had 3 Pekes and the only surgery needed was when one stabbed his eye on a rose bush. But they did have a pug who they got as an older dog from a breeder who needed entropion surgery. Breeder should have attended to before rehoming.

Some are sound, some are not.

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3 hours ago, Luvapoo said:

It is very interesting although I would suggest the pug, which often requires airway surgery, has far more issues due to being brachycephalic than the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel ever does.

 

I know it is desirable for the cavalier to have a shorter snout in the show ring although many purebred (not necessarily pedigree) CKCS pets I see actually have a longer snout.

 

I bred pedigree cavaliers a few years ago, and I know then it was very difficult to get one that had a clear DNA profile from Orivet. If they weren't affected, they were a carrier of something. I thought being brachycephalic was the least of their problems. Little did I know apparently.

 

 

 

Likely the 'other' problems are what put them on the same banned list and their Brachycephaly was more incidental.... so breeders would be more inclined to take note.

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It can certainly be just lucky, @Rebanne or it can be that certain breeders, against all odds, continue to do the right thing and their interest is purely breed enhancement.  unfortunately, just about everything is market driven :(

 

My girls, Bunches and Beatrice, were from a puppy mill.  Their personalities are sheer delight.  It never crossed my mind that I would be the clucky, lucky, giggling mum to two Pekingese :heart:  :heart:  :heart: 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Rebanne said:

Yet my parents had 3 Pekes and the only surgery needed was when one stabbed his eye on a rose bush. But they did have a pug who they got as an older dog from a breeder who needed entropion surgery. Breeder should have attended to before rehoming.

Some are sound, some are not.

A friend took on 2 Pekes when their owner died. I called them the fluffy slippers. But they were the toughest, happiest little dudes around. Sound and long lived. 

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I think Pekes are great little dogs. Pity they have a coat that needs grooming. My Mum, in the end, just got them clipped, but I always thought it took away a bit of what made them Pekingese.

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On 3/2/2022 at 12:05 PM, Loving my Oldies said:


 

What is the solution for many horrors perpetrated against dogs and other animals when Crufts has a BIS German Shepherd whose back elbows are almost on the ground and who can hardly walk properly and another year a Pekingese who could hardly breathe?  

When was the GSD @Loving my Oldies

edited- I think I have worked it out, and you either meant Westminster in the USA or the controversy over the GSD Best of Breed at Crufts in 2016. GSD have not gone BIS at Crufts for 50 years. 

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The Cavalier King Charles Spaniels were included because apparently they couldn't find any healthy specimens within the country that weren't affected by some kind of heart defect.

--Lhok

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It’s been coming for a long time. I’m surprised this kind of action isn’t more widespread around the world. Interesting that they’ve only selected two breeds.
 

Im not experienced with pekes and cavs, but as a life-long owner of pugs, and running a pug rescue, I can’t say I’ve ever seen a pug without some respiratory concerns out of the multitude I’ve had anything to do with. Eyes also, but not so prevalent as the breathing. 
 

Brachy or meso - all the same - the very fact it has a shortened respiratory system means it’s defective given the nature of the canine respiratory system, incl temperature control. 

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On 04/02/2022 at 7:59 PM, Lhok said:

The Cavalier King Charles Spaniels were included because apparently they couldn't find any healthy specimens within the country that weren't affected by some kind of heart defect.

--Lhok

That's what I assumed. Gorgeous dog, but heart and structural brain issues... I assume you'd outcross to cocker or Dutch spaniels? I know there's the King Charles, but they are worse with the airway.

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Lots more breeds need to be included and breeders need to stop exaggerating the conformation of their chosen breeds to the  nth degree.

Even whippets have changed so much in 20 years, and not for the better.

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I read somewhere that it wasn't a blanket ban on breeding those breeds, but that health tested (and cleared) dogs could still be bred with.  Hope that information was right, being a Cavalier owner.  :)  

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