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Hello, first post..

 

Wondering if anyone can help me understand why Australian breeders are seemingly so non-responsive to any forms of communication.

 

This might sound like an imminent self-entitled rant about everybody having to drop everything and answer my questions - not at all. I'm very patient and really only want to have a quick convo about whether there are any planned litters / surrendered dogs for sale etc. Speaking here about Akita breeders - both AA and JA variants. If breeder webpages, online listings, or Facebook etc were updated it'd most likely answer my questions 100% Most are out of date by at least a few years, the worst being 10 years.

 

When I bought my first dog 12 years ago nearly, I remember calling around different breeders and nearly couldn't get them off the phone lol.. times have certainly changed.

 

Has the "pandemic" had an impact on these breeding programs in general? I haven't found anything conclusive about that, but would be interested to know - or maybe some other issue has caused issues for breeders across Oz.. again just spitballing.

 

I understand they probably receive many enquiries - in my executive job I get upwards of 80 emails per day which I have to action in some way so I understand their stress in that regard. I don't have a dog kennel to manage but I do have a team of people to manage - my point being that we all have some type of burden on our time so whilst I understand, I don't really accept the excuse - for me it's a bit of a cop out, but I also understand not everybody wants to spend all day chasing up every last thing. I'm happy to wait a few days, or a week for a reply, I don't need instant gratification, but just a quick chat that resolves my enquiry at some point would do.

 

The closest I've come to contact with an Akita breeder has been someone's partner yelling half a hello down the phone and then taking my number and advising she'd call back when she's available. Never heard back. I don't like being a pest with repeated calls and attempts at getting in touch - if someone tries that with me i usually just block them.

 

Trying really hard not to be self-centred here, but it's getting pretty frustrating attempting contact after contact and getting literally nowhere. Finding an Akita on the Trading Post or other type of selling platform is pretty rare I have noticed, but given how incommunicative most of these breeders seemingly are it's becoming more the likely option - basically just create an ad alert and wait.

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You’re trained in some way for you’re executive role - yes? It’s likely you also undergo regular training in your field of expertise to support you.
 

Breeders don’t get any specific training in customer service, marketing, genetics or anything else really. They learn through experience mostly. 
 

I find it’s a similar thing with tradies. Great with their trade that they’ve been trained in but not all are good at communication, customer service, marketing or bookkeeping. 
 

I get your frustration. 5 years ago I underwent a similar process looking to buy 2 Burmese cats.

 

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Part of the issue is that many breeders are elderly and simply haven't kept up with the digital age therefore they aren't social media, email or internet savvy.

 

The amount of breeders who have no idea how to even set up a simple and generical "Thank you for your email ..." auto-reply is mind-blowing. It's certainly not difficult to set up something like the following if you aren't planning a litter in 2022: "Thank you for your email.  If you are enquiring about a puppy, please note that we/I am not planning a litter until early/late <insert date>.  We/I will still endeavor to reply to your email as soon as possible.  In the meantime, please feel free to tell us/me a little about yourself, lifestyle, current pets etc. if you haven't already."

 

And for those breeders who use an application form, have a link sent in the auto-reply too.  It honestly isn't hard and better than hearing nothing at all.

 

To use training as an excuse Anne simply isn't good enough.  If you're breeding puppies and selling to pet owners, it's your responsibility as a breeder to be approachable and accessible especially knowing you're going to be contacted by the general public.  Breeders are supposed to be the guardians of their breed/s and part of this includes promotion, education and discussion -- it's not just mating dogs and whelping litters.

 

I completely understand the OP's frustration because honestly, breaking into a super secret society would be easier than breaking the ice with some breeders who have put up impenetrable fortresses around them.

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I’m wondering if it might be helpful to contact the secretaries of your state and interstate Akita clubs. They may know of pups available or planned litters, and help get you in contact with breeders. I’ve seen reference to this on breed club websites.

 

I had to laugh at your website comment. My  ‘favourite’ are the ancient ones with flashing pixelated graphics and tinny music that is impossible to get rid of.  :scared::laugh:

 

Re Pandemic. I think a lot of breeders put their plans on hold. There was a big problem with on-sellers in particular. Plus transport issues, and concerns about the impact on socialisation. While there were ways to mitigate/avoid the latter, we’re certainly seeing an influx of former ‘pandemic puppies’ with behavioural and training issues.

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This is my first post. I am having the same issue.

No breeders replied my email. I didn't write a "How much is the dog" type of email. I gave my personal information. Include My home address, land size, parks around me, does the park have fence, my age, what dogs I've had in the past 20 years, multiple photos of my family with previous dogs, my kid's age.

 

I sent 3 emails to 3 breeders in last week, the first 2 are dogzonline listed breeders, they didn't reply. So I sent email to another breeder that I found on Google, and this one replied promptly, and he is a fraudster. Long story in short, we lost $2,500. We spent last 2 days to speaking with banks and file a CyberCrime report and local police report. My son is too young to understand, he still has the hope the puppy is delayed somewhere. I hope he remembers his first lesson about online fraudster.

 

The breeders can simply set an auto reply: "We are very busy, Only shortlisted candidates will be contacted".

or

"We don't have any puppy at this stage, please ask the other breeders".

or

"I am sorry to inform you that you are not qualified for having our puppies. ".

 

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Luke Lee said:

This is my first post. I am having the same issue.

No breeders replied my email. I didn't write a "How much is the dog" type of email. I gave my personal information. Include My home address, land size, parks around me, does the park have fence, my age, what dogs I've had in the past 20 years, multiple photos of my family with previous dogs, my kid's age.

 

I sent 3 emails to 3 breeders in last week, the first 2 are dogzonline listed breeders, they didn't reply. So I sent email to another breeder that I found on Google, and this one replied promptly, and he is a fraudster. Long story in short, we lost $2,500. We spent last 2 days to speaking with banks and file a CyberCrime report and local police report. My son is too young to understand, he still has the hope the puppy is delayed somewhere. I hope he remembers his first lesson about online fraudster.

 

The breeders can simply set an auto reply: "We are very busy, Only shortlisted candidates will be contacted".

or

"We don't have any puppy at this stage, please ask the other breeders".

or

"I am sorry to inform you that you are not qualified for having our puppies. ".

 

 

 

I'm so sorry to hear you got nutted by a scammer.  :(

 

I've had similar issues with breeders not bothering to reply - so now I totally rely on word of mouth and just call ones who are recommended, to touch base, see if they have pups or planned litters etc. That's about the best you can do in my opinion.

 

I would NOT reply on people being the secretary or member of any particular breed club ... I did that, and the puppy I purchased was gorgeously blindingly cute ...  but he went on to develop severe Hip dysplasia both sides, Elbow dysplasia both sides, Ectropian and Entropian both eyes, Spinal problems, jaw and teeth problems and THEN he developed epilepsy. I had to let him go and stop suffering.  His breeder was the secretary of his breed society for my home state! When I contacted her when his problems first started to surface, she established that I had not yet had him desexed and then offered me a new puppy for my dog - kinda like a trade in. :mad  I could not put him through surgery while he was already suffering and he could not ever mate with another dog anyhow - there were none he could get to. I do understand that *stuff* happens which you just can't foresee .... but my poor dog got the Octofecta! 

 

I do hope you get what you're looking for - but hope you also get LOTS of recommendations for your chosen breed!

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Sorry to hear about your dog.  Just curious was your dog on MR or LR.  And are you able to tell us what breed your dog was.

I have met dogs in my local park 6 mths old with elbow and hip dysplasia.  Usually Labradors or Golden Retrievers.  Dogs today seem to get more problems than the dogs we had as kids.

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10 hours ago, Deeds said:

Sorry to hear about your dog.  Just curious was your dog on MR or LR.  And are you able to tell us what breed your dog was.

I have met dogs in my local park 6 mths old with elbow and hip dysplasia.  Usually Labradors or Golden Retrievers.  Dogs today seem to get more problems than the dogs we had as kids.

 

 What does that have to do with the question asked ?

 

 

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Depending on when you emailed alot off breeders in NSW/Qld have suffered during the flooding ,many have over more important things to deal with at present from house,property & business damage .

Many have chosen not to breed during the covid period.Sending bitches East for matings became very hard,unrealiable & very expensive .Border Closures made it hard for some to travel to reproduction vets .

Even up to today being able to send dogs around Australia isnt as simple as 2 years ago & expensive which is a big factor with puppies being sent around Australia  & dogs being bumped off flights on the day ,i do now off puppies remaining with there breeders up to 16 weeks & in many cases puppy owners pulling out as the costs go up as the pup gets older to travel .It hasnt been easy for breeders & puppy owners getting frustrated because they want there pup know .

Most on DOL have No puppies listed so info is there .

The flipside is our ad is very specific about contact method but can guarantee most do exactly what we ask them not to do ,we have current info posted about no litters  with dates yet people email about puppies they want for this year .
The frustration works both ways .
And yes just sometimes we do forget to reply  so sometimes a follow up email is a good thing .

And yes we all have a life,on committees,do other things than just have puppies on shelves .

 

Absolutely some don’t update there info and it’s very easy to do but also respect what people have written .

 




 

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I found it all too hard to find a little dog, of any breed, from a proper breeder. So I got an oodle off gumtree. Simple process of meeting and picking a puppy. It was literally, ring up, meet and take the pup home the next day. I got my pick of pup, the colour and sex I wanted and for the price I was willing to pay. 

 

I had initially been interested in finding a show dog, after failing at finding a rescue, but it was truly too difficult for me before I had even found a dog (of any small breed). So I cant show this dog, but am already considering another because of the pure joy she brings to life. She loves being brushed and fussed on and I am delighted by her. Her breeding now doesnt matter to me. I'm just glad I found such a stunning little girl after years of wasting time doing it the "right" way. 

 

Goodluck in your search, I've discovered, you'll need it! 

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As a registered breeder I am very particular about replying to enquiries. However it may take me several weeks. We both work full time, I compete in dog sports with 2 dogs and I have an old dog and a puppy, both of which require a massive time commitment. I’m the President of a dog club and organise 5 trials a year plus support the admin of 5 others. I’m a member of 3 other clubs and I take classes in one, support trials in two and help fundraise in another. Breeding is not all I do. And yes, I provide a LOT of information on my website but it’s clear that 90% of people don’t read it. So it’s hard work sorting the wheat from the chaff. 

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