fifmac Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Hi, I'm moving to Perth from Sing soon with 2 smallish dogs. We use e-collars on them both. (We have been having constant lessons with the trainer who supplied us) Our dogs are very happy boys and I'm comfortable with using the collars, however I know some people aren't, are there any trainers in WA using them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna H Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 I train with an modern e-collar on my girl, and I'm in Perth.... I wouldn't say it is a common training tool over here, but I've never had any problems with the public. Anyone who has made a comment, I usually take the collar off and give them the chance to feel the stim on themselves.. they usually laugh at how low the stim really is. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplepulse Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 ChelseasMum, at what age (the dog) did you start training with the e-collar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna H Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Not that long ago actually... took me ages to save for it. Started using it when Chelsea was 18 months old (or thereabouts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifmac Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 (edited) Hi Chelseas Mum, They were both around 9 mths. In Singapore it's not unusual to have one to one training. We looked at a few classes and trainers, in the end the trainer we use came with his dog, demonstrated the collar, let us feel the stim etc. I really wasn't sure at all but we also went to see his group class and talked to a lot of owners there. He also let us try the collar for a week before we bought one, and we were really impressed. I was worried that the dogs personality would change, but that didn't happen. They wear their collars all of the time and have never seemed bothered, I'm really careful to look for skin irritation and have had no problems. If we want them to they will walk to heel, sit etc. but most of the time we just use the stim or page to get them to come back or if they're distrated by other dogs etc People are interested as the collars are quite obvious, so we spend a lot of time explaining what they are and how they should be used as many people presume they are just anti bark, or tracking devices. The most frequent comment is ''can I get one for my husband''? Edited November 12, 2005 by fifmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplepulse Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 The most frequent comment is ''can I get one for my husband''? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplepulse Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 My pup: Female 20 weeks German Shepherd X The good: Will sit, drop, roll over & high fives * WITH TREATS * Recall is excellent most of the time. (see the ugly) The bad: Pulls a bit on the lead. Shows no aggression, if a stranger was to walk through the side gate she would bark twice then start waging her tail. The ugly: Absolute lunatic when other dogs are around, RECALL ZILCH, just wants to play, zoomies all around the yard at 300 kph. Drives me NUTS!!! *Sorry to hijack the thread, didn’t want to start a new one* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Sounds like a normal 20 week old pup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplepulse Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Lots of people own “normal” dogs but I want more than that, so I will spend the time (& money if I have to) to achieve the best I can, with the dog I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterpaws Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Purplepulse you should contact K9 for advice. He is very good and will let you know the tools you need, especially if you want the best for your pup.... email support is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was supposed to send you an email re adobe and just haven't had two seconds to spare, sorry and thank you for your offer of help (slight hijiack - sorry all ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectraWoman Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Sorry, another hijack but... The bad: Pulls a bit on the lead. Shows no aggression purplepulse, do you want a protection dog? Or do you want your dog to be aggressive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna H Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 PP - K9 Force is the way to go if you wish to look further into these collars... he actually has a book on e-collars (via his website). Absolute bargain IMO, I got one of these before I bought the collar... gave me plenty of time to read it! EW - I think PP meant that his dog pulls on the lead, but without showing signs of aggresssion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplepulse Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 The bad: Purplepulse doesn’t express himself very well :{ The bad: Pulls a bit on the lead but with further training we will over come this. Shows no aggression should be…….. lacks natural aggression…… ummm ….. has temperament more like a kelpie…. Does that make sense? K9 Force: I have copied & printed lots of his posts. I wish I was armed with all this info 4 months ago but I cant turn back the clock so I will just have to try harder in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplepulse Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 (edited) purplepulse, do you want a protection dog? Or do you want your dog to be aggressive? I would like her to have more “voice” a bit of bluff, not lick intruders to death. It sounds like I’m disappointed with this pup but I’m not…. I’m enjoying her & enjoy training her. My daughter & I both look forward to dog training every Sunday morning. Edited November 12, 2005 by purplepulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powder puffs Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 You guys amuse me the way you justify using shock collars, ie "I felt it and couldn't believe how light the shock, (not that you use that term) was", "I only use it for specific problem training issues" and on and on you go. What I have noticed when I have seen people testing a shock collar, is the immediate reaction to pull your hand, arm or whatever area it is being tested on away! A shock device attached to a collar which is firmly fixed to the dogs neck, means the poor dog doesn't have the opportunity to pull away and has to bear the full intensity of the shock. The guys who use it perpetually for perfect sits, stays and downs, would probably be better off with one of the new robotic dogs, which would deliver a perfect reaction instantly. Where is the joy in owing a living animal if it has to be shocked into action instead of it offering you behaviours on cue. I don't have robot dogs, but I do have happy manageable companions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna H Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 PurplePulse - here is the link to the manual Training Manual Oh, and thanks for clearing up your previous post... I was a bit baffled as to what you meant as well. Powder Puff - As this thread is NOT about the pros & cons on e-collars... may I suggest you do a search for a previous thread that is on that subject. Save us all having to go back over it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 At 20 weeks you would want your pup to be friendly to people! Your dog is still a pup, still a baby, and with a stable temperament should not show aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 Powder Puff - As this thread is NOT about the pros & cons on e-collars... may I suggest you do a search for a previous thread that is on that subject. Well said, ChelseasMum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjk05 Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 I don't know about private trainers, but I think you'd be best not to take e-collars to club classes if you're thinking of joining any obedience/agility groups. Most of the clubs have moved over to reward-based training, and I imagine you'd be asked to remove e-collars before they'd let you train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna H Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 mjk05 - good point about training clubs... I cannot think of any over here who let you train with e-collars. You would have to continue training privately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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