rottiadora

The APBT breeder owned the Amstaff bitch in the situation I heard of Jed.

Hearsay....... or someones imagination maybe

Now there's talk on a public forum of falsifying papers ( they would have to be ANKC papers ) to prove to rangers that people own a certain breed. Now that really is fraudulant, but for Pit Bull owners, that doesn't seem to matter, it's just a means to an end, that threatens to dump every ANKC Bull Breed in the same basket.

Load of crap!

That is "Longcoats" talk. He/she seems to think getting ANKC papers is like buying a packet of cornflakes.

Besides, if people were to try and falsify ANKC papers, one rangers phonecall to the state body would soon fix that up.

while ever we can continue to distance ourselves from those dogs and generic brindle dog, we should be fine.

I love brindle SBT's

HAHAH i always thought you were joke doit4thedogz. Rottiadora just enforced it even more.

Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Still a tool though....

Atleast you're trying to make a stand on your argument. Not like others on the forum who are constantly contradicting themselves.

You ought to talk. You are the one who had an AmStaff that became a SBT.

Im talking about a stand on fighting BSL. Having an actual STAND is a topic people like you always avoid.

You're passing an AmStaff aka Pit Bull off as a Staffy. Is this your idea of a stand???

I can call my dog whatever I want. Are you gonna correct all those people who say staffy instead of staffordshire bull terrier. Awww have a cry now

And what i call my dog has sooOoo much to do with having a stand on BSL. What else do you want to talk about??? what I had for breakfast?

As a matter of fact it does.

You and those like you calling your Pit Bull (an AmStaff unreg with the ANKC) a SBT is a sure fire way toward BSL for them too.

First of all you dont know what breed of dog i own. Secondly i never called my dog a SBT. I said staffy, short for Staffordshire.

Actually you said both.

You said you owned an AmStaff in one of your early posts, then almost 2 years later you edited your post to Staffy.

Why was that??

http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...c=69193&hl=

You got caught out. Someone quoted you.

'doit4thedogz' Original version 19th Jul 2006

Hi everyone.

I bought a 12 week old male Amerian Staffy puppy 5 days ago. The problem is, he is a dominant little boy and my older female is also a dominant dog. I've tried to let them play around, sniff each other and work each other out. But it has now been 5 days and they still can't play and stay together withou problems. My female plays too rough with him, knocking him over, holding him down and now they have started mouthing each other.

'doit4thedogz' Edited version 9th jul 2008

Hi everyone.

I bought a 12 week old male Staffy puppy 5 days ago. The problem is, he is a dominant little boy and my older female is also a dominant dog. I've tried to let them play around, sniff each other and work each other out. But it has now been 5 days and they still can't play and stay together withou problems. My female plays too rough with him, knocking him over, holding him down and now they have started mouthing each other.

Atleast you're trying to make a stand on your argument. Not like others on the forum who are constantly contradicting themselves.

You ought to talk. You are the one who had an AmStaff that became a SBT.

Im talking about a stand on fighting BSL. Having an actual STAND is a topic people like you always avoid.

You're passing an AmStaff aka Pit Bull off as a Staffy. Is this your idea of a stand???

I can call my dog whatever I want. Are you gonna correct all those people who say staffy instead of staffordshire bull terrier. Awww have a cry now

And what i call my dog has sooOoo much to do with having a stand on BSL. What else do you want to talk about??? what I had for breakfast?

As a matter of fact it does.

You and those like you calling your Pit Bull (an AmStaff unreg with the ANKC) a SBT is a sure fire way toward BSL for them too.

Atleast you're trying to make a stand on your argument. Not like others on the forum who are constantly contradicting themselves.

You ought to talk. You are the one who had an AmStaff that became a SBT.

Im talking about a stand on fighting BSL. Having an actual STAND is a topic people like you always avoid.

You're passing an AmStaff aka Pit Bull off as a Staffy. Is this your idea of a stand???

Atleast you're trying to make a stand on your argument. Not like others on the forum who are constantly contradicting themselves.

You ought to talk. You are the one who had an AmStaff that became a SBT.

I always thought "game" meant "up for the any challenge" or "have an attempt with confidence".

Aloofness - Distant physically or emotionally; reserved and remote: stood apart with aloof dignity. adv. At a distance but within view; stood apart with aloof dignity

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/aloofness

They speak of lock jaw in the APBT which we know is incorrect as far as it's jaw structure goes, but where they hang on to finish the job regardless if someone kicks, punches, puts the hose on them etc etc to break up a fight, the "gameness" of the dog is what keeps the dog fighting on despite all attempts to stop it.

A ranger told me once that gameness in a dog if a fight erupts don't back off until the fight is over regardless what instigated the fight. A dog that isn't "game" can be easily stopped from fighting, a kick or punch, hosing them down, or even yelling at them will cause a retreat which the ranger I recall told me was the difference???. He also said that some dogs have a vision for threat removal where they will bite if challenged, but if the threat retreats, the job is done. Some which is often consistant with the APBT if a fight develops, they fight to the end and virtually nothing will stop them???.

He was totally wrong.

Good posts "Greytmate"

Which part is totally wrong rottiadore , most of what the ranger told me reflects the same as what Greytmate has told us???

A game dog "can" be handled and stopped from fighting whilst retaining a will to win because of their level head. That is one of the things looked for in a pit fighting dog. Nobody wants a dog that can't be stopped or controlled by a handler. Both dogs must be able to fight another day.

They speak of lock jaw in the APBT which we know is incorrect as far as it's jaw structure goes, but where they hang on to finish the job regardless if someone kicks, punches, puts the hose on them etc etc to break up a fight, the "gameness" of the dog is what keeps the dog fighting on despite all attempts to stop it.

A ranger told me once that gameness in a dog if a fight erupts don't back off until the fight is over regardless what instigated the fight. A dog that isn't "game" can be easily stopped from fighting, a kick or punch, hosing them down, or even yelling at them will cause a retreat which the ranger I recall told me was the difference???. He also said that some dogs have a vision for threat removal where they will bite if challenged, but if the threat retreats, the job is done. Some which is often consistant with the APBT if a fight develops, they fight to the end and virtually nothing will stop them???.

He was totally wrong.

Good posts "Greytmate"

doitforthedogs: How is your AmStaff boy doing? Does he still bother your older bitch?

The little fella must be at least 23kg by now.

Here's one for you "doitforthedogs"

rotiadora, id hate to say it but there would probably be a mix of apbt's in there somewhere. we all know since the american staff has graced our shores that uneducated people see them as the same thing and some pitbull breeders are selling or at least advertising their pups as amstaffs. and then obviously registering them too.

which is really not helping either breed is it .

Agreed

We all know that registering them as AmStaff with the council means little to nothing without the ANKC papers to back it up. In the eyes of the law anyway. People need to be educated about this.

If people want a Pit Bull, get an AmStaff from a registered breeder.

getting defensive kind of happens after years getting treated like a second class citizen because of what breed you own.

im still not sure if you are actually being serious here .

Answering questions with questions or avoiding them is getting nowhere.

pretty sure im over it.

no im not serious. and its seems youre not serious about it either.

Seriously doit4thedogz... What breed do you own?

Im talking about the breeds as wholes. Not rare individuals in both breeds.

Hunting with Staffies in Australia is more popular than you might think and gaining in popularity.

Very handy with foxes and rabbits.

What breed do you own?

It's a shame they are portrayed in such a negative way because the truth is Pit Bulls make great family dogs.

Doitforthedogz . What breed do you own?

Poodlefan, i realy do hope that you are right.

Sandra, i was talking about the people over here doing jack, not there but i do understand your point. There are plenty of Pitbull people doing lots of stuff out there but as the desirable type of owners are they are of the same %.

I just get sick of the same types of people going on about the same shit and it always comes back to "the pit people need to do this or that" its crap and its in no way constuctive and both parties end up hitting their heads against a wall, we are told to stop giving out the same argument, but then what is fired directly at us is no different either, just sounds like one party, is happy to sit on their side of the fence and give out advice but when it comes down to it they cant do anything constructive anyways.

Sbt, some could argue that if thats the case we should ban staffords aswell since they rate so high. Youd better change your bait and recast the fish dont seem to be biting.

chris, that was exactly Poodlefans point if you focus on breed.

If people are going to use the stats, then be careful that they can't be used against you.

If you say that there are no APBT's or PB's in the current NSW stats, then it could be argued that BSL is working as they are not on there and why not add other breeds to the list seeing as though BSL was a success when it came to Pit Bulls.

I'm a bit of a cynic . Bite stats seem to come and go over the years and are made public when it's convenient. I doubt we'd be seeing any of these stats ( except for a leak to a newspaper ) if there were APBT's or PB's featuring in them.

Strange that they site 103 AmStaff attacks. To the average person they must surely look like any other Pit Bull (obviously).

Or is public awareness of what an AmStaff is growing??

A total of 501 Staffy/Amstaff and crosses. That's a lot of PB's dressed up as something else.

and i think having ago at Tybrax about overturning bsl, is a punch below the belt, Tybrax has been involved in anti bsl stuff as long as ive been around the dogs and has been active in anti bsl stuff the whole time, and i will say confidently shes done more than anyone else here when it comes down to the crunch. so if you dont agree fine leave it there but joking about someone thats done more than you on the subject is just wrong.

Agree with that. Having a go at Tybrax was just bloody nasty. She deserves nothing but respect for all she's been through.

if you guys know the breed so well. jst think really hard to yourselves and be honest with yourselves and you'll know why the breed is where it is today.

Are you just here for a sh!t stir???

if you guys know the breed so well. jst think really hard to yourselves and be honest with yourselves and you'll know why the breed is where it is today.

What breed do you own?

Combined total of 501 staffy/amstaff types. WOW!

atleast you now admit that the apbt is no staffy.

But they do have a lot in common. Both in history and behaviour.

I have seen staffies that would equal an APBT when it comes dog/animal aggression and locking on (strength excluded).

Many staffy owners don the rose coloured glasses. They are prone to it too.

Anyone who truly knows and understands the staffy would not deny this.

Staffies are great little fighters and hunters

The British "brotha's" like the Staffy too. (the dog on the right)

The debate was between myslef and rottidora. and my point was made. Many people jumped aboard rottidoras boat and that is; denial.

No denial. No debate needed. I have stated in previous posts that they have to be watched with strange dogs and other animals. Their are exceptions, but mostly that is the rule with the APBT and AmStaff and to a lesser extent the SBT. So what?

I'm surprised you haven't picked on my beloved Rotties.

Did you know they rank consistantly high up in the attack per capita lists. Higher than Pit Bulls. But then so do many other breeds.

Like I said no denial here.

WHAT SORT OF BREED DO YOU OWN??? Be honest and up front.