lils mum

The problem is, it's really useless suggesting a person like this contacts the breed club, or visits shows, or does research. They get their mind set on course and go ahead, no matter what. All that happens is there's another half grown, untrained dog needing a home in the near future.

Not sure I agree. I know that there has been some success in deterring people like this by the HVCNSW

At least it's an attempt

I suggest that you have your friend contact the Hungarian Vizsla Club of NSW for an opportunity to get more information about the breed, breeders, etc. There is a comprehensive information pack that is sent out, and there is always someone willing to talk about how a Vizsla will fit their lifestyle (or not)

littleduck - there are unfortunately a LOT of breeders of HV's these days - a significant number of those who are unregistered and couldn't care less where they place their puppies. Even some of the registered ones are really not good.

This breed is currently the subject of overpopularity, over breeding, puppy farmers, and inappropriate placement. Working co-operatively, the HVC NSW & HVC V rehome a growing number of dogs each year - more than 20 last year and so many more very young dogs. There are calls for help from people with Vizsla puppies not yet 4 months old - 'I can't cope'

so maybe you can get your friend to get in touch and get some 'information on breeders' - it will be so much more.

I wasn't planning to buy into this, but thought that it's probably worth mentioning that I too have had great success with a very sick dog when using 'golden nuggets' from Hills. Several years ago my dog had fulminating liver failure of unknown origin. She was losing weight at the rate of knots, and nothing was palatable for more than a day.

Surgery to find a diagnosis was out of the question due to her rapidly failing health - I didn't want to kill her with surgery when her platelets were so diminished, etc.

I tried Hills L/D - now, I'm a raw feeding owner - always. but I was desperate.

My old girl found that palatable, and she improved immensely - I also used alternative additions such as milk thistle and SAMe. She lived an apparently healthy and normal life for another two years, when once again she started to show signs of inappetance and we found a very large tumour on her liver with u/s.

So - not a commercial feeder at all. But would not ever say it's not worth a try for certain situations. I believe that the L/D was part of the extra 2 years we had with that wonderful old girl.

I left mine carefully at the back of my car yesterday, and reversed over it

Anyone seen a good deal on them?

http://www.mollymutt.com.au/collections/crate-covers

Exxy, but nice

I am aware of a 13 month old dog with hydrocephalus. He has seizures, and he has brain damage due to pressure on his brain from excess fluid causing it to be compressed and 'shrink'. He also has unpredictable behaviours due to the brain damage.

Thanks so muh!

Could you tell me numbers for GSPs, Goldens, Gordon's, Hungarian Vizslas on Sat please?

Anyone got numbers for Canberra?

and for Vizslas -

www.gundogpedigrees.com

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Deleted response as agree it has nothing to do with this topic

I knew I had left myself wide open.

Being in hurry I pressed send & then gave it some throught as I was cruising to my appontment.

I don't believe editing after replies have been posted.

I was miles off the mark. Lesson learned.

Curious though, Genuine question.how did you young dog hurt his tail so badly it may have to been amputated?

Cynical question, are the amputations usually performed at the same vertebrae the breed was previously docked at.

I'm glad that you've got some more information in your toolkit about other breeds/groups, their purpose and history.

FWIW, in 2009, the Hungarian Vizsla Club of NSW conducted a health survey. This covered all aspects of health, and if anyone is interested the correlated report can be seen on the club's website www.vizsla.org.au

Now, it's not a huge sample size, and the club doesn't necessarily have access to all Vizsla owners, but of the 229 dogs for which questionnaires were completed, 88 dogs were born following implementation of the ban, and 9 (10%) recorded tail injury as a problem. Just what percentage of those went on to amputation, I don't know.

For me, though I am probalby what could be considered 'pro docking' (I always say that if neonatal docking were the very worst thing people ever did to dogs, we'd be in a far better place!) , I think that fight is probably long dead. However the issue of this motion was the uninformed and show -centric perspective. 'Exhibition' was taken quite literally by many, excluding consideration of working/trial venues.

Where is therapeutic amputation performed - ie, what level of the tail? Where it is therapeutic I would imagine - it's performed by a vet after all. It would vary according to the site and severity of the injury in the individual dog.

However, we do know of a number of dogs where (?)overly conservative treatment was the initial choice, and after months of attempting to heal the splits/damage, dogs were frequently subjected to inadequate initial amputation, requiring a second surgery due to failure to heal. The longer the injury is in place and fails to heal, the further the extent of damage to surrounding tissues. Circulation can become impaired within the indurated tissue and chronic low grade infection can also be present. consequently, a number of these dogs have required amputation of significantly more tail than would traditionally docked.

More than one vet has expressed the opinion to the owners that had they realised the traumatic and prolonged potential for tail injuries, they would have been far less opposed to tail docking.

It should also be considered that most vets don't have a lot of some particular breeds in their practice demographic - they may only ever see one or two tail injuries, perhaps none.

As there is no centralised data collection of this issue, it's basically impossible to know the full extent of the problem within the pet/companion/working/showing combined community.

Regardless, the motion that has created the flurry of discussion was a poor one.

I've been mulling over that, too.

What if, say, a Golden Retriever (first breed with a lovely long tail that popped into my head) damaged its tail and had to have it docked...would it be allowed to be shown?

had that regulation been passed, as I read it , no.

Same for situations like the promising Vizsla bitch mentioned in a previous post. If she were born after July 1 2014,and needed her tail amputated she could also not be trialled in Agility, Rally, Obedience, Field, Retrieving Trials etc.

or any other dog with a legitimately therapeutically docked tail

Sure there may be a problem but this was never the right solution

ETA what I find very disturbing is that anyone who should be thinking about all collateral damage ever thought it was.

.....Gee...sue me....or should I say soo me? one spelling slip compared to how many in the OP? jeeze...(is that how you spell that?)

The POINT BEING.....a letter lobbying a major organization with such issues.....reminds me of the many overseas scams starting with "I am the wife of recently murdered king blah, blah

I think as people have mentioned previously this is apparently a scanned document, with some words corrupted in the scanning process.

The issue however is 'the issue' rather than the presentation surely?

I remain concerned that there is no requirement/obligation for individual delegates to represent their board's decision at the ANKC meeting

As the motion is an electronic one, there won't be a meeting to decide its outcome.

And this in itself is a significant problem! My comment above does not refer only to this motion, but to any motion whereby delegates may elect to lodge personal votes rather opinions representative of the body they are meant to be representing.

A few pages ago I posted that the dogsNSW vote is Wednesday and contact info for directors. Certainly it didn't take more than 10 minutes for me to write a message stating my views AND get a reply. My suggestion is people actually DO start being proactive and speak to the board members if they want their view heard. People DO have the chance to be heard. But to do it they need to talk to the people they want to listen!

I did the same but certainly have only received a response from a few of those DogsNSW representatives, and a curt response from one when I asked again for their stance rather than a politically correct and totally non-informative response....

I remain concerned that there is no requirement/obligation for individual delegates to represent their board's decision at the ANKC meeting

Megan,

It is NOT illegal to dock dogs in this country for theraputic purposes. Therefore it is possible for dogs bred in this country to have a docked tail, either done as a neonate or as an adult and for the procedure to comply with the law.

Please be aware of the FACT !!!

Edit for spelling.

There's theraputic and then there's snipping a bit of the dog's tail off to get a better set in the show ring, which is what the motion is about.

No that's not all that its about. That may well be the impetus, but it certainly wil not be all that is impacted. I'm astounded that people are stuck on conversations about imports. This will also have an effect on those dogs ** legally and therapeutically** treated by tail amputation BY a vet and who are owned by dog sport competitors.

I own a traditionally docked breed - Hungarian Vizsla. Quite a number of Vizslas have had tails amputated following injury since implementation of the docking ban/legislation. These dogs have primarily been companion dogs, and the owners have no slant on docking. The introduction of this proposal would see these dogs unable to compete in any ANKC sanctioned event - field/retrieving trials, agility, obedience, rally, etc. What a farce!

Moving off the alliteration...

A Flurry of Vizslas

I think that the breeder and the breed club have given this owner lots of information on the needs of an active gundog breed.

I saw what I thought was a Y with tan points. Looked exactly (and acted) like a Weimaraner but had very light tanny/grey points. Not really noticeable unless you looked but definately there. They bought from a pet shop in north Bris about a year ago and were told it was a W cross staffy. They said the mother was a Y, and had a photo of her on the cage. Were told the breeder thinks a staff jumped the fence. I commented that it may be a dobe cross and no staffy traits were noticeable. I wonder if it was from a breeder who didn't want to be known to be breeding tan points??? God, it was a beautiful dog. But I am a fan of the look of a Y.

Given that there have been Vizsla x Staffy's advertised in Qld in the past 18 months, that might have been what you saw?

As I said on the other thread, the partis and phantoms can be registered in the UK and as we don't have any disqualifying faults, such a colour could be shown (although not likely to place as it has a non recognised colour)

...........

What I can find that UK breed standard for Standard Poodles says "Colour

All solid colours. White and creams to have black nose, lips and eye rims, black toenails desirable. Browns to have dark amber eyes, dark liver nose, lips, eye rims and toenails. Apricots and reds to have dark eyes with black points or deep amber eyes with liver points. Blacks, silvers and blues to have black nose, lips, eye rims and toenails. Creams, apricots, reds, browns, silvers and blues may show varying shades of the same colour up to 18 months. Clear colours preferred. Non solid colours are highly undesirable and should be heavily penalised.

And this

Acceptable Colours for Registrations

Apricot

Black

Blue

Brown

Cream

Red

Silver

White

I think that he is very entertaining, preaches from the right hymn book for me ie +ve R, but I also think it depends on just where you're at with your own training/ behavioural journey.

And Steve, not all breeds have a breed club. Are you suggesting breeds can only survive if there is one? I'll point out that not all breeds have the numbers to have a club. Even if they did, there's little to attract the average pet owner, particularly for those outside capital cities. I can't imagine someone in Broken Hill travelling to a breed day that's held in Sydney.

It's not only 'breed days' that help owners be involved. Great newsletters can help - make members feel part of the community, ensure that the picture is about everything that can be done with that breed of dog - including family companionship.

It depends a lot on the committee and the people who are prepared to work tirelessly for the breed, not themselves IMHO

I know one of the NSW gundog breed specialty clubs has almost 300 memberships, 40% of those are interstate....

The puppy class at Bowral Vet is run by a very competent person (sorry, can't remember her name - might be Karen) but if he's too old for puppy classes, Southern Highlnds DTC runs classes in Berrima on Monday nights AFAIK