Choppa Chop

That is pretty cool

And when put in that light Monelite , amongst other many contributing factors , well then yes it can be understood.

However , when worked through and stripped down I would be very surprised that one could draw an assumption between sleeping on the bed and recall .

I didnt draw this assumption, perhaps you read more into what I have written?

But re my example , one dog with slight dominance issues . Fantastic recall.

One very submissive dog . No recall to speak of.

So how would one work from that concept?

Ill do a shot in the dark, pure theory potential explanation here. This is not to say this is how it is.

Training asside, what dogs find rewarding asside. The dominant dog treats you as a pack leader, the submissive dog treats the dominant dog as the pack leader.

Perhaps I did Monelite .

It was just your first statement is all and it seemed clear cut until you added the further defining factors.

Your theory shot is one well worth considering and is something one could take away,study and learn from.

This was all I was asking , a genuine question.

Thankyou.

Well yes , pack structure re owner/dog situation naturaly.

But re my example , one dog with slight dominance issues . Fantastic recall.

One very submissive dog . No recall to speak of.

So how would one work from that concept?

And when put in that light Monelite , amongst other many contributing factors , well then yes it can be understood.

However , when worked through and stripped down I would be very surprised that one could draw an assumption between sleeping on the bed and recall .

Are you drawing an assumption between sleeping on beds to recall?

Yep. Lack of correct pack structure can be attributing to lack of recall. Sleeping on the bed and demanding attention can be a sign of incorrect pack structure.

Well obviously I disagree with that assumption but it's certainly an interesting concept.

In what way could the infrastructure of 'pack order' affect a recall?

Genuine question.

For example , lowest pack order still no recall,highest pack oredr/slight dominance issues but fantastic recall.

Where would one begin to look for the 'glitch' so to speak.

Gizmo sleeping on my bed has NO negative consequences

How do you know? Perhaps its the reason you cant get a reliable recall....

I need an e-collar for when I start protection work (unless you are the first person I've come across to use only +ve methods to protection train a dog) and I figured since I am in Sydney it is a perfect time to obtain one.

There are plenty of people that use positive methods and never put an ecollar on the dog and they do protection work. Try googling Uta Bindles as the first example that comes to mind.

I also believe the only way to get a reliable off leash long distance recall is with an e-collar. A view many of the top trainers share, but that's a discussion for another day.

Where I have nothing against an ecollar when its used correctly and belive strongly that its a great training tool, I belive also that it is possible to get a very reliable recall without this particular tool. And plenty of people have achieved that.

Come again ?

Are you drawing an assumption between sleeping on beds to recall?

How old is he Midol ?

Sorry , you've probably said but I don't know alot about Gismo .

I don't see this as particularly dominant behaviour.

Yes he may be getting to choose ,but choose what exactly?

Just that he wishes to now feel a little closer and sleep with his head in your hand ?

I think he's fine.

All of our dogs are allowed to sleep on the bed , the youngest must be up with her head between ours . It's a security thing for her , it's certainly not dominance.

Choppa:

I should never of let you leave.....

Why? What happened?

He'd only been in his new home for a couple of weeks , I was nearly going to keep him as well as CJ :D

It was a dog attack , he went of cardiac arrest whilst in surgery :p

Just so bloody unfair :p

Thankyou guys for the support and warm wishes , much appreciated.

Certainly didn't expect them again so soon .

Oh Ellz and Family

Huge hugs heading your way tonight .

RIP Tig :rolleyes:

You were just too good for this world little man :rolleyes:

Tell Dad we still love and miss him very much , I'm sure he'll show you around when you get there.

I have an extra reason to hurry to the Bridge now...both of my men are waiting for me .

First one born , first one to leave .

Too soon....far too soon........

I should never of let you leave..... :p

I know my words wont fill that hole but my thoughts will lend you strength

I buy from Leonards and have never had a drama or a dog turn their nose up .

What does your Amstaff think of the kitten ?

Hugs to you all BnB.... :rolleyes:

Blitz had you for the last important part of his life.

He knew a family , he knew warmth , he knew fresh water and food and above all he knew real love and dedication.

Stay strong sweety and give Shae an extra cuddle from me .

Go and play free from all drama now Blitz man

Oh Warls so sorry ,hugs to all :D

Go get em Houndee

Oh god I can't believe I missed this as well

So , so very sorry .

RIP Ferg

So sorry

Go hard now son

Hey I answered you inbreeders :p

Thanks so much Bommy :D

Thanks guys

It's an abort/desex I was asking about. Sorry , perhaps should of clarified .

Thanks for that Haven

No-one wanted to touch it in Breeders either .

As topic title .

Wasn't sure if it should go here or Breeders so as a safe bet went here.

What would be the latest you could/would safely abort a litter.

RIP Scruff

Oh BT :D

Know that I am there in heart if not in body . I know that ache and I wish I could ease it for you.

Go now Jimmy and rest easy

Our sincerest thanks go out to all of you .

He touched many in his short life. His goofy smile won over the most hardened of hearts and made fans wherever he went.

He will long be remembered and forever loved .

Our life will never be the same without him but is far richer for having known him .

The Choppa Dogs Family

From myself Shane and both boys we'd like to say thankyou for your well wishes and thoughts.

He was that a one in a million .

Nothing seems quite right now .

A piece of us has gone with him and it can never be replaced , such a large gaping , achingly empty space where once the doofus dwelled .

The tears flow freely here tonight and sleep is a hard to thing to come by .

Except for a little boy who sobbed himself to sleep .....

And begged for his best friend back just once more , for one last hug .

The world is a little less bright without you in it Chop Chop .

And the most heartfelt , very special thankyou to Terrorbull . I could not of got through this afternoon without you .

And to Tybrax who is my shoulder whenever I need to lean .

eta ; please forgive me if I do not answer emails or pm's straight away .