snobbybobby

A vested interest in selling shock collars/prong collars because the trainers are so impotent!

IT'S CALLED A QUICK FIX!!!

Now you're REALLY showing up your lack of knowledge.

If this forum is aimed at the general public as I know it is, I feel so worried about the dogs welfare. THERE ARE 14 & 15 YEAR OLD KIDS INFLUENCED BY YOUR RHETORIC

DO YOU LOT, HONESTLY, WORRY ABOUT WHAT "JOE PUBLIC" THINKS???

You "pack of prats" !

I have the feeling that I would avoid the lot of you in my quest for a "peaceful pack";

I came to this forum wanting to learn and, quickly, found out that even those I could have respected, were influenced by commercial interests.[]

A vested interest in what? The dogs? Don't we all?

A vested interest in selling shock collars/prong collars because the trainers are so impotent!

IT'S CALLED A QUICK FIX!!!

look at the qualifications of the people on this forum who advocate the use of prongs and "shock", to those who dont....

edit for typo

I'm looking and only seem to find a "@#$%^%" who has a vested interest. Most of the "evidence" presented is a mangled lot of nonsense.

The animals a break!

Does anybody who advocates these methods have any idea about how dogs learn?

You really should read all the posts on here then you might actually answer that yourself.

Don 't you worry! I read them all and get the feeling that everyone is "under the influence" of marketing forces.

What a sad lot you all are! I feel even sadder for the dogs you deal with.

Every time I log on to this forum I am confronted with yet another attempt at justifying the use of force on dogs.

Does anybody who advocates these methods have any idea about how dogs learn?

I very much doubt it.

i too agree that the prong collars arent as affective as positive training.

Your 21 year experience obviously excluded combining of the use of a collar WITH positive training.

Perhaps this is why you didnt have a lot of success

Do you have any idea what behavioural training (aka positive reinforcement) is all about???

But what ever you choose you will have to go back to the start and re educate her on where to potty.

Why try to "educate" an animal which knows better than we all do!

As I said before - dogs will not use the place they sleep to defaecate. It's as simple as that!

When will humans learn that our canine friends know better than us? :D

We have to learn to fit into their lifestyle just as much as they do ours!

I want to teach my dog (silky terrier) to use a litter tray. For several reasons, the main being that she is an inside dog by nature, and when she is left outside she gets lonely and starts to cry despite having toys and bones to keep her occupied. Also, she is getting on in years (14!) and our yard has no shade at all, and I certainly do not want to be leaving her outside in the upcoming sweltering summer temperatures. So I want her to have somewhere else to relieve herself if she needs to, other than on my carpets.

Hi,

Although it seems a little bit late, have you ever thought or, found out, that dogs never foul their bedding?? Even dogs bred in cages tend to "poo through their cage". My dog does that in the park if ever he seems to know I'm chasing him with a "pooperscoopa". he finds a cyclone fence to "poo through"

Make him a spot in the laundry using a playpen type enclosure (easily purchased from Petsheds) - don't go to "hell fer pets" they are only interested in profiteering. You need to have bedding/bones/Kongs/etc., at one end and paper/litter/whatever at the other.

I started my boy off this way as a puppy and he has never soiled the house but still exhibits the above learned behaviour from pre-adoption in the park.

Hope this helps!

were could i get a clicker from???

Try www.blackdog.net.au/

Warren Townsend of Blackdog supplies clickers. Blackdog is a Victorian company and their dog supplies are brilliant.

Iv'e just scored my self two clicker stalkers

Check out my thread whats a click? as there are a few clicker links listed in there.

Clickers are used as markers.

They are part of a whole philosophy of dog training based on behavioural science.

Take a look at the Yahoo list - Clickersolutions. - before you laugh it off compoletely!!!

Iv'e just scored my self two clicker stalkers

Check out my thread whats a click? as there are a few clicker links listed in there.

Iv'e just scored my self two clicker stalkers

Check out my thread whats a click? as there are a few clicker links listed in there.

I make my own using liver, eggs and garlic.

The dogs love it and, if used only for special treats, work really well for it.

This way I know the ingredients that are in the treats are all fresh and suitable for the dog.

snobby i know what you mean some clubs get so caught up in politics they cant see what they are losing out on the thing im always trying to impress at our club is that everyone has somehting to offer and if we treat people with an open welcoming attitude it is surprising what they will bring to the table.

Thanx for the reply but I've been bitten once too often!!!

In other words, why bother?

color=#000000]STUFFEM!!![/color]

That is exactly me. I'm not Instructor material. I never winged. I went to every meeting on a different night to Obedience. I paid me fees each week. Wouldn't have to have if I'd taken on the role of Instructor, BUT I don't think people should have to pay money to be taught Obedience by a crappy instructor, ala me!

Hi all,

I was also asked by a club to "do the instructors course". I didn't think I was instructor material but had some ideas about positive reinforcement to pass on. I also paid my fees and went along to help "set up" and "clean away" at the end of all of the sessions. None of that was acknowledged, or appreciated but I was criticized for having a "shrieking dog".

(my dog usually "announced his arrival but soon settled down". His critics were owners of the same breed who, IMHO, were extremely envious of his looks, intelligence and obedience ability.)

The dog world makes me "sick". I know that I'm being "paranoid" BUT!???

I considered that I had passed on some not only good ideas but also a lot of material such as videos and books.

The club, which shall remain unidentified, chose to keep all the stuff I had donated and "spit" on my contributions.

Stuffem!!!

[quote name=wheres my rock' date='12th Oct 2006 - 07:24 AM' for me dog trianing is about challenging myself im always trying new things and experimenting to find what works best for me. at the moment i ave a fox terrier pup that is very independent had no socialisation we got her at 16 weeks and was still running wit litter mates in a kennel only human contact was when she was fed. this has oened a whole new set of problems

im aiming to eventually have several breeds from each ankc group to the highest level i can in obedience tracking and what ever else they can do heidi the foxie will be doing earthdog forinstance im a big beleiver in giving dogs oulets to use there natural desire.post='1291869]

Good luck! You are obviously very committed! Congratulations on "taking on the foxy"!

What has happened to the Sheltie, B.C., and Cocker that you had in the past few years??

Does anyone know of any good training clubs in melbourne? Or where do you go (in melbourne) and what do you think of that club?

Take a look under trainers on the K9events site mentioned in the clicker training thread.

It depends where you live but there is Sherbrooke Obedience Dog Club at Belgrave and, on the other side of the city Keilor Obedience Dog Club. There's also Hastings Obedience Club on the Mornington Peninsula.

Lots of clubs these days are going away from J&P methods though you just have to look around

I guess I will be leaving the physio debate, cold or hot, as its totally off topic. and all you are trying to do is to

Well then, do you have an answer??? Are dog nervous systems any different to our own?

Because you are using nerve stimuli without saying how!!!

Just to add I have tried the anti barking collar on my neck - the output of that is aprox 50 times stonger than the ecollar.

Im still alive

Well, you should be because citronella isn't harmful to humans or canines,

On the other hand - an electric shock delivered to the wrong area or the body can be harmful!

You state that, as a physiotherapist, you have seen tens machines work against painful stimuli!

Goodee!!!

Have you seen the same machines "work" on other nerves???

You leave me cold as a physio!!!

from memory citronella plants can be poisionous to dogs if they eat it and some dogs can have an allergic reaction to citronella oil from the sprays.

kind of off topic :D

Still doesn't really answer my question!

P'haps I didn't pose it properly )

Which is more noxious to the dog and which is more likely to cause the dog to change tack??

A Dog receiving an electric shock or a noxious smell???

The electric shock is via the neck of the animal and would be equal to the same sensation should a human apply the shock collar to his/her own neck and not a wrist as some would want.

Just my humble question!

I was told once by someone who had a vested interest in e-collars that Citronella collars were poisonous???

I want to know where that information came from.

K9: lol, your not IN Victoria,,,

At least in Vic. we haven't got a commercial barrow to push!

I play a game with my Rottweiler Daegon, it's the towel game. He has one special towel that he's allowed to run at and grab and tug at a bit before I release it for him. He lurrrrves it. After he's 'won' the towel he gives it a really hard shake, he's done this at 8 1/2 weeks old as well. Then after he's 'killed' it he keeps hold of it in his mouth and comes and stands next to me with it and sometimes shoves it back at me as if to say "again mum, again!"

I use it as a motivator to get him up and excited about something (as well as the famous broom bashing game ). He gets really revved up about it and just loves working in that kind of way.

So, just wondering if there's anything to it in the way of drive, or his possible work potential?

Can't answer your query 'cos I've got dogs that aren't in a Rotty's league - sizewise

I've got a query though!

Is this what the Labs that are drug detection dogs get to do once they've indicated their suspicions??? I was watching Border Patrol on TV last night and noticed a towel object they got as a reward after indicating a possible drug haul.

Just a query!

What do you mean by "inteligent" or "smart"?

Different breeds were originally bred with differnt tasks in mind. Working dogs to work stock, terriers to dig,hunt,hold, sighthounds to run and hunt, toys breeds for lap dog companions etc etc.

:rolleyes: I agree wholeheartedly!

Does anyone know if check chains are a no-no at this particular club? The lady at the RSPCA where I adopted Lilly from said some obedience clubs don't let you use them. Would a halter be a safer bet? Any tips on what to bring, what not to do etc would be good because I've never been to one of these clubs before. Thanks for any help you can give me ;)

If I was you, I would just front up with your dog on a flat collar and take it from there.

Less and less clubs, hopefully, are discontinuing the use of choker chains. I don't know the specific policies of Berwick though. Enjoy your training!