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Thanks for all your advice guys. He hasn't had an episode in nearly 2 weeks now so we will continue with the lower protein diet and try to reduce his growth rate.

Has he just had a growth spurt by any chance?

T.

He is constantly growing and I have noticed over the last few weeks he seems to have grown quite a lot in length. We have to adjust his harness every two weeks to accommodate the growth. It is hard to see really when we are looking at him every day but people do comment how much he is growing. Hoping this is just growing pains.

We managed it by acupuncture and had a wonderful vet who did trigger point therapy.

We found that anti inflammatories had no effect as it essentially a muscular problem.

Just reread your post. I' m just wondering whether when he was rushed by the dog it might have caused a soft tissue injury which has now tightened up and is spasming.

I'll bring this up with my vet next appointment. Maybe we will xray those hips to be sure. Our vet does acupuncture so we'll discuss everything next time. Thank you so much for sharing.

Too much protein in his diet - that small proportion of kibble isn't balancing anything. He also doesn't need any more NSAIDs before he DOES to damage to the joint. Let him hurt it will make him stop using it and acting like a loon.

I would get a chiro to have a good look - you've done the x-ray and he's fine so assume between putting himself out skeletally and pano with a high protein diet and what breeds he possibly is.

You need to balance that diet a little. Get yourself a GOOD multivitamin something like the VAN Health Booster or Sprinter Gold whelp and grow, add it to his meals and add some fiber. Chuck the Advanced. If you want to go whole hog at least during this stage get something like the VAN mix or cook up some vegetables for him to decrease the pure protein portion of his meals it's way too high. Remember with 'raw' diets that mimic the 'wild' diet a lot of what a dog eats is not that good or digestible. They dont eat brisket, legs, etc every day. It's too much.

Thanks Nehk. I'll get onto the VAN Booster straight away. He was only on NSAIDs for the first week and we all agreed they were doing him no good but possibly just masking his pain. Veggies sound like a good idea. I'll ditch the Advance, was just trying to add a bit more for balance. I'll re-do my learning Thank you!

I just want to clarify, our two other large/giant dogs were raised on this same diet and they have had no health or growth dramas whatsoever. They only get the brisket and lamb head once a week to chew on.

My boy had panosteitis when he was young. His pain episodes could start without and trigger and he did grow out of it. He had X-rays done and diagnosis was made by a specialist.

Hi boxer, does my boy's episodes sound like your boy with the crying and shaking? How did they make the diagnosis? Just rule out other possibilities? I suspect our next vet visit will result in a specialist referral. I do hope it is Pano rather than anything more serious. Thank you.

Our rescue pup Kane is about 6 months old now. He was rescued from the street, owners let him roam and he was scavenging for food to survive. He was not getting any food at home. He weighed 10kgs at about 3 months old, he was skin and bone. He doubled his weight with us to 20kgs in six weeks. He is now 27kgs and still growing slowly. He looks to be a Wolfhound x Bull Terrier.

Kane is fed a diet of chicken wings, ox heart and lamb hearts (fat removed), lambs heads, brisket bones, sardines, eggs and Advance large puppy. The kibble makes up a small percentage of this diet, I feed it to ensure he is getting a complete diet. Due to his early life circumstances, it is possible we have overfed him hence grown too quickly however he is not a chubby dog, he is very lean. He is a lanky pup and has always had a funny gait. He looks like his mother could have been a goat. He's a very strange looking dog with with an unco body and he is all legs.

About 4 weeks ago, Kane started having a problem with his right shoulder. At first we thought he had bumped it playing roughly with our other dogs, bumped into a doorway or maybe just slept on it funny. He was having these funny pain episodes where he would suddenly start crying out in pain, shaking, panting, and favour the right leg. The whimpering and shaking would last up to 30 minutes then he would return to normal. This happened three days in a row. We didn't see what set him off, just heard the commotion and went to investigate. The next time it happened, he had just come into bed with me, snuggled down under the covers and going to sleep. He was not moving at all, I didn't bump or move him, he just cried out in pain, got out of the bed and limped away, shaking and crying.

I took him to our vet straight away. By the time we got there, he was over the episode. The vet checked him from the paws up, manipulating the joints to try and get a reaction. Kane reacted strongly when his shoulder was brought forward. On subsequent visits, the vet has not been able to recreate the pain reaction.

At first it was treated as a sports injury from possible rough play. He was given NSAIDs for the week and strict rest. I kept him away from the other dogs when they were running and playing and he did not get taken for any walks. I had him sleeping in the spare room with me so he couldn't romp around with the others in the night.

Despite the meds and rest, he continued to have these episodes once a day, every day for the week. I have not been able to find a patten with time, activity etc. He will be laying down, doing nothing then suddenly go into the crying, shaking, panting, walking around limping. He holds the leg out from his body to the side, not forward or under. It never lasts more than 30 minutes.

Back to the vet, we had xrays taken of the shoulder and elbow for suspected OCD (osteochondritis dissecans). The xray was sent to a specialist for another opinion and both vets believe the humeral head and surrounds look perfectly fine. There were some unclear lines at the elbow but the specialist said this is to be expected in a young, growing large breed dog.

Our vet also suggested nerve entrapment but we cannot tell without laparoscopic exploration. Kane was then put on 20mg of Macrolone for seven days, then two days off with strict rest. The following week saw less episodes but it was still occurring sporadically. We have never seen it happen more than once a day. The longest we have gone without an episode (or perhaps we missed it) was six days.

We were back at the vet again when the medication ran out. The vet manipulated the shoulder again but was not able to get any negative response. He suggested we try upping the medication slightly as it appears the episodes are dropping away slowly. Kane is now having 30mg Macrolone. It has been 6 days on the higher dose and he is still having these pain episodes. Today he had one at Kepala. He was laying on the ground in the shade resting, suddenly jumped up crying and whining, limping on the leg then settled back down.

Probably totally unrelated, a few weeks before this started, he was rushed by a large dog at the park and knocked over and pinned. He cried and limped (back right leg) and we got him to the vet. He was quite aggressive when touched on either of the back legs although he was only favouring the right. Xrays showed no problems. The next day he was 100% recovered.

Has anyone encountered anything like this? Sporadic pain without an obvious trigger? Something a DOLer suggested to me was Panosteitis. I'll be taking any suggestions to my vet in one weeks time. We don't want to have to open him up if we don't have to but we really want to get to the bottom of it. It's breaking my heart seeing the little guy crying and shaking in pain even though it is fairly short lived. We want to get this fixed now before it becomes worse.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. We are open to any sort of treatments, just want to know why it is happening first. Our vet does do acupuncture.

Kane is the smaller dog sitting on the new grass (which they have since destroyed)

We should be in! Might try to drag the little niece too as I think I might be babysitting that day. Will have to pop her in a bubble suit or something haha.

YAY! Bronson will be stoked his boyfriend is coming along. And I looove your potato salad

We haven't been to Kepala in years so I have a few questions!

Are undesexed dogs allowed to come along? My best friend has a whippet that would die for a zoom around but he's still got his danglies.

Is there generally a mix of different sized and aged dogs? We've got a bunch ranging from 1 - 11 haha.

Aaaand is it ok if I bring vegan food because I am vegan and I will make something delicious that everyone can eat.

If so...

List of dogs

Snout Girl- Bert, Sally, Bruce and Poppy (and an OH)

deadsheep and OH - Bronson, Cassie, Kane

Panzer and friend - Scooter, Myf, Tucker & Arrow

List of food

Snout Girl- Something vego, meatballs, tomato sauce

deadsheep - soft drink, chicken skewers

Panzer - salad + cake

Arrow will be fine. Generally everyone is desexed and any girls on heat wouldn't be coming.

There will be pugs to bull arabs so lots of sizes and ages to play with.

Vegans are not welcome Emma :laugh:

List of dogs

Snout Girl- Bert, Sally, Bruce and Poppy (and an OH)

deadsheep and OH - Bronson, Cassie, Kane

List of food

Snout Girl- Something vego, meatballs, tomato sauce

deadsheep - soft drink, chicken skewers

That's horrible Steph. So sorry to hear

List of Dogs

Snout Girl- Bert, Sally, Bruce and Poppy

Steph M - Gus and Rosie

pip 1981- Dakota (and human baby Elliot- maybe Daddy Ed and big brother Jeremy)

Terri - Didi

deadsheep - Kane and Hannibal

Malcolmus - Shakur + Soka

Catherine- Oscar

Jo's friend Sarah- Amber

List of Food

Snout Girl- something vego for bbq, meatballs, pasta salad

Steph M - Potato Salad and Sausages.

pip1981- crunchy noodle salad, soft drink (I can bring my supplies bag if that helps SG?)

Terri - Bread + something of the cake/slice/sweet variety

deadsheep - chicken skewers for bbq

Malcolmus - bread/rolls/marg

Catherine- ????

Sarah- TBA

I'm just bringing Kane and Hannibal this time.See you there!

List of Dogs

Snout Girl- Bert, Sally, Bruce and Poppy

Steph M - Gus and Rosie

pip 1981- Dakota (and human baby Elliot- maybe Daddy Ed and big brother Jeremy)

Leah82 - Collie and Sarah

Terri - Didi

deadsheep - Bronson, Cassie, Kane and maybe Hannibal

List of Food

Snout Girl- something vego for bbq, meatballs, pasta salad

Steph M - Potato Salad and Sausages.

pip1981- crunchy noodle salad, soft drink (I can bring my supplies bag if that helps SG?)

Leah - Soft Drink in the car fridge

Terri - Bread + something of the cake/slice/sweet variety

deadsheep - chicken skewers for bbq

I think loaf is fine Terri.

Hey Terri, looks like we still need bread.

I'll bring some soft drink too.

DS - Bronson, Cassie, Dolly plus 1 idiot

DS - snags, potato salad

Nice work Jo. See you at the next one!

List of dogs

Snout Girl- Bert, Sally, Bruce and Poppy

Dead Sheep + 2 people - Bronson, Cassie, Dolly, 2 other dogs

Law- Trixie

Steph - Gus and Rosie

Malcolmus - Shakur

List of Food

Snout Girl- Something vego for bbq, sauce, pasta salad, hamburgers

Dead Sheep- Snags and bread, potato salad, fruit

Law- cake and chips

Steph - chicken and bread/butter

Malcolmus - soft drink n chips

Deadsheep's friend - cake

Don't forget to RSVP if you would like to come! If you are stuck on what to bring, we are a little low on salads :)

List of dogs

Snout Girl- Bert, Sally, Bruce and Poppy

Dead Sheep- Bronson, Cassie, Dolly

Law- Trixie

Steph - Gus and Rosie

Malcolmus - Shakur

List of Food

Snout Girl- Something vego for bbq, sauce, pasta salad, hamburgers

Dead Sheep- Snags and bread, potato salad

Law- cake and chips

Steph - chicken and bread/butter

Malcolmus - soft drink n chips

Don't forget to RSVP if you would like to come! If you are stuck on what to bring, we are a little low on salads :)

I see Steph isn't bringing her famous potato salad so I'll step up to the challenge and bring one.

I'll keep the ham in a separate container so the vegos can eat it too but it won't be vegan.

we'll be there with Bronson, Cassie, Dolly and maybe one more.

I'll bring snags and bread

I can't wait to meet River!

I don't know if Bronson can handle the heterosexual competition? He's pretty smitten with Gus!

Hannibal is out due to being too much of a people suck up and not really playing with the dogs. We figured he'd be better off at home and force Dolly to be more independent without a chihuahua ese nearby. Maybe we'll bring another chi in Hannibal's place but we'll see who behaves themselves over the next few days.

I'll be there! Bronson misses Gussy

We won't be bringing Hannibal this time so it would be good if there were some smaller dogs for Dolly to sniff, Leah

edited to remove a dog and add food

List of dogs

Snout Girl- Bert, Sally, Bruce

deadsheep- Bronson, Cassie, Dolly

labsrock61a- Clancy

List of food

Snout Girl- something vegetarian for bbq, hamburgers

deadsheep- sausages, minute steak, bread, bread rolls butter

labsrock61a- salad, cake

love the gopro footage Leah!

Steph, you got so many great photos. Love the santa sequence

we'll be there!

deadsheep + Mr deadsheep - Bronson, Cassie, Dolly, Hannibal, Mort

we'll bring sausages, minute steaks, bread, butter

I'll swap you Dolly for a pug (don't care which one!)

amazing photo's Gertrude! You are a gun with the camera. Some really beautiful shots in there.