ShootMarty

Thanks persephone..

The 'real forum' may have easily misconstrued, the real life coffee hall and cake was added within minutes.. My apologies for lack of description..

The meaning was meant to imply if we were at such a 'face to face' forum, and someone came in and made an unsubstantiated statement and left, its an inconvenience and interruption at least..

However....

Yes this is the net, with such experienced forum users answering, I incorrectly their posts might have more useful information .

I have recommended to double dose by some users here ( perhaps inadvertently ), and want to know they have done so....

Thanks for your comments.

As for a few dollars, this could save around $1000.00 over the 1 dog's lifetime.. What if got another dog?

Really if you are worried about saving $100 or less a year then you had better rethink this whole dog owning thing. Are you going to let your dog suffer through an illness or accident while you find the cheapest way to get the attention it will need?

Its more about double dosing, this is only a benefit....

Wow, ShootMarty you are really into researching this to the nth degree!

Some journals that might be of use to you to develop your understanding of the use and dosage of anti-parasitic drugs in dogs:

Veterinary Parasitology

International Journal for Parasitology

Parasitology International

Trends in Parasitology

The Veterinary Journal

To add an extra dimension to your research, consider if Spirometra is an issue in your area and of course paralysis tick. :)

lol

Thanks, while all this might contain amazing Facts and Proven Science and Theory..

All I'm trying to do is get to the bottom of a myth... True or untrue....

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Is it fair, or a necessity to double dose my dog every treatment... Would you ask the question, is this avoidable.. What if it were you...

Or is the way of thinking a Big Corporation said it was 'Fine'...

A lot of people want want keep as many chemicals as they can out of themselves and there loved ones, perhaps even, every body and everything...

Yet the question remains....

Overthinking, perhaps?

[shooty] Perhaps, but with a better understanding of a dogs needs, should make for a happier dog

You don't have your pup yet - there may be things you have not entered into your hypotheticals- like intolerance/allergies to chemicals..other illnesses ..

[shooty] No not much thought has been give to that, thanks.. Hopefully, by choosing a robust breed, will help eliminate many concerns you has raised there, General health problems and genetic defects/abnormalities as well temperament and adaptability did come into my dog choice, as well as chosen diet as well..

many of us have indeed switched parasite control/prevention methods/substances ..and there are continual discussions on D O L about this subject. They may not interest you due to a lack of detailed analyses ;)

[shooty]Continual problems with available treatments should prove enough information to help ( Statistically speaking ) lol

You have mentioned budgeting - if you feel you can not adequately provide the most suitable ecto/endo parasite control/prevention - then perhaps you should also cost surgeries and health maintenance . perhaps now is not the right time to add a puppy ?

[shooty]Perhaps, but the other side of the coin, I might have more to choose a better vet, or the better option when push comes shove..

Please don't get me wrong, I dont want compromise the health of Django in any way..

I'm trying to see if I can avoid overdosing the fella by not 4 Kg worth of treatment to a 2 Kg Pup, or 10Kg of treatment to a 5Kg Pup...

Oh and P.S. The shoot bit comes from a camera, which I'm really looking to, as well...

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And Generally.

As for why I look for substance in a reply, this is a forum. By definition ( A public meeting place for open discussion. ) Call it etiquette if you will, but in a real ( like meeting hall, coffee and cake type stuff) forum, one discusses why they have the view they hold. Typically a place to air that that view, if done in a public place, one who comes in a makes a statement without sharing the reason why they hold that view, would just be statement, not a discussion.

And while I value their input and membership, and their taking the time to show in interest in the topic, substantiated posts with views and their reasoning is infinitely more valuable.

Thanks for your comments..

Yes, it might be researching over the top, but I dont care much for myth, there is no need for it, especially in this day and age.

Perhaps, it may bring a long term benefit, where one could discover that there is more affordable way to manage preventative care, and Hopefully more people would properly, or get more dogs into peoples homes...

After just a quick search of a reputable store

The cost difference between the 4 and 45 Kg 22% more..

But the ingredients difference 1000 %

Speaking of terriers, I smell a rat.....

I really don't understand your posting style or what you are actually asking. I have 30 kilo plus dogs, do as little chemically to them as possible. With such a small dog as yours I would be buying the correct size by weight of anything I needed. No way I would be trying to save a few dollars by buying larger tablets then halving them. Best you ask your breeder what they use.

This is exactly my point, at adult weight, the dog should weigh a touch under 5 Kg, Perhaps not enough for the 4 Kg, and overdone with the 10 Kg chew.. 1/2 of it however, would be ideal...

As for a few dollars, this could save around $1000.00 over the 1 dog's lifetime.. What if got another dog?

What about a 6 Kg dog with a 20 Kg Chew...

Still, I'm not yet convinced either way. Its still very much a discussion topic at the moment...

(Disclaimer)

This (halving/saving) might not be everyones cup of tea, or applicable in all circumstances, it may benefit a few, but I must say that no-one should do this unless they fully understand what is a stake, the health/life of your loved dog, so there is no way I recommend this to anyone..

As for using the same stuff over and over again, working out wether is it better to treat with the one chemical, all its life, or vary the care through its life, (allowing for changes of course) but I'll leave that for another year...

I've only read one chemical test report on an intestinal wormer, and they werent a long trial period.. ( warning If you really love dogs, dont go looking for them. )

What do they say, for the good of the many....

Thanks for the information, the join dates and post counts are duly noted as well...

Can I ask what is the reason or source of thge information that makes these chews to be taken as whole...

Blame it on being inquisitive, I like to know how things work, otherwise, it seems highly likely that an extruded chew, would be batch made, then extruded..

Quality control and conformity would almost demand it be made this way, batch control would then apply to say, 100 Kg to 500 Kg batch, if they were made any other way they would almost certainly have check QC every 50 - 500 tablets, I have been looking for a picture of one to ascertain its manufacture process...

We don't mind separate medications and manage such, but 20-30 dollars annually is neither here nor there with pets and the association ( which we haven't started yet).

Though it is great to see the larger (huge) American supermarket chains are quickly moving to Generic treatments as well..

In addition - I found a pic, it's on the packet.

This thread

http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/228694-sentinel-spectrum-dosage/

Suggests the manuf cant guarantee the mix is equal if the tablet is cut in half..

However, I bet they guarantee the tablets are the same one chew to the next, and I wouldn't be surprised if the company made the larger mixes, and just the extrusion dye ( think chew width pattern ) and length to manufacture the various weight chews, one size after the other.

The other is off label use, which wont be supported by the manufacturer either, but one have to keeps receipts to claim, and prove they were dosed, and ingested, should you have the money to take them on , even if you were right and adhered to label use...

And yes the manuf wont garantee the weight/dose will be correct if they are divided...

Yes, surely its up to the owner to work this out knowing the dosage/weight ratio prescribed by the company...

Interesting - the ingredients increase strictly with the weight scale except for the lightest weight, where a minimum amount of Milbemycin look to be required for effectiveness.

http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/lookup.cfm?setid=5b53a174-0a1e-4d23-bb33-adbd39e82606

While I respect your opinion, and acknowledge your experience and wisdom, your posts and replies would carry more weight with explanation and substance.

And, it appears that some do and dont halve there treatments, Sentinal in this case, those that have chosen to, I can see why they have, as long as they cover the minimum dose in a lighter dog, and meet the weight scale for the heavier dogs.

But all said and done, its a gamble that the owner takes, but if their calculations are correct, their logic appears sound..

Sorry I should be clear and state the Breed...

Aus Silky....

I will use a half of 10 Kg tablet until the dog reaches More than 5 Kg, then re-assess...

This really confuses the hell out of me...

I was of the train of thought that it was

heart worm monthly ( No problems here )

Intestinal worm Quarterly -

Flea protection, in the flea seasons and as required...

Are all the people in the retail stores in Kahootz with the Manufacturers to Milk us dry and poison our dogs... Does it stretch as far as Vets too..??

If it does do I need to chose a vet not associated with a retail outlet just to get the honest truth...

And to the people in the stores. I want a naturally healthy dog as much as possible... Of the 6 local stores I've been to, only one has been kind enough to lay out a plan for me, but at 150.00 plus for a dog who should remain under 5 Kg for the whole of its adulthood...

And not being able to say a standard tablet might not contain equal amounts if halved, but I can assure you that each packet, inner, outer, and batch would be identical...<5% variation...

And Ah!!!

It finally sunk in that ( people already helping please dont take this the wrong way ) it must be hard, or one may show a reluctance to answer, in the ( heaven forbid ) instance that something untoward may happen..

Now knowing this, and accepting all responsibility for my decision, I would just be happy to know what you did in the same situation.....

I would really appreciate some more input, I find this a very grey area of pet care...

And to the those that have already kindly shared their thoughts with me, I thank you, as it gives me insight as to how it is with some real dog owners, that offer information without a budget to meet...

While I understand that one in a paid profession should err on the side of caution.. Its really OK to share information about what people really do, no wonder pet supermarkets are taking off....

And as for the enzyme cleaner, I have given some to friend who's house reeks of cat, I'm checking back in with them in a week... I've searched the brand here, but it does not show up at all...

Any way, thanks guys...

I feel like I'm back at school and I'm about to get into some heavy petting.. lol

Pretty new to this stuff, and I'd appreciate all the help I can get...

The last thing I want to do experiment on the little dude!

After checking local stores, and there treatments for dogs, up to $110.00 per 6 Months...

I thought I'd ask for you help in choosing/approving the preventative medical routine....

Intestinal Worms 10 Kg

Canine Allwormer 20 x 10Kg (20 x 22lbs) tablets

( These will be halved til the dog reaches half of the prescribed weight ) plus the doses at 8, 10 and 12 ( has about 36 months of treatments )

Heart worm

Value Heart Small Dog 6 Pack

( These will be halved til the dog reaches half of the prescribed weight ) Should last a Year...

Fleas

Comfortis 6 Pack ( to 9kg )

( These will be halved til the dog reaches half of the prescribed weight )Should last a Year/More ( Seasonal...)

Would this combo suffice..

Any problems ( I am aware about comfortis and large doses of ivermectin for mange, possibly unhealthy/worse)

For those bean counters that was about $125.00,

And I have found a very ( extremely Frugal ) Enzyme Odor and Stain remove that I will trying out, seems OK so far with other household odors.. I've given a few litres away for friends to try and I'll get back to that one.. ( If you are in Brisbane Southside (2 years plus on the forums only) and want to try a Litre ) PM me... You'll need a pump sprayer.... ( the reason for this... I havent used one before, and I'd like the opinion of an experienced owner.. ) Thanks

If a thread exists that is very similar, I'm sorry, I did search a fair bit....

That's so cool....

Good luck. Have a great day....

We are over two weeks away still....

We were going to keep the pup a surprise for our daughter. But we let her know. ..

She now shares our excitement in anticipation. It's awesome... We also get the opportunity to explain why e need go gently for the few days or so, just to smooth out our silky's transition....

Found this, kind of on topic, hope it's not a repost..

Great wolf story.. 5 Min Video...

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140128-how-wolves-saved-a-famous-park

Pleasure...

BTW, not saying that you aern't... But if you are not up with the lingo that the plunbers and irrigators talk, Just take some nice in focus pics of the underneath of your sink. more the merrier.. Should turn into a much easier experience for you if you require that little bit of help... I knew a bit about plumbing, and I could have done with the pics too....

I recently an undersink water filter to my place...

If you already have a standard flick-mixer fitted... You probably can too..

Total cost of filter, housing,two adapters, one extension hose and that white plumbing tape was $70.00 all up...

Treats 40 litres a day for a year in terms of volume.

Filters are 19.00 ea and last 6 months... 5 Micron and improves taste and odor..

Takes 20-30 Mins or so to fit..

Waters is much better than the Bris Tap water, but the same convenience...

Refill bottles, Kettle, cooking...

Thanks, I will investigate this :)

No problem - Just head into the local irrigation shop...

Heres some pics to show them what you had in mind and you can go from there..

Its a popular size cartridge, with even higher filtration levels available...

This is the sticker of the cartridge wrapper, I stuck it on the cupboard...

Linky

Filter housing....

Linky

And if you have/are a handiperson, they are allowed to do this type of plumbing as the flickmixer should be fitted after a stopcock....

So changing the filters is breeze too...

I recently an undersink water filter to my place...

If you already have a standard flick-mixer fitted... You probably can too..

Total cost of filter, housing,two adapters, one extension hose and that white plumbing tape was $70.00 all up...

Treats 40 litres a day for a year in terms of volume.

Filters are 19.00 ea and last 6 months... 5 Micron and improves taste and odor..

Takes 20-30 Mins or so to fit..

Waters is much better than the Bris Tap water, but the same convenience...

Refill bottles, Kettle, cooking...