Remidog

Thank you everyone for your kind words ???? Spoken to a few breeders and chatted it over with my husband. We actually think we will get a puppy next time as we have 2 small children who would grow up with the dog. Knowing the dogs history would make me feel better about having him/her around our kids all the time too :) There is a registered breeder not too far from us who has puppies ready to go in a few weeks, so we are just deciding if we will go with them or wait a couple more months. All of the breeders I've spoken to have been so kind and helpful! So if any of you are on here, thank you!

Thanks everyone. I'm sure we will find the perfect dog soon. I've looked on the available adult dogs on this site but there are none in my state and we don't feel comfortable with purchasing an adult dog without meeting it. But I'm really hopeful the right dog will come up soon. I've spoken to some breeders and may even check out some shows/club/events.

This has really sucked for you Remidog. I really hope that you find a new doggy friend very soon.

Thank you! And yes, it does suck. I can't believe I'm in tears over a dog we only had for 48 hours! Hopefully we find another furry friend soon

Hello everyone! We gave the dog back after the messages we received today we realised that they weren't coming to the meeting to tomorrow to see that she was in a good home etc but that they would be trying to convince us to give her back. We ended up calling them today and saying they could pick her up this evening. We felt we would be constantly worrying over the next few weeks that the dog might disappear or something and we also felt guilty that they were missing her so badly. I guess they just didn't understand the weight of their decision until they went through with it. We are sad, frustrated and annoyed about the situation but also empathetic as we can see why they love her so much and why they would really miss her. Hopefully she stays with them for the rest of her life and she has the life she deserves.

As for us, we have been in contact with some breeders, one of whom has puppies ready in a few weeks. We didn't super want a tiny puppy so are thinking it over before we decide. Thank you again for all your help :)

I understand what you're all saying and appreciate it, but these people know our address which worries me. They did seem lovely but what's stopping them from coming and taking her and leaving us out of pocket? Or saying we stole her as nothing was signed? She is such a beautiful dog and perfect for our family but the situation is just ridiculous.

Hopefully we can find another perfect dog soon

I worry about that too, I really feel we have so much more time etc for her, but I feel like we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I think we will just give her back we don't want to and feel like it's so unfair but now we have two people messaging us and making us feel bad. And if she's not in our name etc then if she's lost/stolen we have no proof of ownership and we are out of pocket a lot of money

It's horrible to have done everything right and then get bitten like this

Oh remi, lots of hugs! You will find yourself a gorgeous GSD that does not come with such complicated attachments!

Can you go to some local dog shows to meet breeders in person? It seems to me they pass news by word of mouth when a dog is in need of a home, internet advertisements being a last resort. I'm sure they'll know of many dogs who have gone back to breeders through no fault of their own and are waiting to put muddy paws all over your heart!

Thank you. I have emailed every registered breeder on the list on the dogzonline website so hopefully someone can help us. Horrible situation and I wish the owners put more thought into their decision because it's not been fair on us. Technically I know we don't have to give her back, but I can't keep her with all this pressure on us

We have the partner of the man messaging us now asking for her back. I guess we will just give her back but I'm so frustrated and upset at this whole thing. I'm in tears and it just feels like we are getting the raw end of the stick because we fairly purchased this beautiful dog after waiting so long to find the right one, and now we have to give her back because they miss her

Please try to relax!

.Busy hours and a small yard do not a bad owner make. It is very easy to put up a rehoming add then forget about it until it all happens and you're without a loved companion.

You mentioned earlier they'd offered to return the money and then some? I think that would lean against it being a scam and more of an "oh god what did we do".

You are doing your best and you're being quite a decent person about it. Have the meeting and hear out their thoughts and feelings, share yours, come to an agreement of sorts together.

Thank you Thistle the dog, really appreciate the reply. I've only quoted a few points of yours as your reply was really long :) I definitely don't think they are bad people or that they didn't care for the dog, I know they did. And like you said, small yard and busy hours do not make a bad owner. My hope if she goes back to them is that they have realised they can fit walks etc in and make that time for her.

I also think they are genuine people and not a scam. In fact, that hadn't crossed my mind until I read a few comments. I just want to make sure that we all enter the agreement properly, and that we are protected whichever way it goes. If she becomes our dog we want her registered asap with our details, and if she doesn't then we expect a full cash refund. I definitely don't think these people are trying to rip us off, probably they just really miss the dog. And I can see why, because we love her already!

And thank you for the kind words :) I'm trying to be a decent person and see this from all sides, and focus on what's best for the dog. I just hope that whichever way it goes we can get it fully resolved tomorrow.

Tomorrow .. can you meet them somewhere neutral ?

WITHOUT THE DOG

the dog will make things difficult - she will be really pleased to see the 'old' owner ..and that will make you feel awful.

I do hope they are not visiting your house

Well the whole reason he wanted to come was to visit the dog. From he messages he has sent yesterday it seems he knows she will be staying with us as he's not said things like "she will have a great life with you" etc. I feel like I can't say no to him visiting her now because that's what we organised and the last thing I want is for any of this to turn nasty I have no problems with having a civil relationship with this people and meeting them out somewhere in the future every now and then so they can see the dog. I just don't want to be stressed out about the situation anymore. I hope tomorrow goes well! Eek!

Good luck for tomorrow!

Thank you :)

You are going to have to decide by tomorrow if you want to keep the dog or not and stick to your guns either way.

What if he turns up and wants the dog back are you going to just cave in and hand her back.

I think this guy has a cheek ;he had the dog listed for sale for some time and so had reached a decision that was best for the dog then after the sale he neglects to fill out a transfer of ownership and changes his mind and where are these grieving teenagers; no where to be seen; if they wanted to keep the dog so much they should have paid more attention to the dog and helped with it's care.This family may well be distraught but what about the feelings of you and your family and the dog .

You have been put on an emotional roller coaster and i don't think that is fair on you and your family.

I guess you could tell your 2 year old that the dog missed it's mum and wanted to go home but really you have been put in a very.stressful situation.

If you decide to give back the dog make sure you get cash in hand before you hand over the dog.Take a third party witness with you whatever you decide to do.

We definitely want to keep her, there's no doubt about that. The issue is just we weren't sure if the right thing to do was give her back if they were that upset. And also we want to do it right as have all her details in our names, and not be worried that someone could come and potentially snatch her and us not have proof that we own her. We plan on having all the forms printed to be signed tomorrow if she is staying with us. We have made it clear that we want to keep her. I just don't want a big drama over it

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Remidog you say you have proof of purchase;what does that consist of,has this guy put his signature to anything ?

He should know that he needs to transfer ownership and my concern is that if he was to take the dog back and you don't get your money back or he does this again to someone else.you need to contact the registry that handles your dogs microchip and tell them the old owner has not signed the transfer papers.

If you send them proof of purchase they may contact him and ask him to change ownership to you at once or they may do anyway once you have shown a signed document / receipt of sale.

No signature on anything. I just have microchip form details, vet information etc. We have all of the communication between us saved which can clearly show that the dog was sold to us as well as a copy of the advertisement of the dog. We will print a transfer of ownership form tonight and get him to sign tomorrow if it's decided she will stay with us. My dad is actually a lawyer so could also do a stat Dec for me no problems as well. Hopefully there doesn't become any bigger issues here I would hate to think that they would just take the dog back and we would be out of pocket all that money! If they so desperately wanted her back we would definitely give her back before a situation like that would arise.

I wouldn't be letting them take the dog without paying or transferring cash on the spot. Then write a receipt/note which you both sign noting money exchange and transfer of dog ownership back to them. And check with your Dad. But personally I think the dog us better off with you.

If they press to have her back it will definitely be only if they can give us cash back on the spot. My dad told me quite often people do bank transfers and then call for them to be reversed. I don't think these people would do anything like that at all but I guess you can never be too careful. It's not about the money at all, we purchased the dog thinking it would be forever, but if it's not we don't want to be out of pocket the receipt/note idea is a good one, thank you!

We took her for a walk through a national park near us this morning and she had a great time! It's hard not to get attached, but I'm trying to keep a bit of distance in case we have to give her back.

This one looks up all registries EXCEPT NSW: http://www.petaddress.com.au/

This is the NSW registry: https://www.petregistry.nsw.gov.au/#/

Thank you for those links, much appreciated!

Remidog you say you have proof of purchase;what does that consist of,has this guy put his signature to anything ?

He should know that he needs to transfer ownership and my concern is that if he was to take the dog back and you don't get your money back or he does this again to someone else.you need to contact the registry that handles your dogs microchip and tell them the old owner has not signed the transfer papers.

If you send them proof of purchase they may contact him and ask him to change ownership to you at once or they may do anyway once you have shown a signed document / receipt of sale.

No signature on anything. I just have microchip form details, vet information etc. We have all of the communication between us saved which can clearly show that the dog was sold to us as well as a copy of the advertisement of the dog. We will print a transfer of ownership form tonight and get him to sign tomorrow if it's decided she will stay with us. My dad is actually a lawyer so could also do a stat Dec for me no problems as well. Hopefully there doesn't become any bigger issues here I would hate to think that they would just take the dog back and we would be out of pocket all that money! If they so desperately wanted her back we would definitely give her back before a situation like that would arise.

How old are the children and are they the couples children or grandchildren ?

I think it is bad form on their part to not involve the children in the re home process to let the children meet you and let them see that the dog has a good home with you.

My parents gave away 2 of my dogs when i was not home and i came back to find them gone.

It would have been easier to deal with if i 'd had a say about where they went and given time to accept the situation.

We re homed a dog to a relative when my kids were small on advise from trainer and vet as the dog was not suited to children and the kids became scared of her and stopped wanting to play in the yard.

We all went together to take the dog to her new Adult home with no kids and the children cried and wailed all the way home in the car that she was the best dog ever;but once home they ran outside to play and hardly mentioned her again.They did get to visit her again a few months later but showed little interest past an initial pat.

The following year we adopted a dog from a shelter who truly was the best dog ever for our family;was wonderful with the kids and we had her for 9 wonderful years.

At first i thought you should give her back but i wonder if the dog would be happier and get more attention with you .

You could suggest that the children visit the dog once and see that you are taking good care of the dog or wait a couple of weeks and see if the old owners have adjusted to him being gone or still want him back.Your 2 year old will take to another dog if you decide to return the dog but i am leaning towards you should keep this one.

Thank you for the reply. I believe they are teenage girl/girls. From the conversation we had I believed that they knew about the rehoming as one of the reasons she was getting rehomed was that they weren't spending very much time with the dog. I think they did know and it's more of a case of they missed her once she was gone. Which makes me feel terrible of course!

The owner is coming to visit on Sunday but I'm not sure if he plans on bringing the children or not. Will confirm today. We will see how it goes. He did say he does feel she is in a better home with us, but just that they miss the dog terribly.

I'm still so torn! I was hoping to get a lot of replies that all leaned one way on here, but it seems everyone helping is torn too! Lol.

I wonder if they told the kids that they were rehoming the dog? It is possible that they didn't and then had a rather dramatic reaction from the kids when their pet was gone. The kids may get over it by Sunday. If they still want her back by then I would return her.

That may possibly be the case? I'm not entirely sure. But yes, we will see how Sunday goes and hopefully we can get the situation resolved, whichever way it goes!

Sorry, but I'd return the dog.

Of course you are legally within your rights to keep the dog. Entirely your choice.

In situations such as this I always put myself in the other partys' shoes. I'd feel their emotional loss is greater than mine would be and it would be my empathy and care for the dog's emotions that would lead me to my decision of returning the dog.

Also what a great opportunity to do something for someone else. Such opportunities don't present themselves very often.

I feel there is an even better suited dog coming for you and you will really deserve it after doing such a good deed.

I think comparing yards etc is just trying to justify keeping her. Dogs don't need big yards. GSD aren't the self exercising type. Provided they are taken out daily and let inside the house, given plenty of mental and physical stimulation, their needs are met. Really, the yard is irrelevant.

It's definitely a touch situation.

You will decide the decision that feels right for you :) all the best

Thank you for the reply. We have all decided to take the weekend to think about it and will discuss on Sunday. I think we are trying to justify keeping her, because when we purchased her we thought we were buying our family pet for life. So we do want to keep her. But if it's in her best interests to go back then we understand that too. We all need to think it over further I think!

, who can give the dog the best outcome?

Legally, has the old owner signed transfer of owner papers?

My immediate reaction was give it back, but will they offload her agin a few months down the track when all the reasons they have now for rehoming her are still there?

Thank you for the reply. In terms of the best outcome we obviously feel it's us. Mostly because we live on a large property and I am home all day with two little ones. We are also going to be homeschooling, so I know that for probably the next 8-10 years I won't be in the work force, so unless we are running errands, myself and children will be home. We are also an active family who go for hikes, river visits etc a lot. Having said that, the previous owners definitely loved and cared for her. She just didn't have the exercise she needed (on the large size!) she had all the toys, health checks etc that she needed though. And I could tell the owners genuinely cared for her.

There has been no papers signed, I didn't realise that was something that happened. We have all her vet paperwork, and the vet has been notified that she is wth is now. We also have microchip details to update with our details. And we have proof of payment for her. Not that I think it would be a legal issue. We would give her back before it got to that point for sure, and the previous owner said in his initial message that we can say no to giving her back but just that he had to ask.

In terms of offloading her again, this is what we were concerned about too. Because if she goes back to them we will be actively looking for another dog and would hate to find one, only to be told a month of so in the future that we can have this one back.

I’m pretty torn here. If the dog had been advertised online for a couple of weeks, it seems to me that they had plenty of time to absorb what they were doing. Of course, when they actually do that, the ramifications hit home.

I would be worried about returning a dog to a home where the people were unable to (presuming here) discuss all sides of the case.

When you collected the dog from the original owners, were any other family members there? Do you get any sort of sense of atmosphere as to whether the dog was happy, cared for, etc etc.

My husband picked her up from the house. He just said the backyard was quite small, more like a courtyard (we are a half acre). The man and partner were there when he collected the dog but my husband saw no children. When they came to see our house the man and woman came. The dog seems very well cared for. She came with kennel, toys, food etc and all paperwork. She is a lovely dog with a beautiful temperament. She definitely seems happy. They said the reasons for rehoming were that they wanted more space for her and a family who had more time for her.

I'm still so torn! They are going to visit us on Sunday and we will see from there. If they desperately want her back we will discuss with them then, but we are hoping that a few days will help them to see that she would have a great life with us. I wouldn't have even met the dog if I knew this would happen because we have fallen in love with her already

Have you considered GSD rescues? Quite a few are there simply because their owners were unable to keep them. Even if none currently available, you could touch base so your their first thought when a young dog comes in.

I have had a look but couldn't see any in WA? As I said above I have contacted a few breeders but no luck so far!

Thanks for the advice. I have contacted a few breeders in WA to see if any have any dogs under 2. Legally we are fine to keep her if we decide to (my father is a lawyer) as we paid for her and there is no "cooling off period" with animals as there is with other contracts I've been told. It's just morally what to do!

I feel like there is no winners here. One family is upset they sold their dog, and we are upset because we were so excited to have finally found the perfect pet.

Help please! I have joined these forums to ask for advice from other dog lovers. We purchased a 1 year old GSD just yesterday from a man who was selling her due to moving to a house with a small yard, and not having the time to take her for walks. Previous to us purchasing her she was advertised online for a couple of weeks. The man brought her over to our house to see our backyard (we live rural so lots of space) and we paid for and picked her up from his house two days later (yesterday).

We haven't even had the dog 24 hours and now he says he's made a huge mistake and his daughters are devistated and want the dog back. I'm so torn as to what to do! We feel like the family should have put more thought into getting rid of the dog. She was advertised for a while before we got her, they gave us all of her paperwork etc so it seemed like they wanted her gone.

My husband and I have been looking for the perfect dog for a while now. We wanted a purebred GSD less than 2 years old but not a little puppy and have spoken with lots of breeders/seen other dogs and we wanted to wait for the right one. We are so torn as to if we should give her back or not (previous owners have offered us more money for her but it's not about that at all). I feel terrible that their children are upset, but on the other hand our 2.5 year old is already besotted with this dog. We had been promising her one for months and they bonded straight away. I just don't know what the right thing to do is here. We love her already, and we got the message that he wanted to take her back while we were on a family hike with our dog to a nearby waterfall. We feel like she fits in to our family so well and would be sad to see her go what to do! I need opinions please!