kelpiesrule

what is grand about sending your dog to tiny little shows and getting a BIG over a handful of other dogs, what is grand about a dog getting BIG cause of who is on the other end of the lead? It's all very subjective and not every one will agree on whether a dog with the grand title actually deserves it.

what ? those little shows held on week days, where all the Judges rock up ?

I also don't buy the line of it's the handler not the dog. If a dog is good enough it will win groups, full stop.

I agree if a dog is good enough it will win groups but I also think that some dogs do win because of who is on the end of the lead. so there is more then one way to be a petrol champion imo, it's not just the people who title their dogs on 6 point challenges. It's a pity the system couldn't work and produce worthy dogs the way it should that GayleK put so well in her post, I just object to people thinking the only "bad' Grand Champion is the ones that got there on 6 point challenges.

Awesome! The return of petrol Grand Champions....

So I am curious as to what defines a petrol Champion/Grand Champion? Do we just assume that those that cannot win groups are running all over looking for easy wins? There are people who compete only in the Metro always and have very little competition, (or those that always win easily in their breed) but are unable to crack the groups, but they pick up their breed wins and therefor the 1000 points. Are these petrol Champions? What about those that have a huge amount of Runnerup in Group or runnerup in show wins? But they still get their 1000 points? Are they petrol champions? Would you call someone who say picks up approx 20pt breed wins and lots of RUBIG a petrol Champion?

What about those that are now chasing the group wins to qualify for the new titles, they are the ones travelling all over the country side chasing judges and small shows to get the wins. Why are they not called petrol Champions? I dont understand why we are lumping everyone in the same box.

I am all for bringing back the old rules of Grand Champion and bringing in a Supreme Champion.. it makes everyone happy, well almost.. there are always going to be those that just complain for the sake of it.

Thanks teamsnag. Now just to get there early enough to GET a place by the ring

Not the best organised ring layout I've ever seen I must admit, and getting to the ring at all without walking through someone's gazebo was virtually impossible last year.

Okay, shouldn't be offended by this statement but I am. We spend a great deal of time organising the set up of the rings each year. We often have exhibitors thank us for trying to find more room close to the ring for gazebos, but clearly we still aren't doing it right.

The process is:

the group with the biggest numbers is located on the side or far side of the showgrounds (from the office) to enable the exhibitors to be able to put up as many gazebos as possible. Last year we had group 3 with over 210 dogs and we could have just sandwiched it between group 2 with over 100 and group 4 with well over 100 and given exhibitors the width of one side of the ring as their space, instead we spread out the rings and put in walk ways so no matter which side you are on you can get to the office, toilets, showers etc. Also any especially large group is positioned on the end to try again to get more ringside space for gazebos.

If people chose to put gazebos up in a way that was obstructing things, then the option was to speak to the show manager, who did in fact ask some people to move. Sorry, but I can't help other people getting in early and getting themselves a good spot.

And if you couldn't get near to the ring, maybe that was because there were a lot of people there earlier than you.

Of-course everyone knows how to do everything better, but no-one actually wants to be involved and actually DO the job. AND if as an exhibitor anyone had some constructive ideas about the ring layout, then I am more than sure that the committee or me, as the show secretary would have been very happy to go around and for the exhibitor/s to show us would he/she/they think might have worked better.

If I sound pxxxed off, then that just reflects how I feel. We work extremely hard to try and put on decent shows, and maybe this comment was a throw away line, but I don't need people to not enter because they think the show isn't well run or that there isn't space. Personally, I work very long hours to try and put on a show with different judges, that is exhibitor friendly and that people want to attend!

I guess become a member of the club and come to meetings if you really want to contribute!

Really, there is no pleasing some exhibitors...even though we do bust our butts to do so!!

Nadia Attridge

Show Secretary

Hmmm and this just makes me want to withdraw my entries... I dont think there is any need for this when you are trying to get more people to enter your shows... What Sandra777 said is correct, unless you are there very early you cant get near the rings and there are no walkways alloctated to get through the gazebos, the the people who double park around track and cant back trailers is just insane.... I dont think she was having a go at you, there is alot of work involved in a show, she was just stating reasons why she wouldnt go. No need to take it personally and tell the whole world about it

Well, just as Sandra and you are entitled your opinion, so am I. If people want to level criticism in a open forum, rather than to the individual, then I am not sure why I am not supposed to reply in an open forum. Bottom-line, I am going to protect the work done by the very dedicated small team at Caboolture KC!

I did state clearly too, that I am more than happy for people to approach me or one of the committee and we can work to make things better.

Nadia

Nadia, what has been said is not a personal attack on you or the club, the club (like all clubs) do they best they can to put on a show to please everybody, but this doesnt always happen. There are always going to be people who make the choice for whatever reason to not enter a show. Some it is the show set up, the grounds, the parking, the rings, the judges, the toilets !!! And with the cost of entries and fuel these days it is too easy to get picky. So maybe instead of being offended when people state reasons they dont want to enter a show, just sit back and acknowlegdge their reasons (think about whether their reasons are viable and improvements can be made) and leave it at that. I have gounds that I love to go to regardless of judges... just like people have grounds they hate going to. It is a personal choice. We are all adults and fellow showies, we shouldnt be going around attacking everyone and it doesnt matter who 'started it', we shouldnt be making it personal.

And I will add that it is not always the clubs fault for problems at shows.. the majority of times it can be thoughtless or incosiderate competitors.

Thanks teamsnag. Now just to get there early enough to GET a place by the ring

Not the best organised ring layout I've ever seen I must admit, and getting to the ring at all without walking through someone's gazebo was virtually impossible last year.

Okay, shouldn't be offended by this statement but I am. We spend a great deal of time organising the set up of the rings each year. We often have exhibitors thank us for trying to find more room close to the ring for gazebos, but clearly we still aren't doing it right.

The process is:

the group with the biggest numbers is located on the side or far side of the showgrounds (from the office) to enable the exhibitors to be able to put up as many gazebos as possible. Last year we had group 3 with over 210 dogs and we could have just sandwiched it between group 2 with over 100 and group 4 with well over 100 and given exhibitors the width of one side of the ring as their space, instead we spread out the rings and put in walk ways so no matter which side you are on you can get to the office, toilets, showers etc. Also any especially large group is positioned on the end to try again to get more ringside space for gazebos.

If people chose to put gazebos up in a way that was obstructing things, then the option was to speak to the show manager, who did in fact ask some people to move. Sorry, but I can't help other people getting in early and getting themselves a good spot.

And if you couldn't get near to the ring, maybe that was because there were a lot of people there earlier than you.

Of-course everyone knows how to do everything better, but no-one actually wants to be involved and actually DO the job. AND if as an exhibitor anyone had some constructive ideas about the ring layout, then I am more than sure that the committee or me, as the show secretary would have been very happy to go around and for the exhibitor/s to show us would he/she/they think might have worked better.

If I sound pxxxed off, then that just reflects how I feel. We work extremely hard to try and put on decent shows, and maybe this comment was a throw away line, but I don't need people to not enter because they think the show isn't well run or that there isn't space. Personally, I work very long hours to try and put on a show with different judges, that is exhibitor friendly and that people want to attend!

I guess become a member of the club and come to meetings if you really want to contribute!

Really, there is no pleasing some exhibitors...even though we do bust our butts to do so!!

Nadia Attridge

Show Secretary

Hmmm and this just makes me want to withdraw my entries... I dont think there is any need for this when you are trying to get more people to enter your shows... What Sandra777 said is correct, unless you are there very early you cant get near the rings and there are no walkways alloctated to get through the gazebos, the the people who double park around track and cant back trailers is just insane.... I dont think she was having a go at you, there is alot of work involved in a show, she was just stating reasons why she wouldnt go. No need to take it personally and tell the whole world about it

blah blah blah... how many times have gone over and over this... what about the dogs that are shown and have bitches in season at HOME !!?? But still like to think every bitch he sees at a show is his for the taking, even if there is nothing in season around him. This is showing and this is a part of life and nature.. There are always excuses for losing or poor behaviour. Banning in season bitches from shows is not going to help these studdy dogs that have bitches at home. I show both males and females and I think that if you dont have enough bond with your male to get him to concentrate on you for a few minutes then there is no point in showing him at all. I know of males that misbehave because they can tell my bitch is due to come in 6 weeks before she does !!! So then what do I do? Not show her at all just in case a male cant control himself even when she is NOT in season but maybe due in the next few months ?? Come on people, stop making up excuses and just get out there and enjoy your dogs.

Every time there is a posting about GC titles, those who post have the strong opinion that the title should be tougher to obtain. Just so readers are in no doubt that they are more than qualified to express an educated opinion, we are also told about the number of GC's they have. Congratulations. Having a GC would be quite an achievement.

Another topic discussed often is the declining attendance at shows. I think returning to the old system will keep people showing. As a case in point, I have two dogs here who have in excess of 250 points each. I said to my husband in the past week that once we did the shows they are currently entered for that I would stop showing them as there was nowhere to go with them. They win their far share of in group classes but I rarely see the breed take off Group or In Show. Should the old system return, I will strongly consider keeping going.

It is fine if those with a Poodle, Lab, Sibe, Cav, Akita, Staffie, etc want to make it tougher fora GC title. You have plenty of opportunities of 25 point challenges and your breeds are popular choices for in group or in show. I counted up the dogs for a few of the rarer breeds at the last two Royals and neither would have been a 25 point challenge. When was the last time you heard of a Leonberger, Pharoah Hound, Tibetan Mastiff, Belgian Sheherd taking out a group if BIS award? Not very often. Shouldn't they have an opportunity at a Grand title if they want to get out there and show?

What does it matter If a dog that isn't your choice is a GC title holder? What does it matter to you if they get stud fees to their dog supposedly because of the title but you don't stand your dog anyway? I believe that you should all think outside your own breeds and start thinking about the whole dog world. It is all very well to say that a good dog will win what is currently required but the fact is that they won't. There are some very fine dogs amongst the rare breeds but they will never be awarded.

Sorry - but I don't agree with your assumption that people with views that the Gr CH should be tougher are people with Gr CH - I don't own a GR CH or even an Ch yet (soon I hope) but believe that the current rules are better than the old ones. A Gr CH needs to have shown that it has beaten something. The requirement of four 25 point challenges makes sure that this has happened. Also - a Belgian Shepherd was BIS at an all breeds show here in SA last year - so it does happen. This breed regularly wins at Group level because it is a fantastic example of the breed. It will get its grand easily (it might have it already actually - I am unsure - it has enough group wins to qualify though). Good examples of rare breeds do win at group level here in SA on a regular basis.

In terms of keeping people at shows - Dogzonline point score is doing that nicely .

One Belgian Shepherd in one State. Name me the last Leonberger or Pharoah Hound. The Dogzonline point score is keeping the Grand Champions showing. Look at who leads each State and breed. Point score won't keep me showing but a change back in the GC conditions probably will.

A Pharoah hound recently won BIS in QLD

Are you adding the CCD title by chance (to the breeders pointscore) ???

Yes and they are starting up Rally-O trials next year which are a form of Obedience... will they be added too?

I love sweeps and always do them with my puppies

My little girl Lani had her first weekend of shows in Minor and came away with some great wins! From 5 shows she placed 1st, 2nd and 3rd in Puppy Sweeps as well as being shortlisted for the other two. She was shortlisted for a couple of Minor in Groups as well. But her best wins were 2 x RUBCC and 1 x RUBOB (from and entry of 8 kelpies - 3 males and 5 females) and then topped it off with MINOR IN SHOW !!!

My dogs have been on Black Hawk for 2 months now and I am very happy with it. And I have even got my housemate to start feeding it !!! This is amazing in itself as she is a big believer in Raw, but her young girl is a finicky eater and didnt like the raw, I said she could try some of my Black Hawk and Meg loves it! So she has even put her other two dogs on it as well because it has turned out to be more cost effective for her.

Congrats everyone. Good luck on Sat.

Unfortunately I wont be there but Miss Pickle will be. Hope she performs well

BMP we will definately have to compare notes LOL I was really surprized at how rude some of the stewards were

It is interesting that you found the stewards rude... I have never found them to be so. I know most of the stewards and they are very efficient at getting everyone organised, even those who are in a bit of a flap and trying to get dogs groomed or those too busy talking to friends. Maybe it is because I have been to the Ekka so many times now that I know what is required and always let them know what dogs I have in upcoming classes and had helpers ready with my dogs. I think the stewards at the ekka do an awesome job!

Well no actual brags except that we had a fantastic day at EKKA showing today, Banjo who hasnt been into a ring since May and looked like a dogs brekkie so to speak showed really well in the desexed sweepies and I just had fun.. got a good 2nd look from the judge and the exhibitor standing next to me and I thoight that he was gonna give it to me but hey it was just a good day

Funny moment of the day the announcer was telling the crowd about the class and she was like now these dogs here normally range from about 6 - 10 yrs.. I get up the top and the judge goes; "how old is this dog" and I reply "3" lmao

I think you were a bit ripped Smisch, you definately should have picked up at least 3rd in the Sweepies !!!

My old girl Phoenix won Bitch Challenge (15pts) and Runnerup of Breed !!! This is the second time she has won this so I was very happy with the result she will be 8 in August.

I would happily show my Finnish Lapphund regardless of the weather- they don't mind. I show them in dagy wet weather gear.

My tough kelpies.....

Not much point as they are too busy trying not to get their tootsies wet

LOL I love showing the brown dogs in the rain ! Bring on the mud LOL the only thing I struggle with is because I freestand my dogs it is hard because the rain goes down theirs ears when they try looking up at me But they dont really care if they get wet. I think if they can run around and get feral in the rain at home, then they can do it at shows for me.

I remember showing at Coffs a couple of years ago in inches of water and it splashing up on my dogs as we went around the ring.. they didnt care and you couldnt see they were muddy LOL

Maybe..

To email the file the person will need something like a yahoo account which has unlimited file download it is a huge file and most emails like bigpong or optus wont be able to receive it.

This is the link to her facebook page.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#!/pages/Lead-Me-On-bling-show-leads/186919294687986

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Lead Me On Bling leads is just a new company and she is thankfully based in Brisbane !!! I have a few of her leads and they are gorgeous and the paracord is VERY soft. And because I am a purple lover, she has just the right purple for me

I am pretty happy with my Black Hawk so far. It is working really well for my puppy, the first food I have found that is not going straight through her. I am just about to get my second 20kg bag, but would probably have just enough to last another week. I have not had to feed less, I am still finding I feed the same as previous foods so far. So that means it feeds the 3 dogs for a month. Happy with that.

As for the profiles, once I get it working it will be totally optional to have it displayed as I previously stated. I do not understand why people are still complaining about it?

If you like it and want it for your dog only, you can switch it on, it you don't like it, you can leave it switched off. Am I missing something as to why people are up in arms about it?

As for the forum topics, no need to panic there either, it has been switched off.

I will eventually put something in the header where you can like the forum itself rather than a topic.

I am with you Troy, I cant understand what the problem is if this is optional, you can either have the like button or not. Those of us that are happy to have it should not be penalised because of those that dont want it. I think it is an excellent idea.

Thanks for the feedback.

I am willing to look at it further and not implement it, if you can convince me with a logical argument that it is going to make the so-called 'politics' any worse.

At the moment, dog people put their dog's wins and photos on facebook and others 'like' it or comment on it. How is having a link on the profile any different if somebody want to optionally[/] put it the link on the profile and sombody who is a facebook member wants to optionally 'like' it? It may not make it better but how is it going to make it worse?

As to the comment that is is going to make it easy for someone to rubbish your dog .... If they are going to rubbish your dog they can easily do that now by either taking the photo of your dog and posting it to facebook or just adding a link to the profile in their post. How is having a 'like' button on the profile going to make things worse? To me it will maintain the status quo.

As I previously said, I am not a fan of facebook but the dog world itself is a big fan and I need to embrace that or be left behind.

Re the pointscore, there will be some small changes made to it next year which will appease some people but it will still be running

I think it is an excellent idea.. when will it start working ?

My 2 next big hopes

Skyehaven Dare She Goes (Bizzy)

Skyehaven Dare Devil Miss (Ziva)

Beautiful babies as always Skyehaven

I have been tracking this forum for a little while now and was very interested in the long term results people were getting. I have been having trouble finding a premium quality food for my dogs that I was happy with, both money wise and results on my dogs. I was hesitant to start Black Hawk as I find deliveries of goods can be so unreliable, and so is my memory for ordering LOL. But, the company seems to have everything under control and I have just been delivered my first order of Black Hawk, so I am very keen to start my dogs on this!

Most of my dogs lay like Frog Dog... Shamus always did and his hipscore is high-ish.

I have to add that this boy has been rescored an A

Does anyone know numbers?

Any DOLers going???

I am going. I dont think we will know numbers until we get there and get a catalogue