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When Blaze was a baby puppy I thought it was so cute when she kissed me on the mouth so I put it on cue and it was adorable
It's not so adorable now when we are doing drive work and she punches me in the mouth
Why did I reinforce that :headdesk:
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Wouldn't head halters and front clip no pull harnesses fall under aversive? Aside from looking friendlier, am not sure the difference between those and a properly fitted prong and the like.
You can't really label a tool as aversive just by name, it depends on how the dog perceives it. If using a head halter creates discomfort for a particular dog and this discomfort motivates them to change their behaviour then it would be aversive. They are avoiding that sensation by changing their behaviour.
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Also, because the quadrants were developed based on observing how behaviours come about, not every single thing fits neatly into one of the boxes. Some things are just...things, not a punishment or a reinforcement or a positive or a negative. So when my dog sits and looks out the window, as she sometimes does, it doesn't fit into a quadrant, it's just neutral. It's a behaviour she already knows, it's not increasing or decreasing, it's just a thing she does sometimes, therefore by definition it isn't in any of the quadrants.
ETA same with putting a leash on a dog. It is not a case of every time we put one on we are applying negative punishment. If the dog is standing or sitting or walking as they would be whether or not the leash was on, then the leash isn't in any of the quadrants, it's just there.
The other thing to consider is that something has to be motivating to the dog to create behaviour plasticity. If the dogs behaviour doesn't change when you add or take away a reinforcer then it wasn't reinforcing. What is reinforcing for one dog, may not be for the next. Dogs are only motivated by two things - avoiding correction or gaining reward.
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Sorry I think that's a ridiculous statement (in the OP) based on someone's opinion and no evidence whatsoever. It's a waste of time trying to argue it one way or another.
I am so completely fed up with this point scoring. Watch unedited videos of me training my dogs and look at my results, then make you're mind up!
Have you watched the video TSD? I don't think the OP (the one linked to) was trying to say using rewards isn't effective or doesn't work, I think he was saying the opposite. It was highlighting the hypocrisy and areas for concern in what is a completely unregulated industry.
No I haven't huski and fair call absolutely! BUT it's a selective quote and in the hour that it takes to watch the video to gain a full understanding I'd rather be working through my agility handling course videos and actually be training my dogs :laugh:
Fair enough! I watched it while I had a glass of wine last night after spending all day training dogs - rest time lol
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Sorry I think that's a ridiculous statement (in the OP) based on someone's opinion and no evidence whatsoever. It's a waste of time trying to argue it one way or another.
I am so completely fed up with this point scoring. Watch unedited videos of me training my dogs and look at my results, then make you're mind up!
Have you watched the video TSD? I don't think the OP (the one linked to) was trying to say using rewards isn't effective or doesn't work, I think he was saying the opposite. It was highlighting the hypocrisy and areas for concern in what is a completely unregulated industry.
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If you watch the video, which you need almost an hour to do as it is quite long, he makes a point of saying that it's not individual trainers he's taking issue with but "spokespeople" and organisations who are damaging to the industry and unprofessional.
I am sure many people don't realise for example that Victoria Stillwell was sued for fraud by the network who produced her TV show because she is not actually a dog trainer like she claimed she was. When you watch her show (and parts are highlighted in the video for example) it is extremely clear she does not understand the four quadrants of operant conditioning and is exceptionally unprofessional, likely through lack of real experience. Yet she is held up by many in the training community as a spokesperson for "positive only" training. It's ridiculous and I think people like that should be questioned.
I haven't ever met anyone who only trains in the R+ quadrant all of the time. Is it possible? Maybe but I have never seen it. I think trainers need to have a solid understanding of what they are doing and why it works, this is across the board. For example, saying one type of aversive (or interrupter as they can sometimes be labelled) like saying UH UH or making a loud noise, is ok, but other aversives aren't ok when we know that the dog chooses what it finds reinforcing. That being said I think there are lots of ways we can argue the way a particular method can fit into each quadrant. Dog training is too complex IMO to not at least have a solid understanding of how each quadrant works and how to apply them.
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We sell a massive raised bed. I have every size bed assembled in our training shed except for the biggest size - it's so large it's ridiculous lol. I only recommend it to owners of dogs like Danes. It's 132x101cm - not sure if that's big enough.
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Plus TSD and Huski, both (all) of yours were carefully bred and raised with tempermanent in mind, the daughters have grown up with their mums and you've been able to monitor the relationship developing between them.
Very different to bringing in a bitch you haven't raised yourself, don't necessarily know the background behind her temperament and will be new to the older bitch. That bring even more unknowns!
Raised with the intention of having a socially dominant, extremely confident temperament with aggression on tap lol.
I would give the same advice to any person who is asking about adding multiple dogs to their house - yes it is doable but only with correct management. On that note, we see plenty of clients whose dogs fight, M/M, F/M, and F/F combinations. I would advise strict management regardless, especially with two bull breeds.
ETA: I tend to prefer to explain in what situations I would raise two entire females together, rather than just say 'no way'. I think it helps the OP make a more educated decision as to whether they are prepared for the work/time/effort/management involved in having a harmonious household.
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If you want another bitch, get one, and manage them appropriately so they don't have issues. I have two entire females together but they don't run loose together 24/7 - I would say with 99.9% certainty I would have some issues as the youngest came into maturity if I let them run together all the time. I have no issues now and don't expect to, I can have them loose together without issues. But I wouldn't loosen my management at any point.
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Stainless steel with a rubber base to stop it sliding and flipping over easily
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It is a completely unregulated industry.
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The yearly vaccination reminders really annoy me because it goes completely against AVA recommended guidelines and all current science. My vet doesn't do it as she's a breeding specialist and knows better but gosh it annoys me when I have had it happen elsewhere.
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I can just imagine that Daisy will really enjoy it, huski. It's great for the oldies, as well as those starting out.
at the picture of you wrangling your girls, Jules. But that's the sort of thing we want, isn't it. :DShe is loving it and pulling great high 90s scores- until I bugger up a station, and lose 10 of them. Poor Daisy, stuck with a dud handler lol. We have had some really lovely compliments on her attitude, especially "for a beagle" lol.
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I pulled Daisy out of retirement at the end of last year to do a couple of Rally trials with her. She loves it! We have 2/2 passes, I need to enter another one to get her RN. She really enjoys herself.
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We are still in the in the hawkesbury - Richmond area. My email is [email protected] if you have any questions.
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I like trialling as a test of training. I like the challenge of needing your dog to switch on and work under pressure, I think a good obedience round done well looks like magic.
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I always find the smaller pups will walk sooner because they aren't as heavy as the big boofers. I wonder if that's the same for toy breeds vs larger breeds.
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I have the 1L crate buckets in all of the dogs crates, I like that it isn't on the floor and they easy to clean, and mix supplements like GO Dog or Super Fuel into if I give the dogs some in water.
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Looking good Thistle!
The harness looks good to me, I am glad we didn't go any larger. You don't want it super tight but you do want it to be fitted. The webmaster was definitely the best choice for her, I don't think you'd get a great fit with other styles given her body shape (same reason why they are so popular with sight hound owners with dogs like Whippets).
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The crates we use come with a crate divider so I buy an adult size crate and use the divider. If the breeder has kept the pups clean they generally won't want to toilet in their crate. Pups that aren't so fortunate can be a lot harder to toilet and crate train and would benefit from a smaller crate/divider
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I'm thinking she is probably a medium, I'm just so used to buying things labelled large so it is throwing me a bit XD
The sizing is quite big. Blaze could still fit in her small easily at 23kg.
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Oh I just paid and everything!! Will send you an email
Lol no worries. We can easily swap it for something else or another size if needed.
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Just shoot me an email to [email protected] with Thistles chest girth measurement and weight and I'll help size her up. I don't often get sizing wrong ;)
The webmasters are great as they have so much adjustment and points to fit it just right.
Syn tek is smooth so doesn't catch on things easily but any line can easily get tangled.
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Well she's definitely got the obedience down pat! Do you like the what I call less strict Rally-O or do you like the more formal, traditional obedience? With my new little dude I'm thinking of trying out RO because I like the idea I can talk to my dog; saying nothing seems soooooooo weird to me!! :laugh:
I love talking to different people about dog sports because I love just how different everyone is! I'm personally hooked on agility and can't believe it took me so long to get involved -- I can't imagine my life without it now. The only thing I pine for are the gorgeous indoor arenas like the USA are lucky enough to have!!
I have always been super hooked on obed and its my number one passion. I could talk about it and train it all day.
I actually shook the dust off Daisy at the end of last year and popped her in Rally for some fun and she had a great time (2/2 passes so we have one more leg to go for our title). I thought it would be good practice for me in case I take the mals in. For me I think it's good practice for ring prep as getting the right warm up routine down is a big deal for us. But the focus with Blaze is primarily formal obed.
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It's hard with our Mals. They are so highly motivated, you have to be so careful what you allow them to learn. What's cute when we are having a nice cuddle on the lounge isn't so cute once you add prey drive and they offer the same behavior, x10000
It's the same reason why I am super anal about my dogs having impeccable life skills. The consequence is much greater if you get that wrong, compared to the average dog that has a lot less drive.