Icemist

I've seen Kalaska's Samoyeds and they are all stunning!!!!

Hi All,

I think Kalaska are the best Sammie breeder's in Victoria.

XXToughgirlXX

I agree, Kalaska have bred some beautiful dogs... Aussie is absoloutely stunning!

What makes you say they are the best?

I can see why toughgirl27 is coming from.

Kalaska are currently on a roll with their dogs and have won a lot in the last couple of years, and if anyone has the claim to be the top of the pops it is them.

They currently have a couple of very nice dogs out at them moment, and are doing well. But a little question I do ask anyone before making judgements, is how many puppies has any breeder knocked out to get those couple of nice dogs!

So heres a question for all, including the new sammy people, an outside observation would be great.

here it is:

"What makes a top breeder of Samoyeds, or any breed in fact"

Is it the number of champions

or may be the number of champions compared to the amount of puppies knocked out?

or exports

or imports

or other titles like obedience or hearding?

the manerisism and professionalism?

etc etc etc

Which was exactly my point.

I don't think these facts were considered in Toughgirls claim to the 'best' Samoyed breeder, it was stated because she's buying a puppy from them so to her, of course they're number one! (they're going to be providing her with a bundle of fluff!)

Don't get me wrong, I am good friends with Denise and spend most of my weekends under, or near, the Kalaska gazebo and I think they have a beautiful lot of Samoyeds to their name in the past, present, and coming up in the future. I just think it needs to be understood that there are many good, ethical Samoyed breeders and wouldn't want someone reading this to think that there is only one option for their family pet :D Samoyeds aren't a breed that is over bred by poor breeders - like 'popular' breeds such a Staffords etc. We're quite lucky in that way.

I don't think that toughgirls comments are meant to undermine any other Samoyed breeders, she is new to the breed and is excited about a new ball of fluff, and anyone that buys a Sammy for the first time loves that breeder and that breeder are the greatest people on earth, but I do understand where you are coming from.

I bet you when you bought Fletcher, and probably still do, that Snerzok was the greatest kennel of all time, because you were able to obtain a little white ball of fluff from them.

As you have pointed out and are correct, most Samoyed breeders in this country are ethical, and try to do the best for the dogs they breed, their owners and the breed in general.

Hi

Just to let you know I used the Bowral vets for the insemination, and have confirmed that she is Pregnant at 4 weeks. The semen I used had deteriorated over time and wasn't the best quality. They had to use semen extender. I will be taking her back up to try to see how many pups she will be having at 6 weeks.

Just wondering the frequency people get ultrasounds taken of their bitches to be told they are 'empty' and then end up having a litter.

My bitch was ultrasounded on Tuesday and I was told she was empty....which is great because this mating wasn't planned (she had a silen season and was with my boy pretty much the whole time), however I am now watching her closely to make sure she doesn't suprise me and have puppies.

How many weeks preg is she? If it is 4 or 5 you might be suprised, if any longer, I would think the ultrasound would have picked up any puppies.

I have found them to be spot on deterimining if the bitch is pregnant or not, but not with the quantity of pups.

sorry double post

Play as a younster is enough for the growing joints in a puppy to handle. My advice is they should not be taken for long walks during their early stages, and should not be walking up and down stairs.

I'm a bit worried about this now. My 8 month old Samoyed, Buffy, just discovered upstairs of our house, and is always running up and down the stairs now. Her parents have really good hip scores though, so I think genes-wise she's fine, but I'd hate to stuff them up by letting her climb the stairs. Do you think it would be wise to put some kind of barrier to stop her doing this until she's a bit older?

Everyone will have a different oppinion on this but my stance is going up a flight now and then is fine, running up and down is something I would be putting a stop to right away.

WS is right by saying everyone will have different opinions. And the odd up and down is fine, but as a puppy, there joints, hips, hocks, elbows, shoulders are still developing.

I would IMO not let her climb the stairs, put a child gate up.

I have seen too many good dogs with problems by being over exercised or continually running up and down stairs. Two come to mind strait away. Both show dogs.

One, a sensational male Samoyed in Sydney with lines that one would die for. He was continually walked up and down stairs to an appartment. By the age of 12 - 14 months of age, when it walked it looked like it was falling to bits, especially at the front. It was frightning to see it. On the stack (Stand) he would have been hard to beat, but on the move, you had to shed a tear. The dog was quickly withdrawn from the ring and never seen again. This dog had a combination of the problems. Scarey stuff.

I've seen Kalaska's Samoyeds and they are all stunning!!!!

Hi All,

I think Kalaska are the best Sammie breeder's in Victoria.

XXToughgirlXX

I agree, Kalaska have bred some beautiful dogs... Aussie is absoloutely stunning!

What makes you say they are the best?

I can see why toughgirl27 is coming from.

Kalaska are currently on a roll with their dogs and have won a lot in the last couple of years, and if anyone has the claim to be the top of the pops it is them.

They currently have a couple of very nice dogs out at them moment, and are doing well. But a little question I do ask anyone before making judgements, is how many puppies has any breeder knocked out to get those couple of nice dogs!

So heres a question for all, including the new sammy people, an outside observation would be great.

here it is:

"What makes a top breeder of Samoyeds, or any breed in fact"

Is it the number of champions

or may be the number of champions compared to the amount of puppies knocked out?

or exports

or imports

or other titles like obedience or hearding?

the manerisism and professionalism?

etc etc etc

Here's a pic of my boy taken last weekend.. Snapped by the lovely Wolfsong! again!

Hi Bindii,

This photo is great. He looks lovely.

I've spoken to the other half, and he said he's happy to consider a samoyed if the ones we meet are good enough. Can anyone recommend any in SA, or would you recomend one interstate that would be really worth flying a pup interstate for if the quality is that much better

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As for breeders in VIC, as WS said,

Kalaska

Mezen

Snerzok

Aiebus

In SA, there are a few, but you will get better quality from VIC.

But it is best to look on DOL to find your closest breeder. I am aslo unsure how much SA puppies are.

Thankyou again.

Lots of information.

Should a buyer be weary of a breeder selling entire litters on Main registration, or are Samoyed's generally not faulted enough to need to be on limited register?

It's 8 weeks fine to pick up your samoyed pup, or should they stay with mum and siblings longer then this time?

What about urine staining? any of that? And tear staining?

Wat sort of brushes, conditioners and other coat care should you use?

do they blow coat twice yearly for both sexes?

Should a buyer be weary of a breeder selling entire litters on Main registration, or are Samoyed's generally not faulted enough to need to be on limited register?

This is an interesting topic ..

Just because a puppy is on a limited register does not mean that there is anything wrong with the puppy. It brings a little bit of certainty to breeders.

If there is something wrong with a puppy, most good breeders will inform the buyer before purpasing.

No definetly not. I use both. I have been involved in Samoyeds, with my parents before me, since 1975.

The difference between the two registers is that with a main register, as the owner of the dog can do anything with the dog including breeding, EXPORTING the dog overseas, showing etc etc.

The Limited Registered means that the dog that you sell, puppies from this dog can not be registered any where in the world.

This dog, nor there puppies Can not be exported and registered overseas.

This also reduces any shonky backyard or exporters purchasing puppies.

What this means is that it reduces the chances of backyard puppy breeders obtaining one of your dogs to knock out litter after litter after litter.

This also reduces the chance of the dogs being sent overseas. AND YES THIS HAPPENS.

It has happend from a litter that one of my dogs sired. A person purchased TWO main registered puppies, and without the breeders knowledge, they were both sent to Hong Kong. The breeder found out only after looking in the VIC journal.

Years later she found out about them.

She was lucky they weren't sent overseas for the MEAT and FUR TRADE!!!!!! that does happen within this breed.

Do some breeders really care for this breed, or are thay just in it for popularity or money!

It's 8 weeks fine to pick up your samoyed pup, or should they stay with mum and siblings longer then this time?

8 weeks is usually the correct age to pick the puppy up.

What about urine staining? any of that? And tear staining?

Urine stain is hard to get out. It acuatlly burns the coat. There are many remedies to fix it, but it does take time.

Most puppies will get a little tear staining due to worming. Most breeders will reduce the staining before it goes.

If a puppy continually has problems with staining, weaping eyes, it is best to get them checked by a dog eye spesialist.

Wat sort of brushes, conditioners and other coat care should you use?

A love my Collie comb and pin brush. I have 7 different combs and 3 different types of brushes.

A blue shampoo is usually fine on a sammy, conditioning is usually not needed. But be careful with blue shampoo's as they can turn your dog blue, if not used the right way. A cheap good shampoo is Ruddocks Snow White, with the Sammy on the front.

do they blow coat twice yearly for both sexes?

the rule of thumb is Dogs once, bitches twice

Thanks. How would you describe them with cats and things in general? Children also?

Are breeders against having dew claws removed? if it was asked when teh litter was born, do you think they'd find it acceptable to ask?

Are they known to escape like huskies? please excuse my possible silliness in asking this; i've just never met a samoyed.

With the dog being white coated, is there any sight and hearing issues?

What price range does one go for?

Thanks. How would you describe them with cats and things in general? Children also?

One thing they were breed for is a companion.

Very good with children, actually one of the best breeds possible to have around children. Trained, they live with cats and all sorts of animals.

I have a dog I bred that lives with Chickens.

Are breeders against having dew claws removed? if it was asked when teh litter was born, do you think they'd find it acceptable to ask?

Rear dew claws should be removed at birth. Front dew claws stay on. Most Samoyeds will be born without rear dew claws.

Are they known to escape like huskies? please excuse my possible silliness in asking this; i've just never met a samoyed.

very rarely, but if they are board, they might. they are also quite smart, and unless picked up by someone, will usually come home for dinner.

With the dog being white coated, is there any sight and hearing issues?

None that I have ever come across in Australia.

What price range does one go for?

usually $1300, but prices are going up.

I've spoken to the other half, and he said he's happy to consider a samoyed if the ones we meet are good enough. Can anyone recommend any in SA, or would you recomend one interstate that would be really worth flying a pup interstate for if the quality is that much better

I breeder's site i was looking at said you must be prepared for digging, barking and pulling on leashes.. That this is common and expected.

Even with training?

which sex do you prefer? why?

Is there a price difference male/female?

Does coat condition or volume change if being desexed.

Does coat stain after seasons? or are the girls generally good at keeping that clean?

What age are samoyeds generally puppies for?

Is Samoyed theft common?

Do pups need restricted play untill they are grown?

Hi

I havent been into this thread for a while. I thought I would just add a few things.

I breeder's site i was looking at said you must be prepared for digging, barking and pulling on leashes.. That this is common and expected.

Even with training?

Samoyeds are a very intelligent, active and alert dog. They do get board. If they are board, like most dogs, even humans, they will look to make there own fun, like digging, pulling up plants etc. If you have suitable toys, or even a play mate, they are fine. They will pull on leads, like any dog, it is just training that is neede. Basic obedience classes and puppy school is a good start, both for socialisation and obedience.

which sex do you prefer? why?

In all my years of showing and training Samoyeds, Bitches are smarter. Male dogs should be more masculine, be bigger and carry more coat, and of course bitches should be more femine. As for a reference, if I was to go onto trialing, I would pick a bitch over a dog.

I also find dogs are more sooker over bitches. As a pet probably a male dog, as they are sooker, they tend to drop coat once a year, while a bitch twice and they do not come into season. But desexing would fix that last point.

Is there a price difference male/female?

As the othere have said, no difference.

Does coat condition or volume change if being desexed.

Yes,

the coat becomes more longer and thicker, especially in bitches.

Does coat stain after seasons? or are the girls generally good at keeping that clean?

NO, Not generally. Staining will usually occur in a Sammy for three main reasons, sunburnt, and the two most common is from a heated Hairdryer, and urine stains.

Most girls will also keep themselves clean.

What age are samoyeds generally puppies for?

Until they die. A Sammy will generally mature between the age of 3 to 5 years. But even as an oldie, they still show signs of puppiness.

Is Samoyed theft common?

It can be. I am aware of a few Samoyeds that have been taken from their yards, and have experienced it with a puppy I sold to a lovely couple in Sydney, where a young man jumped the fence, threw the dog over then was dragging it down the street.

It was a mirickle that someone stopped and told the boy off, the boy let go of the dog and bolted.

They got her back.

Do pups need restricted play untill they are grown?

I would say yes, to a point. As a puppy they should just be a puppy, play and play. Play as a younster is enough for the growing joints in a puppy to handle. My advice is they should not be taken for long walks during their early stages, and should not be walking up and down stairs.

Icemist Samoyeds - 8th April (yet to be confirmed)

Confirmed Pregnancy

Icemist Samoyeds - 8th April (yet to be confirmed)

i also agree with Frzn Puppies might be hike but give them a call

Hi everyone.

Thanks for the recommendations.

I ended up deciding on going to Bowral vets Hospital.

It was a hard decission, and hopefully have made the right decission.

I meet with Karl this morning. He was very good. Put my mind at ease on a number of different issues. Showed me around the facility.

We had our first prog test done and she came back as 4.6. No where near ready which is what I expected.

We go back on monday.

I will keep you informed on how it all goes.

Hi,

I am looking to have a bitch inseminated with frozen semen.

Does anyone have any recommendations on Repro vets that do this in NSW and possible pregnency strike rates.

Hi,

Thanks for the tips.

My bitch hasn't hung around to come into season, and I have the semen ready to come up to NSW at anytime, I will start up a new tread, but cane any one in NSW recomend some that has a good stike rate at frozen semen implants.

Hi,

I am currently looking for any tips on increasing the fertility in one of my bitches. She has had 2 previous litters, one of 6 and one of 3.

I am looking at using frozen semen on her this time and would hopefully like to make her as fertile as possible before the insemination takes place.

Does anyone have any tips on what I can use?

I just took the plunge and after much debating over the past week, I picked out my little boy - he will be here on Thursday, cant wait

Congratulations on taking the plunge. You will have to put photos up for us to see your little boy.

Any name picked out for him?

Hi guys

I'm looking at purchasing a Samoyed in the next couple of weeks and have found this website very helpful!

Any advice you could offer me? I am a first time dog owner but have my heart set on a Samoyed - yes, i did actually contemplate a cross (designer??) breed, but fortunately I saw the light!

Does anyone know much about the various breeders? I have been in talks with Janoby Kennels as they have two litters ready to go in November.

Thanks in advance!

Julie

Hi Julie,

Welcome to the forums.

A Samoyed is a wonderful dog and a great companion.

If you want to contact me on my email, [email protected]

I can give you some more details on the breed.

[Does the ANKC and other controlling bodies within Australia allow and register puppies from a duel sired litter?

Hi,

Im back from computer problems (both work and at home) and being away on the weekend.

Thanks for everyone putting up information about liver shunts. My family and I have been in Samoyeds since the mid 70's, you still keep learning.

Thanks tkay for popping on board, you are welcome here anytime, and it good to hear you boy has done well after his op. It must have been a tough time you went through.

It is really good learning about the good things and problems within the breed we have and others.

I am very sceptical on whether shunt's are heriditary. One reason is that if we can not put a direct finger on a problem, 'it must be heriditary'.

Too many problems within many breeds that vets and so called experts can not figure out, the problems become heritary.

Is there only one in a litter or many breed from those parents?

How did Liver Shuts start! Who disciovered it?

What was the first dog to have one?

What were the circumstances behind that dog? Behind the parents? Inadicaute (spelling) poor feeding for example. the same with this generations dogs.

Enviromentalism.

How were the pups brought up?

Maybe a problem within the mothers milk?

Too many questions. Too many question to me to say it is heridiarty.

The more I find out about them, the more I think it is a developmental problem within pups, and it is maybe just a problem that will pop up, but I am no expert. I have very little knowledge about this subject, or other breeds with this particular problem.

But at the time being, I don't think this does not seem to be a lare factor in the Samoyed as it is with a lot of other breeds, not that we should close our eyes to it. It is something that we do need to keep an eye on.

But I do think it would be worth to have a register within our breed of Sammies who have these problems. This should be kept by the Australian Sammy Controlling body (not sure of the name - who looks after the national shows) to keep an eye on.

My two cents worth...

Here is Mishka, my Grand Champion.

and Mishka with one of her Babies

11. Are there any common hereditary problems a puppy buyer should be aware of?

Icemist wrote: "In Australia, Hip Displayia is the most common hereditary problem. Sensible breeders are aware of this and take steps in reducing the problem."

Fletcher, at 8 weeks, was tested for a portosystemic liver shunt. Most breeders in Victoria test for this. Do you know any more about it?

Liver Shunts - This is a good topic.

Until a couple of months ago, I has never heard of this in our breed, But it could be that most breeders never talked about it, or new about it until now.

Since then I have only heard about one case.

Some discussion pionts - (and more learning for myself)

What is liver shunts?

What are the symptoms?

Do most breeders test for this?

How do you know breeders test for this? Do you go on face value or is there some paper proof?

Is it really all that common within the breed?

What other breeds are know to have this problem?

Is it hereditary? If it is, is there any proof, or is hereditary just something just to blame it on?

Can something else cause this problem?

How do you test for Liver Shunts?

What age do you test?

Can it be cured?

Is there a Samoyed register that these dogs go onto?

Were only in a small forum, but lets education ourselves and others with the problems within our breed.

Icemist

Here's a photo of my young man Buster. He is 3 months of age when taken here.

My 4 year old son came up with his name.

The Samoyed scence in here is a bit quiet.

Does anyone have any photos they can put up of their Sammies.

Sammy RSR, did you find a friend for Lyra.