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I heard that the Baby Puppy of the Day was the Tibetan Terrier bred in Tassie My info was wrong - I have just heard it was baby on the day in group. The Sibe got baby of the day overall

Different dns - one site may direct to the other but they are different domains and both timing out. 202.125.43.4 - vca.org.au 223.252.37.130 - dogsvictoria.org.au

Website has been down for hours now. Both vca.org.au and dogsvictoria.org.au are down.

I don't show anymore either but like to check how friends have gone. Grp 7 results are usually pretty good if put up by Swayz but results were sadly lacking yesterday except for the hound BIG and R/U and R/U Grp 7. I would have like to have known who won BIG 7 but no use promoting someone else's win I guess

I agree, Could not believe the rudeness of the replies to the OP. No wonder the dog world is losing exhibitors.

You haven't said which show you are interested in. Whippet dog from Open Class went BIS at Bulla today. Another whippet dog from Open Class went RUBIG, as did my Schipperke Ziggy. CC Good on ya CC. :laugh: :laugh: I felt if the OP could not designate the show they must have not been that interested. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Grp 1 - BIG Pap - Rickard Grp 2 - BIG Cairn Terrier from Minor Puppy Class Gro 3 and BIS - English Setter - Bowie Gro 4 - Whippet - Adams?? Grp 5 Collie - Calstead Grp and R/U In Show - Akita - Higgins Grp 7 - Toy Poodle Garwey Knls. Aust Bred in Show

Can someone with a catalogue please tell me how many Pharaoh Hounds, Afghans, Rhodesian Ridgebacks and Beagles are entered please.

MOORABOOL Shire mayor Pat Griffin has lashed out a decision that has overridden council and allowed a puppy farm to operate in Ballan. Council and Barwon Water both rejected a proposal for the development of a 100 dog puppy farm last year, only to have their decision overturned by the Victorian Council and Administrative Tribunal during the week. The farm on Ballan-Geelong Road has been passed by VCAT, which will allow 50 dogs on the site - half that of the original application. Cr Griffin said it was "an outrageous decision", especially given there had been more than 1300 objections at the time in what is a relatively small shire. "I'm devastated. These people have no experience in breeding dogs but still VCAT has given them a chance to prove they can keep 50 of them, then they could get a further 50 dogs later down the track," he said. "But what if they do a bad job in looking after the dogs?" Cr Griffin said council would lobby the Planning Minister Matthew Guy and Premier Ted Baillieu, who spoke out strongly against unsatisfactory puppy farms when he was in opposition last year. There is even the option for the council to take the matter to the Supreme Court, although Cr Griffin said that drastic step was very much up in the air. "It is outrageous. VCAT appears to have completely brushed aside not only the decisions of two responsible authorities in Moorabool Shire Council and Barwon water, but also more than 1300 objectors," he said. "For an issue to receive more than 1300 objections from all over the place shows how opposed people are to it." Cr Griffin said the proposal did not comply with a range of guidelines including the animal keeping act, farming zones, noise limits and wastewater treatment and removal. Council rejected the application in July last year. The decision was appealed with VCAT, which started the hearing in February, before it was adjourned to the recent hearing.

See my profile says I am in Qld - how did that happen. I am in Ballarat!!!! Guess I should be grateful for that!!!

Just been up to grounds and they are fine - good surface and green grass. A few small puddles on the footpath Didn't check the car park but there were some cars parked on there and kids were playing soccer. Ballarat has not had the rain that Melbourne and areas north had. Most rain in Ballarat fell about 8.30 to 9.30pm last night in one huge deluge and after that just steady rain with no rain since 5.30am. None since so far and only high cloud. The BOM weather site shows Ballarat as getting up to 50mm today but the more reliable Elders site as it is updated more regularly says that we have an 80% chance of getting between 1 and 10mm today and a 5% chance of getting 1mm on Sunday with a temp of 17 degrees. It is about that temp today but the humidity is high 98% at 11.30am and 81% at 1pm. Hopefully less humid tomorrow. The BOM site predicts 'early showers' for tomorrow It is almost certain that the conditions at Ballarat will be much better than at the same show last year which really was a washout! If you can get out of your own town/suburb and can get to Ballarat safely then it should be a good show. Still - the way the weather bureau is hedging their bets - "no rain but then if a thunderstorm should form....." Your choice, but the grounds are good and Ballarat is dry today and forecast to be dry tomorrow

I think it is very sad that the responses to ladyrita are so anti-breeder. Unless you all know something that is being discussed privately how can you make the assumption that breeder is unethical. In my breed there are not many dna tests available. I have no problem with ladyrita questioning the health of a pup if she thought something was not right but she cannot expect answers to dna tests if none are done in the breed. Do you know the breed and if this is true? The media is so anti-breeder, vets are so anti purebred dog and generally do not have a high opinion of us dog breeders. The last place I would expect condemnation of a breeder without knowing all the facts and both sides of the story is on a Breeders' Community. Some of the responses to ladyrita were Personally I would be running a mile from this breeder. Run a mile from this one and think yourself lucky they are backing out of the sale. I am sorry to say Ladyrita that I dont think this is the first time the breeder has been like this. Unfortunately there is to many of these shonky breeders showing up (although they are still the minority of breeders) and it is giving genuine ethical breeders a bad name. I hope you get your deposit back but unfortunately I doubt this man will be generous given what you have already told us. I totally understand that you did not realise that the breeder was not ethical or reputable, but you now know a few of the things to look out for. Unfortunately being registered does not always mean being ethical. This discussion became a character assassination of a registered breeder. It has been presumed he is shonky, he won't give the deposit back, he is unethical and not reputable. We have only heard one side of the story and it was an emotional one. It is NOT UNETHICAL for a breeder to refuse to proceed with a sale if the buyer is not happy. Ladyrita clearly was not happy with the puppy or the answers she received to her questions. It is very sad that breeders are so quick to presume that their peers are not as good or ethical breeders as themselves. I am not saying that the breeder should have been defended - I am just saying the breeder should not have been condemned and insulted without us knowing both sides of the story. Simply giving answers to ladyrita's questions and leaving out all assumptions would have been more in order. Some of the responses did nothing but gee up ladyrita's emotions until the whole tone of the thread was allowed to deteriorate to ladyrita calling the breeder a horrible troll of a man

Whoa there - how can you say I DELIBERATELY left out the bit about the pup being inactive at 6 weeks. Why should I do that!!!!!!! I have not seen the pup. As I said, none of us have - have you? I made the point that none of us know if the pup is ill, good, bad or indifferent. My point is that the purchaser did not buy a sick pup, did not take home a 7 weeks old pup. I cannot imagine why they are inconsolable that the breeder refused to sell them the pup. They say for no good reason yet it appears that they did not want the pup - why would they want a pup they thought was ill? I would not want to buy a pup I thought was not well - at least without a vet check. You say "the breeder became defensive NOT because the purchaser had doubts, but because of the questions in regards to health of the pups" - well the doubts were apparently about the health of the pup. What did the purchaser want? Did they want to buy a pup they thought was ill? Did they want to buy a pup they thought had a temperament problem? Why didn't they ask about health tests BEFORE paying a deposit. What if the breeder had INSISTED that they take the pup? What would we be discussing then????? If I go into a shop to buy something and then find it has a flaw or doesn't suit my needs and I get my money back I am VERY HAPPY! The pup is the most important thing to me as a breeder - to make sure that the pup goes to someone who is going to be happy with it. This is a BREEDERS community and I thought that to post on this you had to have bred a litter and be a member of a controlling body yet it appears the original post was not from a breeder? They have every right to ask questions of a breeder and to query the health of a puppy but shouldn't we breeders be asking ourselves if we proceed with a sale to someone who was not happy with the puppy? I am afraid if you could answer 'yes' to that then it would be against all the ethics of being a responsible breeder.

Why would you be inconsolable about not getting a puppy you thought was very ill. It seems you were very unhappy with both the temperament of the puppy, the health of the puppy and the fact that it was not dna tested. You were right to ask questions about health tests etc - but BEFORE you committed to buy the pup!!!! It is not possible to dna test for all genetic problems in any breed. If it is a rare breed as you claim it may be that dna tests are not available yet for some of the problems. Questions about genetic testing should be done before you pay a deposit and if you don't like the answers you don't pay a deposit. If I was in your situation I would be happy that the breeder returned your deposit. I can understand your disappointment but it seems as though you gave the breeder every indication that you were not happy with the pup and no responsible breeder will sell to anyone who is not 100% enthusiastic about taking the pup. As breeders it seems we have been quick to condemn the breeder without being able to hear the other side of the story. I wonder how many of us would have been happy to proceed with a sale where the buyer clearly had doubts. If we don't know who the breeder is or have not heard their side of the story how can we claim they are unethical, not responsible etc. "Our first visit and having not known us very well, he took our deposit and promised us a puppy" As a breeder I got to know some of my puppy buyers very well and they have become lifelong friends but I did not know any of them very well at the time they first visited to look at a puppy. Of course the breeder took a deposit. We all take deposits because we need some security if we are going to turn away other buyers. 2 weeks ago we made the 2 hour drive there to visit the puppy but he was still very very small (4.5 weeks old) and wasn't very active. We decided to wait until he was a little more mature. Last Thursday we went to visit the pup again (he'd be around 6 weeks old). Many breeders do not want to be bothered with people making visits - you were lucky that the breeder allowed you to do this. At 4.5 weeks old of course he was going to be very small and not all that active. You decided to wait until he was a little more mature - for what? This discussion has condemned the breeder for letting the puppy go at 7 weeks - yet you say The breeder also seemed to be wanting us to pick him up the following week . SEEMED - not SAID. Your opinion that the puppy sounded really sick was founded on advice from forums, vets, friends, other breeders - none of whom had seen the pup. You would have been better to have asked the breeder for a vet check to reassure yourself about the health of the pup. Further down in the initial posting the 'strange gunk coming out of the eyes' has changed to 'tearing/leaking". None of us know if the pup is sick, good, bad or indifferent or who the breeder is or whether they are good, bad or indifferent. It is sad that a "Breeders' Community' is so quick to condemn a breeder. A sick puppy was not sold. A seven week old puppy was not sold. Who says, apart from the disappointed purchaser, that the sale was terminated because questions were asked. The deposit was refunded to a buyer who had doubts about the puppy. Nobody would be taking a puppy home from me unless they were absolutely 100% enthusiastic about the puppy. Better to refund a deposit than have a puppy changing homes or an unhappy buyer. As a breeder what would you have done - insisted the sale proceed?