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Here is the link for anyone who might be interested .

https://m.facebook.com/415228738667531/photos/a.415230772000661.1073741827.415228738667531/415846188605786/?type=1&source=44&refid=17

Not sure Little Gifts . I have only been out there twice .

I've seen that pic and I still can't see facial wounds??? The dogs face appears to be wet, there is what appears to be saliva near the corner of the mouth and there is what appears to some red colouring under the fur but I cannot see any wounds. Am I blind?

You're right. I saw the red near the eye and on the ears as a sign that perhaps there was some damage in those areas consistent with a dog fight but like you I can only see one actual puncture near the groin area. If they are wounds on the face they are certainly not fatal looking and more like grazes. A lot of blood seems to be pooling under the chin area so I assumed if it was a dog attack (and I'm still not sure about that) then the fatal wounds were shielded from view and on the underside or other side of the dog.

However it happened it is sad that it died from some kind of trauma.

Cryptic, do you have a rough idea of how many dogs and cats they might generally have impounded at any given time? And do you have any idea of how much time the ranger might spend there on a daily basis? Is his office there? Does he do his paperwork there or at council chambers or at the refuse office? I guess I was just thinking that if there are only ever a small handful of impounded animals (ie under 10) then cleaning and feeding would not take up a significant amount of time if they needed a volunteer or to hire a casual to do it. One of my ongoing concerns has been around injured, old, very young or whelping animals being left without monitoring for extended periods of time, particularly as it does get down around freezing in that area. I sincerely hope the investigation might open council up to looking at a better way of managing this facility, possibly doing some upgrades and definitely recruiting volunteers to do the work paid staff can't. And if nothing changes I hope residents who have genuine concerns will continue to keep social media informed until public pressure forces the council's hand.

I moved to Cowra a year ago. Also a rescuer of 5 years ... .I rescue from Dubbo City Animal Shelter and Renbury Farm . Costly getting transport however the local pound was not interested in working with my rescue when I politely offered they said that the animals nearly all get homes. Why are people saying that the behaviour of rescue has been appalling and we have attacked and criticised council ? I have never seen a rescue criticise the ranger or council only members of the general public on Facebook.

There are huge problems with this pound . Saw the Kelpie in the breezeway around 3 weeks before the incident and wondered why he was there and thought it must have been to keep people away from the dogs behind him ? Had heard from a friend who was dumping off waste at the tip there was an old sick Foxie out there lying on the concrete hardly moving and I went to check as I knew that the pound was unattended and was worried . Didn't see the Foxie it was not there.

I am glad this has come to light and that the general public can access the pound during tip opening hours otherwise it would have never been exposed . The conditions are not satisfactory especially for older animals and puppies . The holding cages are open at both ends and they spend 48 hours quarantine before being placed in the runs. My dogs would die overnight in winter in these conditions.

I cannot believe anyone can say that the conditions are satisfactory I guess we all have different standards .

The local country pound in my area does not desex the dogs before they are re- homed . They are free to good homes .

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This is country NSW & town has a population of approximately 12000 .

With country pounds some desex and some don't . Just like some work with rescue and some do not . It really can depend on the mindset of the local community and their ideals on animal welfare. They are the ones to bring about positive change .

I don't blame you for not wanting to give the former owner constant updates Jane .They have failed miserably in their duty of care to this gorgeous little soul .

It was her lucky day when she came to you . Thank goodness you were contacted .

I shall look forward to seeing her shine in your capable care.

My Chihuahua x has had both eyes repaired . She had the second eye done 3 days ago.

I have also had 2 foster dogs in the past with cherry eye and had them repaired as well.

They had it stitched into position not removed. There is a chance it may fail later on however I did not want to risk dry eye further down the track .

Sometimes the condition is not apparent when puppies as my little Chi was born here and hers was not visible till around 12 months.

The cost of her surgery was $400 which included a full blood profile. $1000 seems a bit expensive .

No problem DD was just saying that SAR is not affiliated with this organisation.

I think it was just a tangent cryptic. :)

I should have said they aren't connected in my post re Starfish but didn't want to speak for her and am pretty sure it wasn't meant like that.

That's ok Powerlegs . I was actually not referring to your post . I should have replied direct to DD . Sorry for the confusion.

Spoke with the person from Starfish Animal Rescue at Baulkham Hills this morning and mentioned this thread. She was a bit surprised that they have been mentioned as they have no connection with this organisation.

They don't have to have anything to do with the organisation :) . I was just scrolling through the photos and stories and saw this one:

We first met Andi 'on line', loved her profile and arranged to meet her in person at the Starfish Animal Rescue in Baulkham Hills, Sydney. We went for a beautiful walk together and it was love at first sight! Andi moved in with us that same day! She is adored by all our family and someone's loss was definitely our family's gain (especially for 84 year old Beryl, who is pictured here with Andi). It is inconceivable to think of buying a dog from a pet shop or breeder when there's little ones like Andi in shelters around the country just waiting to love and be loved.

Have already read this story about Andi so has Starfish.

I had never heard of the Starfish Animal Rescue so I enquired about it. No agenda or mystery, just interest as I am not far from Baulkham Hills.

You have now.

ETA: You might like to get back to them to tell them that one of "their" dogs has been featured and it is a beautiful photograph of the dog and an elderly loving human :)

No need to she already knows.

Spoke with the person from Starfish Animal Rescue at Baulkham Hills this morning and mentioned this thread. She was a bit surprised that they have been mentioned as they have no connection with this organisation.

Some rescues will use Facebook as a tool to get them noticed. They crave the attention and will stop at nothing to obtain their daily fix of adulation. Even stooping to naming and shaming other rescues who disagree with their point of view . They play the victim but in fact they are nothing but attention seeking bullies .

I have just re-homed 2 seniors and another is on hold for adoption.

One a Chihuahua female was in very bad shape when first into care back in January . She was anemic and has a heart murmur. She had her desexing and dental 10 days ago. Her teeth were in pretty good condition though only requiring a scale and polish.

All my seniors have found homes through Facebook Very little if any interest from petrescue .

Agree about the expense of taking on seniors . They always need dentals 9 times out of 10 which does deplete the funds rather quickly.

Dogmad your Taz had 8 months of pure bliss . I know her story well and she won the lottery the day you took her from that vile home.

That's great you had so many enquiries for your lovely senior Rottweiler Burkes. They do seem a popular breed. . Very nice dogs mine was 10 when she developed bone cancer which seems common is this breed.

My experience is quite the opposite with the popularity of my senior fosters. When I commit to them I know that 6 to 12 months in care is the norm. The longest took a year to find a suitable home the shortest 3 months . Not complaining about that fact though they have a special quality that makes them so easy to have in care.

There are a lot of older dogs looking for homes at the moment. I have 3 seniors in care. all 3 of them from the pound.

Two of the dogs were lifetime registered with council , microchipped and one of them desexed. Owners contacted but do not come and get their dogs???

The ones with disabilities or so old they are almost on deaths door seem to be very popular with adopters. The healthy ones with a few years left are very hard to rehome . I don't understand that one either.

Hoping these 2 dogs find a lovely retirement home together . They sound adorable.

If they had of done a temp test on the dog I have newly into care he would have been pts due to his behaviour he was exhibiting while impounded.

Then on the other hand perhaps if they temp tested a certain dog from a year ago who killed my ex foster dog in his forever home this may have been avoided.

Very mixed feelings on this .

The story about Loxy was very interesting and also so sad.

I had tears in my eyes when I saw that beautiful photo of her all grown up in your arms Kirty.

I am very sorry you were placed in the position you were and I can only imagine how hard it would have been to pts a young, healthy, animal that you had nurtured from a baby .

Thank you for sharing her journey and providing some great insight into the subject of which this thread is about.

One of my ex foster dogs was bitten by a brown snake yesterday. Despite a mercy dash to the vets it was too late . This was in the Wagga area .Zita was only small around 4 kg and only 18 months old .

Have heard of quite a few dogs being bitten by snakes lately One person lost 3 of her dogs to snake bite around 2 weeks apart.

I am on rural property and totally paranoid about the dogs getting bitten. My Jack cross of 13 years was bitten by a snake back in August.2002 She responded to treatment luckily.

Agreed Sheridan.. They do need to find out a bit more about how rescue works :)

I am neither for or against the concept.It is not one I am familiar with. I felt it would work better with a large ethical rescue organisation who can guide them in the right direction. One geographically placed close to the shop if possible . There are quite a few rescues over that way.

I was approached by pm on Facebook by them. They wanted to form a partnership with my small rescue I declined. Has anyone else on here been contacted ? Yes dogs in shop all day with walks four times a day and go home with her or a foster carer at night.. They want to be responsible for the re-homing of the dog.

I think this thread is incredibly important as I was having the most horrible time being harassed by a Rescue because I disclosed to a Pet rehoming website that the dog was being Falsely advertised and was dangerous. I witnessed this dog bite numerous people and attack other dogs with 2 victims needing stitches. The dog was being advertised as a bit nipppy becasue it was a puppy } I provided the evidence and the paper work that we had provided to the local council to have the dog listed as dangerous even though it had been removed some time ago from a friends care. The dog was delisted along with a second dog we said was severly dog agressive as we had done the transport for this dog and it wanted to rip every other dogs face off. The reason I left this rescue was that it was rehoming "cute" dogs with serious problems and not disclosing things like the dogs had had serious illness like Parvo or head injuries etc. One dog had had pnuemonia and had a servely decreased lung capacity and the new family had adopted it to take trail riding . The dog is as sensitive as a pug and the new family were incredibly distressed that they may have almost unintentionally killed their dog because of his decreased lung capacity! Rescues that don't temprement test before placing in foster care are BIG trouble as they are putting people at risk amd problems are only found out once something BAD happens and not before. Full disclosure of hea;th and temprement is essential for the long term welfare of the adoptees and the dog!

Good on you for exposing them for non disclosure and lies. I think this goes on a lot more than we think.

I find that just talking with prospective adopters tends to give a much better idea than any application form process.

I've looked at a few adoption application forms out there, and have found many of them to be somewhat intrusive and can be daunting for prospective adopters - that's why we don't have a form, but ask people to actually call us about any dog they may be interested in.

We seem to be able to find decent and permanent homes for most of our charges (very few returns) with our procedures/processes.

Sure, we get our fair share of people who may not be suited to the particular dog they are calling about, but we can suggest/show to them other dogs that may be a better fit. It's fairly rare that we get a potential adopter that isn't suited to any dog available - but we have knocked back one or two who really would have been suited to a stuffed toy instead of a real dog... *grin*

The trick is in the communication and time spent making sure of the adopter's expectations - then matching them to a dog that they can live with. If you don't have the time to talk to adopters, and are using an adoption form to "weed out timewasters", then maybe a rethink of how much workload you are taking on is in order.

A big part of rescue is about communication - if you don't have any people skills at all, then you really aren't going to get far.

T.

Agree totally with this.

If a rescue is knocking back all fulltime workers as being unsuitable to adopt from them I would assume it is because they are adopting out dogs prone to separation anxiety and have no idea how to avoid it other than putting dogs in homes where people are usually home. A good rescue should be able to match a well- adjusted dog with people that work full time, and to know what sort of homes would suit their different dogs.

Unless it is a breed where demand outstrips supply in which case the dog will go to the family that most impresses the rescue. Good homes may miss out and that is no reflection on them.

I don't think dogs with true "separation anxiety" or any dogs that are showing signs of being likely to be affected by it, are suitable candidates for adoption.

I know of dog affected by severe SA that was rehomed to a family where the parents worked from home. Sounds good in theory but now the poor family has to organise their lives around the dog, who cannot even be left on its own for 15 mins without self-harming and extremely destructive behaviour

Surely it sounds better to say something like "even though we know you could offer an excellent home, xxx family was able to offer company to the dog all day so we felt the dog would be better suited to them" rather than "you cant have this dog because you work full time"

And what options do you suggest for the dogs showing signs of or having true seperation anxiety if they are not candidates for adoption.

Have been reading a facebook page called PR beware which was formed not long after this thread was started. back in May. There was talk of it starting up contained in one of the pages on this thread.. .

This page has a ex PR volunteer who was high up the chain in this organisation working alongside the person or persons in charge commenting away and extolling her virtues. This CA person is no longer with PR and is now playing Judas Have no idea what happened there and am not really interested. She blocked me as she did not like what my response was to her barrage back in May. I had no idea she was so prominant on there till today when i used my friends computer who was logged onto facebook. I was shocked in one way but kind of amused in the other. She even has a post on there as well. She seems quite respected on this FB page which confuses me a little!!

This CA person is the same person who privately messaged me in a very threatening manner on FB when i asked the foster carer via pm why the dog which this thread is about was being advertised as good with every creature that had a pulse. When in fact this was not the case and they knew it.

This CA tried every trick in the book to intimidate me. Stooping to even very nasty personal insults regarding my feelings for dogs..The contact was initiated by her and was nothing short of disgusting and not only did she contact me to try and intimidate me she also contacted the dead dogs owners sister as well at the same time. and treated her in a similar manner. All of the correspondence from these conversations were in writing.and have been kept.

Last reports regarding Cookie is that she is back in kennels. Her home in Victoria did not work out apparently. That is not surprising if true. Because there seems to be transparency issues with these brokers/rescue very hard to confirm.

Are the Petrescue listings going to the trading post any more? Just a thought...

T.

Apart from getting the odd random enquiry from the Trading Post for dogs that were re-homed a year ago.i have never had a dog adopted from a trading post enquiry. Not sure what other experience other rescuers have had with the TP but mine are very average. .