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And what about the ad that claims milking cows is like rape?

But it is best to know your enemy, how many members of this organisation are there? Are they a large enough minority to change legislation, swing more public opinion against people like us who breed/show dogs. It is always interesting to hear how others think, if us pro dog people did not hear these comments we would be blindly going about our business just like when tail docking was targetted, and find things changing around us, too late to stop it.

My working dog is scared of the feed bowls. Look out if one moves when he grabs out the chicken carcass! And if I dare to pick an empty bowl up while he is on lead in my other hand, he does not know which way to run first.

Someone says it is the shiny distorted reflection of his own face in the bottom that scares him, so now he gets a white enamel bowl.

Hope he is happier with that!

I have used Bonnie working dog for years, more than happy with it.

I have tried several premium brands over the years without much difference.

If I am trying to put weight on a dog I switch from Working Dog to Puppy.

How long does it take for them to recognize a new breed?

A new breed can be recognised in a few generations, there is other criteria also, such as breed clubs and forming a draft standard. Does anyone know the facts?

Ah grumpette, I love seeing your dogs.. Just awesome...

i LOVED THEM TOO!

Perhaps they think it makes them more legitimate. I know very little about them, and I care less. Debra Tranter from Animals Australia (Animal Lib) is RIGHT on their case, which signals they are not all sweetness and light

I doubt they are going for ANKC registration, and cobbadog is only another way of spelling labradoodle i think.

Cobbadog is about the silliest name for a breed. But I recall recently in the canine gazette that there would be no ANKC registration of new breeds made up of 2 different breeds with a mixed breed name and no specific purpose. Which I took to mean designer dogs like the Labradoodle. Is that why the change to Cobbadog? I have spoken to Labradoodle owners who are fully of the idea that shortly the ANKC will have no choice but to make them a registered breed, as they are so many generations along.

That's so moving

Do you know more about what happened? I hope the dog has someone to love him.

I don't know about the origins of the video, the circumstances or what happened to the dog, despite enploying heavy use of google.

ETA: On a lighter note, google pointed me to several other stories of canine loyalty after their owner's death and in amongst those was a single link regarding a cat: "Cat eats deceased owner".

Does this end the cat vs dog debate? :laugh:

Love your style!

Ok I think some peoples responses here are a little emotive, but I have also received some pretty good advice here too.

Initially the fights were occasionally, once I realized it was totally out of control- the dogs were separated. Each time they thought they received medical attention. Obviously I had hoped to be able to stop the fighting, but this did not work out.

In regards to getting rid of the Labrador, this has nothing to do with my love for either dog. I love the Labrador more, as I have owned him more, but I have also formed a bond with Neapolitan, and love him too. Besides the bad stuff you have heard about the Neo, he is otherwise a FANTASTIC, placid dog. He has NEVER been out of control EXCEPT immediately around the time of fighting with the other dog.

My decision to get rid of the Labrador is not final, indeed I am now leaning towards keeping both dogs, but enhancing my property so that I can be absolutely certain no "accidents" will occur (the dogs getting at each other).

The reason I chose the Labrador was based on dispassionate logic. The Labrador is mostly a family type dog (besides its tendency to food guard). I think it is easier to place a Labrador with a loving family than find the right sort of assertive owner for a Neapolitan, as because people may have the wrong motive for getting such a dog. Also the Labrador is TOTALLY non-aggressive to humans, except when food guarding and he doesn't like people touching his injuries.

I would never give away the Labrador unless I was CERTAIN he was going to a great home, in such circumstances I don't have a major problem giving up the dog, though of course I would miss him.

But as I said, I'm not leaning that way at the moment. I'll talk to Mark before deciding.

One last thing for the Lab lovers, the Lab is treated BETTER than the Neo. I allow the Lab inside and he is inside most of the time, whereas the Neo stays outside the majority of the time.

I treat my dogs very well, how many of you feed your dogs a diet based mostly on human grade meat?

Edit: I also wanted to add why Neo's are my favorite type of dog. Believe it or not my 2nd favorite type of dogs are Labradors.

Neo's are large. I am a very large man myself (125kg), I just like large dogs- I think they suit me.

Neo's are generally quite lazy and placid and require minimal exercise. Indeed they like nothing more than sitting around near their owner lazing and have low energy levels. I am quite lazy myself (except when it comes to caring for my dogs), and these attributes are very appealing to me. I am a slow paced sort of person.

Neo's don't bark very much: Dogs that bark excessively really get on my nerves. Indeed my Labrador barks a lot more than my Neo.

I know the look is not for everyone, but I absolutely love the look of the Neo's- to me they are the most beautiful of all dogs, yes I know many other people prefer other dogs, but this is my preference.

I love the unique way they walk.

I love their long, wrinkled skin.

I love the grunting and other funny noises that they make. I even love the fact my Neo snores loudly.

I like the strong, assertive temperaments of the Neo.

Also as a secondary consideration to getting a companion, I personally want a dog that is able to protect me if it is absolutely necessary. I absolutely believe if somebody attacked me aggressively my Neo would intervene, yet he is very placid around people in normal circumstances, as I make an effort to extensively socialize him with people. Many people pat him on my walks with him, and he is totally friendly. Indeed almost every walk somebody pats him. The other part of him protecting me is that he is a great deterrence, I doubt almost anybody would think of hurting me when that dog is around, he looks very powerful. You might say this is a stupid reason, but I have been a victim of a violent crime, and I live in probably the highest crime neighborhoods in my state, as well as one of the most socioeconomically disadvantaged. My Neo makes me feel very secure, but I certainly NEVER encourage aggression in my Neo, he has natural guarding instincts that do not need fueling.

Why am I not surprised you live in this type of area and have this type of dog?

Sorry, but I'm not going to give you any sympathy. You want a right royal kick in the arse. You knew these two did not get along and yet you continued to leave them in the same space. Ever heard of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted? That is exactly what you have done.

And men and their "oh shit...something happened and I was wrong and it's out of my control so I'll go around, yelling and swearing and punching things 'cos I'm a bloke. It scares small children, it scares animals, it f'en scares everyone. Oh but it did make you feel better didn't it so it's okay to do that? I've lived with blokes who punch holes in doors because guess what...shit happens, so it's a good reason to go off.

Who needs the behavourist anyway man or beast?

I'm not one to let fly usually but this time my blood is boiling. You created a most stupid scenario and all because you were running late for court, let me guess, for doing something else completely stupid. (My apologies if you were the magistrate or the barrister. ) :rolleyes:

Arrrrggghhh...men.

It's okay I think I just spontaneously combusted.

Another reason I have nearly stopped breeding pupppies, further proof people are stupid. First the breeder has sold an entire male to a person already with an entire male (I know breeders who have done this). And what is with the owner flying off the handle and punching and kicking things? Glad he is not my boyfriend/husband he is just not able to handle stress. And why leave them together after the first fight???

I had a discussion recently with a person who is running together 5 dogs, male and female of a dominant breed. I told him without a doubt that when the 3 younger ones get a bit older something will trigger a fight. It may be a bone, a bitch coming into season or simply rushing for a pat first. His response was that it will not happen. Does he think my 30 years experience in the breed count for nothing? I have seen dog fights, and have tried to seperate fighting dogs. An experience I never want to repeat. Never do I put males older than 4 or 5 months of age together, or even where they can get to each other through the wire/fence etc. OMG now I am ranting!

The last thing a "WORKING" breed needs is a central registry or KC recognition as all breeds who have been down this path have been ruined forever from their original purpose. Working breeds like the red barb, black barb, other native herding breeds and more recently the Patterdale Terrier have survived in their original form in Australia without a registry because they have always been kept by enthusiasts who work their animals for their original purpose like the Mareetsane and the Boergreyhound has been in South Africa. All anyone needs to do to aquire one of these rare working breeds to show as much enthusiasm as the people who continue to breed these dogs rather than wait for that owl to arrive.

oh Dear! who told you all this?

further proof that the general public believes whatever they are told as long as the teller appears to know and can spout out the knowledge in an apparently educated manner.

And hunting dogs bred in Australia before working dogs? Plenty of documented proof on the working dogs, so should be able to find plenty on the hunting dog history.

I think sometimes people forget their medication in the mornings.

Hi all.

I am in southern Tasmania and we are looking for a Red and Tan Male for our girl Jazz. I'm not having much luck so far and would appreciate if anyone here could point me in the right direction. Cheers

Not many around, you will find plenty of red, but with tan is much more difficult to find. Kelpie breeders in Tasmania very limited. Have you thought about the mainland?

yes a Skip would be a good choice.

how about a Kelpie? love people, short coat and generally good with the chooks

Cattle Dog needs a little more chook training but still a good robust choice

I have had:

1 I need to return the puppy I bought off you 2 weeks ago as I need the money to pay my car registration.

2 It is digging up my prize rose bushes, (9 weeks old)

3 I am scared of it when as no matter how many times I kick it with my steel cap work boots it still only comes to my wife and kids and not me.

The red and chocolate are different. sometimes the red is a good red, sometimes a poor red, same with chocolate. The coat changes dramatically with change of season/coat, and how much sun the Kelpie is exposed too. The red coat is the hardest to keep in top condition.

I have one of each and when both are in good coat the difference is obvious. Not so obvious when the dogs are not togther. When the bitch is dropping coat due to the weather or being in season, she looks a lighter chocolate which could be mistaken for red.

The biggest thing to keep the coat the correct colour is to keep the harsh sun off them, most show Keplies are only run out early morning and late evening/night time.

I have a very expensive twin tank bath with heater. I like to drag it out on sunny days and run the waste water onto the grass. The opening is on the same side as the door and where the ramp sits. I would prefer if on the other side so the dogs goes back down the ramp and does not have to avoid the dirty water.

That is awful! How devastating.

How could it happen, I thought once the cars were on board they wouldn't be running. Would there still have been fumes in the air?

Unless things have change on the Spirit, you may leave your dogs in your custom built dog trailer if you have a signed letter from a vet saying it is suitable for that purpose. Or you can leave dogs in the provided dog trolleys, which are quite good and there are many of them, (do car leavers need the same vet letter?). Dogs were generaly left near the back doors for additional air flow. I have been downstairs at night on the Spirit and it is hot. The cars once parked on board are NOT MOVED, you have your own keys and lock your car. Only you can move the car in the morning to disembark. There have been many reports of dog deaths that I am aware of since dogs have been allowed to be left in cars. Us Tasmanian's who travel often on the Spirit, wonder if the issue is a heat issue rather than a carbon one? A terrible tragedy, one that none of us want to share. My heart goes out to the owner and a hard lesson learnt. Perhpas the Spirit needs to go back to the one rule for everyone, all pets go in the dog trolleys provided. The bonus for us is that if the dog has an upset tummy during the trip, the mess is not in our cars or trailers.

In saying all the above I and many friends have travelled several times on the Spirit both old and new and never had any issue at all. The staff have been helpful and caring and the process on going on and off is very quick.

is no different to what happened in Nazi Germany between 1930 and 1945 where Nazi's did the same in searching homes for people.

Excuse me?

It is nothing like what Hitler's regime did . Nothing.

No it is nothing like Hitler did, but this could be seen as simply the thin end of the wedge. Seize and destroy a breed, then extend that to more breeds then ban dog shows as they are considered ridiculous by many, then start on cats who kill the wild life, and how about poker machines, I am for that, they ruin peoples lives. We live in a free country and people are able to make choices, and sometimes we do not agree with their choices. And the same people who do not adhere to our current laws will continue to do just that regardless of any new dog laws. In addition in case people read this as an ok to the Hitler comment, I am just trying to point out that on screen things may not be read as meant originally.

A 13 year old Stumpy, still fighting fit runs the yard and looks about 6, hope another 10 years to go! Several Cattle Dogs at 10 years old.

To be honest I suspect the lower media coverage is because she was bitten on the ankle and had some 'scratches' - she wasn't killed like the story last week so it is (quite legitimately) a smaller story.

I suspect if it were not for last week's fatality, this attack wouldn't have made the news at all.

After last week, any dog attack will be news for a while because readers are sensitive about the issue.

Was it really an áttack', the lady was 77 and able to fend of two GSD with 1 bite and scratches. It might just be more media hysteria.

Let's also clarify.... They are not an already banned breed, they are a restricted breed.

I'm still undecided as to my position on this. No easy solution, and to hear Karl Stefanovic repeatedly mention cattle dogs this morning made me unsettled.

Also, the above argument somewhere that BSL popularized the breed is not the whole argument, what made them popular was/ is the American tough guy attitude some Aussies aspire to.

Well the heat has certainly gone off the 'Bluey', I always thought it would have been the first banned/restricted breed.

And many dogs bite, many are not excercised or socialised, and many people would not realise their dog is capable under many different circumstances of biting. Jail the owners, things might change a little then.

I was walking my dog once on a bush track, a dog ran towards me out of the bush, it certainly gave me a scare and stopped and gave us the eye. A minute later the owner came around the corner and said 'ít is ok he will not hurt you' I reply 'how do I know that'. Further proof people are inconsiderate and self absorbed.

Wow. What a great ambassador for dog ownership you are.

I was just thinking the exact same thing raz...there was no need to be so rude to the lady, I'm sure she was just being concerned for the health of your puppy.

Yes, BM. It's a great opportunity to turn around and talk to people about pet ownership but I question why this person gets stopped so often and asked if the pup is vax'd. sounds like total bullshit to me - either that or the puppy is just too young to be out. Why else would people keep asking?

Yes a very rude reponse, but as dog owners it is up to us to educate the 'general public' not further encourage the idea that all dog people are rabid. Maybe the dog owner was just having a bad day.

Simply easier to get rid of the dog. No expense building a dog pen or fencing, and wait you could get another dog and see how that one goes. Welcome to the consumer society throw out anything that wears out its welcome, or becomes difficult. (Am I being too cynical?)

Leave the old girl alone, the dogs are only little, and she looks a few roo's short in the top paddock.

Is the $25 grand so she can rotate dogs from home to kennels?

I have an acquaintance on facebook whose dog is facing surgery. She messaged me for advice because she says she simply can't afford to pay for it and for reasons she can't go into, cannot loan the money. She said she may have to euthanize him instead.

Couple of weeks later, facebook status update is about her upgrading to the newest android phone and getting her first tablet PC :rolleyes: So I added a comment in that status asking how her dog is. In circumstances like these, yes I truly believe the dog should come before the person!!!! While her dog is in pain and faces death, she is getting herself new phones and computers when she's allegedly broke. I don't approve at all

They should be deleted from the 'friend' list. I could not even pretent to like someone who did this.

I knew someone (a friend of a friend) that built a new home and decided that the new yard was not suitable for their dog so they had to get rid of it. They choose the land and house - so wouldn't you make it be suitable??

We took the dog as a trial - but it did not work out. The owners did not leave us a contact number, call and ask how he was going, or thank us for trying. These people stock went down in my book.

The good news is the dog found a great home.

They probably went out a bought a more 'suitable' dog for their new yard